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kermit
package
the
actual
package
not
yes
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of
kansas
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tisl
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originator
srini
erlang
lines
anyone
have
any
info
on
the
video
sound
card
from
sigma
designs
it
is
called
win
storm
pc
they
also
have
another
card
called
the
legend
lx
any
info
would
be
appreciated
incuding
performance
pricing
and
availability
thanks
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hpwala
wal
hp
com
chrisa
hpwarr
hp
com
chris
almy
writes
doublespace
although
do
not
trust
it
for
my
hard
disks
sounds
great
for
floppies
the
thouoght
of
having
to
mount
the
disk
is
anoying
but
something
can
deal
with
the
problem
arises
when
under
windows
is
there
way
to
mount
and
unmount
while
under
windows
or
is
this
part
of
the
upgrades
soon
to
be
available
from
other
vendors
chris
can
see
why
you
would
not
trust
it
because
it
is
safer
than
any
previous
compression
programs
it
integrates
into
the
kernal
and
makes
it
nearly
impossible
to
delete
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au
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gellert
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re
why
is
my
mouse
so
jumpy
ms
mouse
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com
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lister
subject
re
why
is
my
mouse
so
jumpy
ms
mouse
date
fri
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gmt
ecktons
ucs
byu
edu
sean
eckton
writes
have
microsoft
serial
mouse
and
am
using
mouse
com
was
using
think
but
switched
to
to
see
if
it
was
any
better
vertical
motion
is
nice
and
smooth
but
horizontal
motion
is
so
bad
sometimes
can
click
on
something
because
my
mouse
jumps
around
can
be
moving
the
mouse
to
the
right
with
relatively
uniform
motion
and
the
mouse
will
move
smoothly
for
bit
then
jump
to
the
right
then
move
smoothly
for
bit
then
jump
again
maybe
this
time
to
the
left
about
inch
this
is
crazy
have
never
had
so
much
trouble
with
mouse
before
anyone
have
any
solutions
does
microsoft
think
they
are
what
everyone
should
be
just
venting
steam
ve
seen
this
problem
several
times
it
was
always
the
result
of
the
little
rollers
inside
the
mouse
becomming
dirty
they
are
good
at
collecting
grime
the
solution
is
simple
remove
the
ball
to
reveal
the
two
rollers
carefully
clean
them
and
the
ball
dennis
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galileo
cc
rochester
edu
ub
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ohio
state
edu
cs
utexas
edu
uunet
world
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from
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world
std
com
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schlatter
subject
re
dos
window
macros
message
id
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std
com
organization
the
world
public
access
unix
brookline
ma
references
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tb
sunfish
usd
edu
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newshost
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edu
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date
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lines
in
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stanford
edu
herrod
cs
stanford
edu
stephen
herrod
writes
does
anyone
know
program
that
will
record
keyboard
sequences
that
do
in
windowed
dos
box
would
like
to
have
something
that
starts
telnet
program
and
then
logs
me
into
my
accounts
windows
recorder
doesn
seem
to
be
able
to
record
the
key
sequences
thanks
steve
think
you
would
need
dos
macro
program
superkey
by
borland
comes
to
mind
don
think
windows
is
capable
of
sending
keystrokes
to
dos
window
what
you
want
to
do
sounds
like
security
problem
to
me
though
tom
paladin
world
std
com
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ucdavis
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ucdavis
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james
lee
subject
program
manager
problem
message
id
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ha
ucdavis
edu
sender
usenet
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news
administrator
organization
university
of
california
davis
newsreader
tin
pl3
date
tue
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gmt
lines
does
anyone
know
how
to
configure
dos
app
in
progman
so
that
only
one
instance
of
it
can
be
running
at
time
really
appreciate
some
help
on
how
to
do
this
would
prefer
responses
through
email
if
it
not
big
deal
or
at
least
through
email
as
well
as
posting
thank
you
james
lee
jelee
hamlet
ucdavis
edu
swear
by
my
life
and
my
love
of
it
that
will
never
live
for
the
sake
of
another
man
nor
ask
another
man
to
live
for
mine
john
galt
atlas
shrugged
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video
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drivers
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windows
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organization
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of
adelaide
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edu
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au
keywords
actix
graphics
accelerator
in
apr24
jarvis
csri
toronto
edu
wongda
eecg
toronto
edu
daniel
wong
writes
am
looking
for
the
latest
drivers
for
the
actix
graphics
accelerator
card
the
driver
am
currently
using
is
version
and
doesn
support
more
than
colors
in
x768
mode
even
you
have
mb
memory
the
bbs
support
for
actix
is
unbelievable
they
are
still
using
bps
modem
it
will
take
you
hours
to
download
the
drivers
it
hurts
when
you
are
calling
long
distance
is
there
any
ftp
site
that
has
collection
of
video
drivers
for
windows
btw
anyone
using
this
card
and
how
do
you
like
it
so
far
good
but
where
are
these
drivers
daniel
wong
uoft
anybody
at
actix
listening
upload
the
dang
drivers
to
an
ftp
site
pleeeeeeese
cheers
kym
kym
burgemeister
department
of
mechanical
engineering
university
of
adelaide
south
australia
ph
facs
mail
to
kburg
aelmg
adelaide
edu
au
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aisle
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edu
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subject
ms
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driver
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university
date
tue
apr
gmt
lines
does
anyone
have
the
documentation
for
the
ms
mouse
driver
got
it
when
got
windows
but
my
windows
manual
does
not
come
with
the
documentation
in
particular
need
to
know
how
to
turn
it
off
and
how
to
speed
it
up
outside
windows
the
greater
sensitivity
is
needed
so
can
play
various
games
esp
wing
carlos
niederstrasser
only
two
things
are
infinite
princeton
planetary
society
the
universe
and
human
stupidity
and
not
sure
about
the
former
einstein
carlosn
phoenix
princeton
edu
space
phoenix
princeton
edu
ad
astra
per
ardua
nostra
path
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ohio
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ohio
state
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uiuc
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newsrelay
iastate
edu
iscsvax
uni
edu
holmes7000
from
holmes7000
iscsvax
uni
edu
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comp
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ms
windows
misc
subject
win
icon
help
please
message
id
apr27
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uni
edu
date
apr
organization
university
of
northern
iowa
lines
have
win
and
downloaded
several
icons
and
bmp
but
can
figure
out
how
to
change
the
wallpaper
or
use
the
icons
any
help
would
be
appreciated
thanx
brando
ps
please
mail
me
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at
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netcom
com
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netcom
on
line
communication
services
guest
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
using
windows
printer
driver
would
like
to
print
to
file
with
output
as
postscript
file
later
would
like
to
take
this
postscript
file
to
machine
with
an
attached
hewlett
packard
laser
printer
and
print
the
document
at
dots
per
inch
resolution
would
like
to
use
this
method
to
print
from
wordperfect
for
windows
and
from
an
image
processing
program
that
can
output
images
in
postscript
here
the
problem
the
windows
postscript
printer
driver
pscript
drv
doesn
allow
me
to
specify
dpi
in
fact
the
setup
dialog
for
this
driver
does
have
pull
down
menu
for
resolution
but
the
only
choice
given
in
the
menu
is
not
really
useful
menu
any
ideas
david
arnstein
arnstein
iis
sun
com
international
imaging
systems
milpitas
california
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eng
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edu
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oz
au
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anu
edu
au
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edu
au
news
from
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aerg
canberra
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au
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blackman
subject
re
workspace
managers
for
win
locations
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au
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au
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werple
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au
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rain
com
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in
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apr27
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eecs
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you
write
cah
tactix
rain
com
chris
huey
writes
jamie
scuglia
jamie
zikzak
apana
org
au
wrote
thanks
to
all
those
people
who
recommended
workspace
managers
for
windows
found
shareware
workspace
managers
from
australia
ms
windows
archive
monu6
cc
monash
edu
au
which
mirrors
some
sites
in
the
the
three
found
were
workspaces
wspace
zip
review
deleted
workshift
wrksft16
zip
review
deleted
bigdesk
and
backmenu
backdesk
zip
review
deleted
really
appreciate
this
information
however
given
that
don
have
direct
internet
access
which
means
don
have
archie
access
must
resort
to
using
ftpmail
this
means
that
need
the
site
name
and
the
directory
where
these
workspace
managers
are
located
backdesk
zip
is
on
cica
but
not
sure
of
the
whole
directory
another
to
throw
into
the
running
is
topdesk
it
is
alsow
on
cica
but
not
sure
where
it
is
more
complicated
then
backdesk
but
ve
found
it
to
be
more
stable
and
more
usefull
recomend
it
to
people
who
have
already
used
virtual
desktop
oh
yeh
it
free
copyright
microsoft
and
sanford
staab
carl
zmola
cicero
spc
uchicago
edu
ok
here
are
some
usefull
applications
and
locations
and
other
on
cica
or
mirrors
in
the
desktop
directory
wrksft16
zip
wokshift
graphical
virtual
desktop
ver
email
author
about
version
desk240
zip
desktop
tools
for
windows
backmenu
bigdesk
later
version
than
backdesk
topdesk
zip
virtual
windows
for
windows
finder
zip
mac
finder
clone
for
windows
works
well
with
backmenu
also
look
out
for
superbar
due
out
soon
it
allows
button
bars
to
be
added
to
almost
any
application
paul
blackman
pwb
science
canberra
edu
au
water
research
centre
pwb
aerg
canberra
edu
au
faculty
of
applied
science
university
of
canberra
australia
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little
love
and
get
high
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kravitz
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going
on
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pc
keywords
slip
phone
cslipper
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been
posting
monthly
how
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lots
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graduation
have
come
in
the
way
of
posting
one
of
these
for
march
or
earlier
this
month
for
which
apologize
this
file
includes
information
on
writing
script
for
university
of
minnesota
phone
and
also
batch
file
hack
that
lets
you
use
other
packet
drivers
with
phone
for
additions
modifications
and
corrections
can
be
reached
at
ashok
biochemistry
cwru
edu
best
wishes
ashok
begin
slip
txt
based
on
my
experiences
on
setting
up
slip
under
dos
and
windows
here
are
my
comments
on
setting
up
slip
in
this
environment
thank
the
trumpet
beta
testers
and
the
cwru
slip
beta
testers
for
their
comments
configuring
your
modem
turn
off
dtr
at
d0
have
to
disable
dtr
because
the
communication
program
that
use
to
dial
my
slip
server
qmodem
drops
dtr
when
exit
the
program
and
therefore
hangs
up
the
line
if
you
use
program
like
kermit
or
conex
to
establish
the
slip
connection
then
this
need
not
be
done
these
programs
do
not
necessarily
hangup
the
line
when
you
exit
note
if
you
use
univ
of
minn
phone
to
dial
and
establish
slip
connection
you
do
not
need
to
turn
off
dtr
dial
and
establish
the
slip
connection
first
this
can
be
done
automatically
if
you
use
program
like
phone
from
the
university
of
minnesota
which
will
dial
and
establish
slip
connection
then
load
the
slip
packet
driver
the
phone
scripting
language
is
simple
and
phone
scripts
can
be
easily
written
to
configure
phone
to
work
with
other
slip
server
in
addition
while
the
only
packet
driver
that
phone
works
with
is
umslip
currently
it
is
easy
to
write
batch
file
hack
that
lets
phone
work
with
other
packet
drivers
there
is
section
on
phone
in
the
document
with
both
script
and
batch
file
examples
configuring
the
slip
drivers
there
are
five
slip
packet
drivers
commonly
available
cslipper
exe
peter
tattam
compressed
slip
driver
slipper
exe
peter
tattam
slip
driver
slip8250
com
crynwr
driver
like
phil
burn
modified
driver
ethersl
com
crynwr
driver
ethernet
simulation
over
slip
umslip
com
univ
of
minnesota
driver
based
on
slip8250
of
these
four
vastly
prefer
slipper
exe
over
slip8250
com
or
ethersl
com
for
the
following
reasons
it
is
much
faster
even
though
my
modem
has
just
uart
while
using
etherslip
slip8250
umslip
myself
and
several
others
have
noticed
that
the
pc
clock
gets
messed
up
after
performing
long
ftp
transfer
it
supports
pktmux
when
used
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
when
used
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
slipper
seem
to
work
with
every
tcp
ip
application
that
have
tested
it
with
instructions
for
slipper
exe
and
you
do
not
use
phone
load
slipper
in
your
autoexec
bat
file
according
to
instructions
for
instance
if
you
have
bis
modem
on
com1
slipper
com1
vec
baud
if
you
use
dos
tcp
ip
applications
in
win
dos
boxes
then
use
the
double
ended
packet
driver
shim
winpkt
com
this
creates
virtual
packet
driver
at
x60
dos
applications
in
native
mode
dos
applications
in
windows
dos
boxes
and
windows
applications
can
all
use
this
virtual
driver
at
x60
winpkt
com
x60
x62
if
you
use
qvt
net
load
pktint
com
next
qvt
net
is
configured
in
qvtnet
ini
to
use
the
interrupt
at
x60
pktint
com
instructions
for
slip8250
com
try
getting
version
slip
driver
philip
burns
of
northwestern
university
has
modified
slip8250
com
driver
that
is
better
at
hardware
handshaking
this
driver
is
distributed
along
with
nupop
load
the
driver
after
establishing
the
slip
connection
my
modem
is
bis
modem
on
com1
so
here
is
how
would
load
the
driver
slip8250
x62
slip
x03f8
as
discussed
above
if
you
use
dos
tcp
ip
applications
in
windows
dos
boxes
you
probably
want
to
use
winpkt
com
winpkt
com
x60
x62
if
you
use
winqvt
net
load
pktint
com
pktint
com
instructions
for
ethersl
com
if
you
choose
to
use
ethersl
com
instead
of
slip8250
com
the
instructions
are
exactly
the
same
with
one
crucial
difference
you
will
have
to
delete
the
line
device
vcd
from
the
enh
section
of
system
ini
this
will
interfere
with
running
regular
windows
comm
applications
such
as
crosstalk
and
you
will
get
lots
of
dropped
characters
etc
in
these
applications
this
is
therefore
not
recommended
etherslip
would
be
loaded
as
ethersl
x62
x03f8
configuring
windows
make
the
following
modifications
to
the
system
ini
file
enh
section
list
all
your
com
ports
with
their
addresses
and
interrupts
com1base
f8
com1irq
com2base
f8
com2irq
com3base
e8
com3irq
this
can
also
be
done
from
within
windows
control
panel
but
double
clicking
on
the
ports
icon
ii
give
the
port
to
which
your
modem
is
attached
generous
com
buffer
com1buffer
iii
change
the
com
port
autoassign
value
for
the
com
port
that
you
wish
to
use
for
your
modem
to
zero
this
is
the
amount
of
time
that
windows
waits
in
seconds
before
handing
control
of
that
com
port
to
another
application
if
you
use
winqvt
net
and
then
want
to
switch
from
one
session
to
another
and
this
value
is
at
the
default
value
of
seconds
you
are
will
get
gpf
and
windows
will
crash
com1autoassign
this
can
also
be
done
from
within
windows
control
panel
double
click
on
enhanced
and
under
device
contention
set
the
device
contention
for
the
com
port
your
modem
is
on
to
never
warn
additional
notes
what
to
do
if
you
are
assigned
different
ip
address
for
each
slip
session
am
fortunate
in
that
our
campus
slip
server
assigns
each
user
permanent
ip
address
so
do
not
have
worry
about
editing
qvtnet
ini
each
time
that
establish
slip
connection
if
you
are
assigned
new
ip
address
on
every
occasion
that
you
dial
in
please
try
to
use
bootp
aware
software
and
let
bootp
do
the
configuration
for
you
however
qvtnet
is
not
bootp
aware
and
rarp
will
not
work
over
slip
connection
to
get
qvtnet
working
in
situation
such
as
this
you
must
do
the
following
edit
the
qvtnet
ini
file
let
the
net
section
look
like
this
net
name
ip
netmask
or
whatever
is
appropriate
for
you
arptime
packet
vector
or
whatever
is
appropriate
save
the
changes
and
then
write
protect
this
file
attrib
qvtnet
ini
start
your
slip
connection
and
remember
the
name
and
ip
address
that
you
are
assigned
each
time
you
start
qvt
net
the
general
configuration
dialog
box
will
open
enter
the
name
and
ip
address
and
you
were
assigned
for
that
session
click
on
ok
and
you
should
be
up
and
running
the
changes
you
make
will
not
be
saved
as
qvtnet
ini
is
write
protected
more
elegant
solution
to
the
problem
of
dynamic
slip
ip
address
assignment
is
provided
by
victor
menayang
victor
ccwf
cc
utexas
edu
victor
uses
the
program
bootpq
to
semi
automate
qvtnet
preparation
bootpq
is
used
to
inquire
the
assigned
ip
which
is
then
saved
to
file
called
myip
another
file
noip
is
essentially
complete
qvtnet
ini
file
that
lacks
the
ip
address
in
the
final
step
myip
and
noip
are
copied
into
single
qvtnet
ini
file
an
example
of
victor
batch
file
is
provided
below
slipper
com2
pktint
com
bootpq
ip
myip
bootpq
my
ip
is
copy
net
myip
noip
com
qvtnet
qvtnet
ini
del
myip
echo
off
echo
echo
ready
to
run
winqvtnet
for
questions
and
more
details
about
bootpq
please
contact
victor
menayang
victor
ccwf
cc
utexas
edu
qpc
software
is
attempting
to
add
bootp
capability
to
winqvt
net
how
do
you
use
pktmux
over
slip
pktmux
will
not
work
over
the
slip8250
com
packet
driver
and
crashes
immediately
if
used
with
ethersl
com
pktmux
will
work
with
slipper
exe
when
slipper
is
used
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
an
example
of
this
configuration
is
shown
below
the
latest
release
of
pktmux
is
and
it
is
important
that
you
use
this
version
if
you
want
to
use
virtual
packet
drivers
with
applications
like
trumpet
for
windows
to
be
released
very
shortly
from
autoexec
bat
lh
slipper
com1
vec
baud
ether
packet
driver
lh
pktmux
pktmux
loaded
for
virtual
packet
drivers
lh
pktdrv
first
virtual
packet
driver
used
for
qvt
net
lh
pktint
com
qvt
net
pktint
com
pktdrv
pktdrv
for
use
in
native
dos
or
wintrumpet
additional
virtual
packet
drivers
can
be
loaded
directly
from
within
windows
dos
boxes
for
example
my
pif
file
to
load
popmail
is
directed
to
the
file
popmail
bat
this
is
what
popmail
bat
reads
like
pktdrv
loads
virtual
packet
driver
at
x60
cd
popmail
popmail
cd
pktdrv
unloads
the
packet
driver
at
x60
exit
causes
the
dos
window
to
close
have
similar
batch
files
that
load
other
dos
tcp
ip
applications
like
pc
gopher
it
is
my
experience
that
pktmux
works
fine
even
if
the
virtual
packet
drivers
in
two
independent
virtual
dos
sessions
are
loaded
at
the
same
software
interrupt
for
example
within
two
different
dos
boxes
one
for
popmail
and
the
other
for
gopher
the
virtual
packet
driver
pktdrv
is
loaded
at
x60
in
each
instance
how
much
does
pktmux
degrade
the
performance
of
slipper
have
bis
bis
modem
in
running
windows
with
reasonably
fast
video
card
ati
graphics
ultra
under
these
conditions
when
have
three
virtual
packet
drivers
loaded
and
being
used
as
follows
driver
at
x7f
qvtnet
ftp
client
session
driver
at
x60
in
one
dos
window
cutcp
tn3270
session
driver
at
x60
in
another
dos
window
trumpet
for
dos
get
ftp
transfer
rates
of
kb
sec
while
transferring
compressed
files
this
rate
is
comparable
to
that
which
get
with
slip8250
loaded
as
packet
driver
and
where
single
tcp
ip
session
is
active
if
cslipper
is
used
packet
driver
and
single
session
is
active
get
transfer
rates
of
kb
sec
on
the
same
files
while
there
is
about
degradation
in
the
performance
of
slipper
for
me
the
benefits
of
being
able
to
use
pktmux
outweigh
the
performance
hit
slipper
and
ethernet
simulation
mode
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
slipper
ver
works
with
all
the
applications
that
have
tested
it
with
one
or
two
applications
that
required
ethernet
simulation
balked
at
slipper
but
even
these
rare
problems
have
been
resolved
with
ver
when
slipper
is
used
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
and
used
with
pktmux
get
some
an
error
message
in
the
qvtnet
console
window
that
reads
ip
incorrect
packet
type
or
ip
bad
version
number
this
does
not
seem
to
prevent
qvtnet
from
functioning
although
cannot
comment
on
loss
of
performance
what
can
you
do
if
your
dos
tcp
ip
application
does
not
work
with
slipper
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
in
the
rare
event
that
you
find
package
that
does
not
work
with
slipper
in
ethernet
simulation
mode
first
contact
the
author
peter
tattam
peter
psychnet
psychol
utas
edu
au
and
let
him
know
chances
are
that
he
can
fix
it
in
the
meanwhile
you
can
try
the
following
do
not
know
if
it
is
kosher
but
it
worked
when
had
problems
with
slipper
ver
slipper
is
loaded
at
x62
as
described
above
under
the
pktmux
section
load
ethersl
com
at
x60
run
the
application
and
then
terminate
ethersl
com
this
also
works
within
windows
virtual
dos
boxes
however
packet
driver
like
ethersl
can
be
used
in
only
one
virtual
dos
box
at
time
so
for
example
here
is
my
batch
file
to
run
grateful
med
medical
reference
retrieval
program
developed
at
the
national
library
of
medicine
ethersl
x60
x03f8
loads
etherslip
cd
gm6
search
cd
termin
x60
terminates
etherslip
exit
closes
the
dos
box
and
returns
me
to
windows
if
you
use
this
method
be
cautious
about
one
thing
don
have
any
active
pktmux
dos
sessions
open
at
the
same
time
after
closing
the
ethersl
window
you
can
run
your
pktmux
dos
sessions
with
no
problem
btw
the
example
above
grateful
med
works
with
no
problems
with
slipper
ver
phone
script
files
the
documentation
that
accompany
phone
provide
good
instructions
on
writing
script
files
to
get
phone
to
dial
slip
servers
other
than
the
university
of
minnesota
server
for
example
here
is
script
that
use
to
dial
cisco
server
at
the
university
that
attend
background
to
start
slip
connection
dial
our
terminal
server
and
login
with
username
and
password
after
doing
so
start
slip
session
with
the
following
command
slip
username
slip
dialin
cwru
edu
followed
by
my
password
again
here
then
is
the
relevant
portion
of
the
phone
cmd
script
file
cwru
ts2
slip
login
script
by
ashok
aiyar
last
revised
procedure
host
cwru
login
timeout
cwru
ts2
terminal
server
is
not
responding
message
cwru
ts2
slip
login
script
version
message
waiting
for
slip
server
to
respond
quiet
on
expect
verification
message
request
for
user
verification
received
from
cwru
ts2
message
sending
your
user
name
and
password
quiet
off
expect
username
send
expect
password
private
send
reject
access
denied
your
user
name
or
password
was
not
accepted
timeout
slip
server
did
not
respond
to
your
validation
request
expect
cwru
ts2
send
slip
timeout
slip
server
did
not
respond
to
slip
command
expect
ip
hostname
or
address
send
slip
dialin
cwru
edu
timeout
slip
server
did
not
respond
to
hostname
reject
bad
ip
address
incorrect
hostname
expect
password
send
reject
access
denied
password
not
accepted
timeout
expect
header
compression
will
match
your
system
message
login
to
cwru
slip
server
successful
wait
endprocedure
host
cwru
login
procedure
host
cwru
logout
nothing
special
needs
to
be
done
to
logout
endprocedure
host
cwru
logout
end
of
script
file
how
to
use
packet
drivers
other
than
umslip
with
phone
the
quick
answer
there
is
no
clean
way
below
is
batch
file
hack
that
wrote
to
use
phone
with
other
packet
drivers
in
this
example
the
packet
driver
is
peter
tattam
cslipper
to
use
batch
file
like
this
you
must
know
the
parameters
with
which
you
plan
to
use
the
packet
driver
interrupt
vector
baud
rate
port
address
and
irq
this
batch
file
requires
umslip
com
cslipper
exe
and
termin
com
to
be
in
the
same
directory
or
in
your
path
all
that
the
batch
file
does
is
to
let
you
dial
the
slip
connection
using
phone
load
the
appropriate
packet
driver
hangup
the
connection
and
unload
the
driver
when
you
are
done
being
cwruslip
bat
echo
off
rem
this
batch
file
is
an
ugly
hack
of
of
minn
slip
bat
rem
awaiting
version
of
slipper
that
can
directly
interact
rem
with
phone
rem
cwruslip
bat
file
is
used
with
phone
exe
to
start
slip
rem
connection
on
cwru
ts2
rem
last
modified
ashok
aiyar
echo
off
cls
goto
start
start
if
goto
help
if
help
goto
help
if
setup
goto
setup
if
dial
goto
forced
if
hangup
goto
forceh
if
quit
goto
forceh
if
help
goto
help
if
setup
goto
setup
if
dial
goto
forced
if
quit
goto
forceh
goto
bogus
goto
unload
forceh
termin
x60
umslip
nul
phone
force
hangup
goto
unload
slipper
termin
x60
rem
the
following
line
must
be
changed
to
reflect
the
com
port
rem
irq
baud
rate
and
software
interrupt
lh
packet
cslipper
com1
vec
baud
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phone
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help
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end
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is
not
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command
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help
for
list
of
valid
commands
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help
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echo
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western
reserve
university
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using
univ
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where
to
get
what
peter
tattam
programs
are
archived
at
ftp
utas
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au
slipper
and
the
trumpet
set
of
programs
winqvt
net
is
generally
archived
at
most
windows
ftp
sites
including
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
ncsa
telnet
is
archived
at
ftp
ncsa
uiuc
edu
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is
archived
at
ftp
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nwu
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pc
slipdisk
phone
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pc
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of
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school
of
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please
refresh
on
internet
access
to
compuserve
date
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gmt
organization
project
glue
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of
maryland
college
park
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technet
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gsu
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tom
gillman
writes
cheong
solomon
technet
sg
scstech
admin
writes
sometime
ago
there
are
some
discussions
on
gaining
compuserve
access
thru
the
internet
but
seem
to
misplace
those
articles
can
someone
please
refresh
me
where
which
site
can
telnet
to
to
gain
access
to
send
message
to
compuserve
user
via
internet
mail
enter
the
mail
mode
and
address
your
receiver
as
follows
compuserve
com
the
number
is
the
receiver
compuserve
number
if
the
users
number
contains
comma
or
anything
other
than
period
change
it
to
period
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com
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reston
ans
net
usc
elroy
jpl
nasa
gov
decwrl
world
cant
from
cant
world
std
com
jim
cant
subject
msdos
prompt
problem
message
id
c687n5
ab8
world
std
com
organization
the
world
public
access
unix
brookline
ma
date
thu
apr
gmt
lines
am
having
really
bothersome
problem
using
the
msdos
prompt
in
windows
to
open
dos
box
when
am
done
with
the
dos
box
cant
get
back
to
windows
if
do
alt
enter
to
shrink
the
box
or
use
exit
to
close
it
the
screen
goes
black
and
have
to
control
alt
delete
until
kill
windows
get
couple
of
screens
about
app
not
responding
think
things
are
still
alive
under
the
black
screen
because
if
alt
tab
to
cycle
through
the
running
apps
get
flashes
of
text
but
then
the
black
returns
this
persists
even
if
the
machine
is
powered
on
and
off
am
working
with
an
app
developed
using
borland
application
frameworks
and
it
seems
to
work
fine
hardware
is
with
meg
ram
not
on
network
video
is
tseng
vga
dos
reinstalled
windows
couple
of
time
but
the
problem
comes
back
am
using
temporary
swapping
for
virtual
memory
would
really
really
appreciate
any
hints
anyone
might
offer
thanks
jim
cant
xref
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ms
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comp
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sura
net
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gwu
edu
louray
from
louray
seas
gwu
edu
michael
panayiotakis
subject
re
what
does
the
bmp
format
mean
message
id
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gwu
edu
organization
george
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university
references
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ie
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gmt
lines
in
article
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unix2
tcd
ie
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
andrew
roberts
writes
what
exactly
does
the
windows
bitmap
format
look
like
mean
how
is
the
data
stored
width
height
no
of
colours
bitmap
data
couldn
find
anything
in
ths
user
manual
is
there
any
other
reference
material
which
would
give
me
this
information
thanks
andrew
well
this
is
only
guess
if
it
goes
by
the
true
meaning
of
bit
map
then
it
holds
where
pixel
number
in
th
ex
direction
pixel
number
in
the
dir
colour
pe
michael
panayiotakis
louray
seas
gwu
edu
ace
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
how
do
make
ms
windows
grp
file
reflect
hd
directory
well
ain
always
right
but
ve
never
been
wrong
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gatech
concert
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world
paladin
from
paladin
world
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com
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schlatter
subject
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archive
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id
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std
com
organization
the
world
public
access
unix
brookline
ma
date
wed
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gmt
lines
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this
newsgroup
archived
anywhere
beyond
the
normal
expiration
dates
say
for
the
last
months
or
more
thanks
tom
paladin
world
std
com
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on
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hd
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communications
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diego
ca
lines
am
having
something
very
unusual
happen
first
some
background
on
my
system
have
mitsubishi
meg
hard
drive
and
am
running
smartdrv
the
version
that
comes
with
windows
on
it
rarely
use
windows
use
program
called
disk
technician
gold
v1
to
do
diagnostics
live
time
on
my
hard
drive
it
works
by
having
device
driver
detect
whenever
more
than
one
read
is
necessary
for
file
or
if
there
is
anything
else
is
wrong
with
it
and
minor
problems
are
fully
checked
out
upon
rebooting
my
hard
drive
is
notorious
for
bad
sectors
usually
end
up
with
new
bad
sectors
week
here
what
happened
ran
program
and
dtg
broke
in
with
an
emergency
warning
and
recommended
reboot
it
gave
me
this
message
twice
before
the
program
was
fully
loaded
exited
the
program
and
did
just
this
dtg
went
through
its
bootup
process
examining
for
new
errors
etc
and
screen
popped
up
and
said
something
about
sectors
for
brief
period
of
time
then
went
back
to
the
program
executed
it
again
and
the
exact
same
error
was
detected
rebooted
and
tried
again
and
the
same
error
happened
again
so
removed
dtg
from
memory
and
went
to
the
program
to
see
if
could
detect
anything
wrong
sure
enough
there
was
number
of
read
attempts
so
rebooted
and
reloaded
dtg
but
removed
the
cache
executed
the
program
no
read
errors
either
audible
or
detected
by
dtg
quit
the
program
loaded
the
cache
and
ran
the
program
again
the
errors
were
detected
ok
so
the
errors
are
there
and
dtg
detects
but
doesn
fix
them
when
the
cache
is
loaded
when
the
cache
is
not
loaded
there
are
no
errors
so
to
see
if
the
cache
was
interfering
with
any
other
files
went
into
xtree
gold
and
tagged
all
files
and
searched
them
for
random
string
in
other
words
wanted
the
program
to
completely
read
every
file
on
my
hard
drive
before
got
through
the
dtg
had
detected
at
least
six
errors
and
recommended
reboot
does
anybody
have
any
idea
why
smartdrv
is
causing
misreads
on
my
hard
drive
oh
there
are
exactly
two
misreads
per
file
and
in
about
every
files
are
affected
originally
posted
this
message
to
disk
technician
corp
system
but
figured
someone
out
in
netland
may
know
enough
about
smartdrv
to
help
me
out
internet
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netlink
cts
com
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driver
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netlink
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netlink
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communications
public
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in
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ca
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gwu
edu
michael
panayiotakis
writes
at
the
micro
oft
display
at
fose
there
were
few
computers
running
windows
and
win
apps
for
the
blind
think
didn
pay
much
attention
to
it
but
it
was
there
it
seems
that
particular
program
designed
for
blind
people
is
more
important
than
trying
to
interface
windows
with
way
for
blind
people
to
use
it
if
someone
made
voice
recognition
multimedia
sound
oriented
program
it
would
probably
been
more
effective
don
know
what
the
original
purpose
of
interfacing
windows
was
for
the
person
who
posted
the
question
though
kirk
membry
our
age
is
the
age
of
industry
rutgers
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iastate
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errington
shroud
writes
recently
windows
has
starting
giving
me
the
error
sound
blaster
pro
requires
newer
version
of
windows
it
has
worked
correctly
for
long
time
and
don
know
what
the
problem
could
be
thanks
had
this
problem
when
initially
installed
my
sound
blaster
pro
and
here
what
the
tech
support
told
me
they
told
me
to
look
for
the
files
that
are
stated
in
the
readme
file
from
the
win31
subdirectory
of
the
soudblaster
directory
now
look
in
the
system
ini
file
and
if
any
of
them
say
device
xxxxxxx
than
change
it
to
device
xxxxxxx
thats
should
work
was
your
system
ini
file
erased
for
some
reason
that
would
be
the
only
reason
that
would
think
that
windoes
is
giving
you
the
error
now
tony
annese
claebaur
shell
portal
com
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claebaur
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why
is
win
sometimes
so
finicky
have
new
dell
dx2
mhz
megs
ram
windows
was
working
just
great
had
bus
mouse
and
mother
board
problem
dell
replaced
the
mouse
gave
me
newer
mouse
driver
for
windows
and
replaced
the
motherboard
just
prior
to
this
problem
windows
would
only
load
up
every
other
time
would
get
the
logo
and
either
it
would
go
on
into
windows
or
lock
up
this
was
very
consistent
every
other
time
now
with
the
new
motherboard
and
all
it
still
does
the
same
thing
the
computer
is
less
than
one
month
old
at
first
it
worked
fine
can
get
into
windows
each
time
now
with
the
win
command
this
forces
standard
mode
things
seem
to
run
slower
mainly
use
windows
apps
but
in
standard
mode
there
is
no
virtual
mem
plus
it
is
slower
re
loaded
windows
it
still
does
the
same
thing
should
first
delete
everything
in
all
windows
dir
did
not
because
have
so
much
added
in
sub
dir
etc
really
puzzling
why
enhanced
mode
would
not
load
each
time
but
consistently
every
other
time
standard
mode
each
time
any
thoughts
or
comments
ya
artin
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communication
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of
the
better
shareware
replacements
for
win3
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file
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which
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at
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dos
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month
was
generally
impressed
with
the
improvements
the
multiple
boot
configurations
were
great
the
new
commands
were
nice
and
doublespace
worked
fine
twice
as
slow
for
large
data
transfers
twice
as
fast
for
small
with
smartdrv
until
now
this
morning
at
am
while
was
working
on
my
research
paper
had
to
reboot
hung
dos
program
that
did
no
disk
from
within
windows
when
my
machine
finished
rebooting
found
my
windows
directory
and
about
two
thirds
of
my
other
directories
were
irreversibly
corrupted
cannot
afford
problems
like
this
returning
to
dos
mark
ve
also
noticed
bad
sector
errors
from
doublespace
where
none
should
exist
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just
recently
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nec
fg
in
order
to
get
the
highest
possible
quality
and
refresh
rates
like
to
know
if
there
are
any
accelerator
cards
with
bnc
connectors
as
opposed
to
the
usual
sub
connector
do
not
know
of
any
vga
type
cards
that
have
bnc
outputs
but
extron
sells
vga
to
bnc
cable
set
that
works
good
with
my
fg
if
you
are
trying
to
optimize
the
display
with
good
video
card
try
contacting
get
nine
use
and
like
the
level
card
thanks
for
any
information
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mills
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ms
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sam
uk
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sciences
dept
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brad
monday
april
brad
smalling
wrote
to
crosspost
all
bs
for
vga
card
these
are
the
correct
files
but
you
can
just
copy
them
bs
back
and
expect
it
to
work
you
have
to
create
new
win
com
file
try
bs
the
command
you
will
have
to
worry
about
what
directories
each
file
is
in
bs
since
don
know
your
setup
bs
copy
win
cnf
vgalogo
lgo
vgalogo
rle
win
com
bs
grabbed
this
from
supercharging
windows
by
judd
robbins
great
book
bs
this
is
also
how
you
can
put
your
own
logo
into
the
windows
startup
bs
screen
an
rle
file
is
just
specially
compressed
bmp
file
brad
what
is
the
procedure
used
to
specially
compress
the
bmp
file
would
love
to
use
some
of
my
bmp
files
have
created
as
logo
screen
thanks
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origin
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doelle
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eng
deakin
oz
au
word
doesn
show
the
period
centred
character
to
indicate
spaces
if
use
the
ttfonts
from
coreldraw
our
editors
need
to
be
able
to
see
how
many
spaces
are
in
text
but
the
character
displayed
is
large
hollow
box
they
overlap
each
other
and
characters
on
each
side
which
is
useless
believe
the
character
used
by
w4w
is
the
period
centred
this
character
shows
up
with
the
windows
charmap
display
as
the
hollow
box
which
tends
to
confirm
this
have
edited
the
corel
font
with
fontmonger
and
changing
the
font
graphics
for
the
character
makes
no
difference
to
the
font
output
in
charmap
or
w4w
altering
the
paragraph
or
cedilla
does
alter
their
font
graphics
displayed
however
is
the
w4w
character
used
to
indicate
spaces
the
period
centred
character
has
anyone
been
able
to
get
this
character
displayed
from
coreldraw
ttf
russ
sharp
russ
deakin
edu
au
ph
fax
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university
school
of
engineering
technology
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au
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
which
ones
are
available
and
does
any
one
stand
out
amongst
the
rest
is
there
full
windows
version
that
does
not
call
the
dos
pkzip
pkunzip
commands
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edu
au
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sometimes
when
boot
up
windows
after
the
windows
logo
comes
up
it
han
gs
am
using
dos
and
doublespace
and
meg
temp
swap
file
on
an
uncompressed
drive
but
when
press
the
reset
button
on
the
computer
windows
boots
up
fine
why
is
this
is
it
dos
matthew
gillard
blessed
are
they
who
run
around
computer
systems
engineering
in
circles
for
they
shall
be
la
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re
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robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
wrote
what
exactly
does
the
windows
bitmap
format
look
like
mean
how
is
the
data
stored
width
height
no
of
colours
bitmap
data
couldn
find
anything
in
ths
user
manual
is
there
any
other
reference
material
which
would
give
me
this
information
thanks
andrew
try
the
windows
multimedia
development
kit
it
has
most
of
the
file
formats
defined
path
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in
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sws
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doug
sun
sws
uiuc
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doug
ward
writes
recently
purchased
diamond
stealth
video
card
and
received
the
wrong
drivers
does
anyone
know
where
can
ftp
the
windows
video
drivers
for
the
stealth
tried
the
drivers
at
cica
and
they
don
work
the
right
drivers
are
on
the
diamond
bbs
but
the
file
is
almost
meg
and
it
would
take
while
to
download
them
at
baud
any
information
would
be
appreciated
please
contact
me
at
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video
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keywords
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windows
does
anyone
know
where
can
ftp
or
somehow
else
acquire
the
latest
video
drivers
fonts
for
an
ati
svga
adapter
the
only
floppy
have
is
for
windows
does
anyone
know
if
ati
is
still
in
business
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seas
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edu
wrote
in
article
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
andrew
roberts
writes
what
exactly
does
the
windows
bitmap
format
look
like
mean
how
is
the
data
stored
width
height
no
of
colours
bitmap
data
couldn
find
anything
in
ths
user
manual
is
there
any
other
reference
material
which
would
give
me
this
information
well
this
is
only
guess
if
it
goes
by
the
true
meaning
of
bit
map
then
it
holds
where
pixel
number
in
th
ex
direction
pixel
number
in
the
dir
colour
come
on
fellows
the
format
is
quite
plainly
explained
in
the
manuals
it
in
the
programmer
reference
volume
messages
structures
and
macros
msc
dev
kit
for
should
be
also
in
the
borland
manuals
pages
depending
what
you
need
first
there
is
the
bitmapfileheader
struct
then
the
bitmapinfo
which
contains
the
bitmapinfoheader
and
the
rgbquad
and
then
the
bitmap
data
and
there
is
also
example
among
the
example
files
ms
sdk
hope
this
helps
yes
do
have
some
prior
knowledge
in
this
there
is
nothing
dangerous
in
these
dragons
they
are
totally
harmless
but
my
opinion
is
that
kicking
them
might
not
be
the
right
way
to
test
it
so
shut
up
and
run
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sunrise
oulu
fi
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phoenix
oulu
fi
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tolsun
oulu
fi
if
it
possible
that
there
are
some
opinions
above
they
must
be
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hello
again
about
week
and
one
half
ago
posted
query
looking
for
people
feelings
on
the
inkjet
family
of
printers
specifically
comparison
between
the
canon
bj200
bubblejet
and
the
hewlett
packard
deskjet
many
people
asked
me
to
post
the
summary
account
of
all
the
postings
and
mail
received
below
is
my
original
query
and
the
responses
received
have
not
deleted
any
part
of
the
responses
only
the
headers
and
signatures
so
you
can
extract
what
you
find
necessary
some
people
asked
me
for
an
unbiased
account
however
the
very
nature
of
the
question
suggests
favoritism
and
biased
comments
you
must
extract
the
information
you
believe
unbiased
and
fair
representation
of
each
printer
there
are
wide
range
of
comments
each
has
its
own
value
there
was
no
clear
winner
some
like
the
bj200
especially
its
price
performance
ratio
others
preferred
the
durability
and
reliability
of
the
deskjet
the
original
inkjet
with
proven
drivers
and
solid
background
two
new
inkjet
printers
have
drawn
some
attention
new
printer
to
be
introduced
by
hewlett
packard
later
this
year
around
summertime
and
an
addition
to
the
epson
product
line
their
first
inkjet
you
will
find
that
after
the
initial
purchase
the
costs
of
re
filling
or
replacing
the
ink
cartridges
are
about
the
same
this
largely
depends
on
where
you
purchase
the
re
fills
or
replacements
so
shop
around
first
since
this
aspect
will
most
likely
dominate
the
cost
of
your
printer
no
one
mentioned
approx
how
many
sheets
each
ink
cartridge
will
print
but
suspect
they
are
roughly
equal
at
about
sheets
laser
printers
will
do
sheets
per
toner
cartridge
well
that
brief
research
summary
of
my
personal
research
enjoy
hello
fellow
netters
am
asking
for
your
collected
wisdom
to
help
me
decide
which
printer
should
purchase
the
canon
bj200
bubblejet
vs
the
hp
deskjet
thought
rather
than
trust
the
salesperson
would
benefit
more
from
relying
on
those
who
use
these
printers
daily
and
use
them
to
their
fullest
potential
and
figure
all
of
you
will
know
their
benefits
and
pitfalls
better
than
any
salesperson
now
would
greatly
appreciate
any
information
you
could
render
on
the
dpi
of
the
canon
bubblejet
vs
the
hewlett
packard
deskjet
dpi
which
is
faster
is
there
noticeable
print
quality
difference
particularly
in
graphics
which
will
handle
large
documents
better
pages
or
more
any
personal
experience
on
either
will
be
appreciated
here
which
works
better
under
windows
any
driver
problems
etc
cost
of
memory
font
packages
toner
cartridges
etc
basically
your
personal
experiences
with
either
of
these
machines
is
highly
desirable
both
good
and
bad
well
bought
the
bj
about
month
ago
at
the
start
of
their
rebate
program
on
that
printer
it
ends
and
bought
it
from
computer
discount
warehouse
because
their
price
of
couldn
be
beat
anywhere
looked
and
think
it
hot
printer
just
using
regular
copier
paper
produced
fantastic
results
just
in
high
quality
mode
compared
the
output
of
micrografx
designer
legal
size
drawing
with
pt
type
done
on
my
bj
with
the
same
drawing
printed
on
an
hp
laserjet
iid
and
was
amazed
how
well
could
read
the
small
print
on
the
bj
printing
speed
was
several
seconds
faster
on
the
bj
which
is
amazing
considering
that
the
hp
has
ram
installed
measured
the
time
from
when
the
printer
first
indicated
it
was
receiving
data
as
used
print
manager
in
windows
showed
the
output
to
several
people
at
work
and
one
manager
bought
one
immediately
for
his
office
and
two
other
engineers
placed
their
orders
too
if
you
need
cdw
phone
number
it
delivery
to
ny
was
two
days
good
luck
craig
witkowski
ceng51
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motorola
communications
electronics
inc
glen
rock
nj
own
deskjet
performance
isn
spectacular
under
windows
using
truetype
fonts
but
neither
is
the
canon
from
what
have
seen
quality
for
the
hp
is
very
much
dependent
on
paper
quality
on
standard
photo
copy
paper
the
characters
have
slightly
frayed
edges
but
on
better
quality
distinction
type
paper
things
look
better
for
most
applications
find
copy
paper
fine
still
better
than
dot
matrix
comes
with
windows
driver
which
seems
to
by
pass
print
manager
has
few
intelli
fonts
which
are
hp
scaleable
fonts
probably
faster
than
truetype
but
haven
really
tried
them
out
can
get
ram
font
cartridges
but
unless
the
speed
of
truetype
is
problem
wouldn
bother
the
ram
cartridges
can
be
used
as
buffer
soft
fonts
only
for
graphics
bmp
images
etc
the
hp
can
be
put
into
dither
mode
via
the
hp
supplied
win
driver
there
number
of
dither
options
such
as
scatter
pattern
etc
the
manual
gives
recommendations
depending
on
the
type
of
image
being
printed
text
is
not
so
good
in
this
mode
problem
arises
when
you
have
document
which
contains
both
graphic
and
text
the
range
of
tones
for
graphic
images
isn
brilliant
but
think
that
is
more
of
limitation
with
inkjet
printers
in
general
from
what
have
seen
the
canon
is
similar
in
most
respects
however
printer
definitely
worth
looking
at
is
the
new
inkjet
from
epson
this
printer
is
faster
cheaper
and
capable
of
producing
laser
like
quality
on
normal
copier
paper
can
remember
the
model
lx
something
think
purchased
my
hp
days
before
the
epson
was
released
here
the
introductory
price
on
the
epson
was
the
same
as
the
hp
here
in
new
zealand
about
month
ago
got
canon
bj200
absolutely
love
it
it
is
incredibly
fast
except
for
printing
from
pspice
don
know
if
you
ever
do
stuff
with
that
or
not
most
of
the
stuff
print
is
either
from
microsoft
word
for
windows
or
just
plain
text
the
only
problems
ve
had
are
printing
headers
footers
the
printer
freaked
out
and
printing
on
cheap
paper
lots
of
streaks
normal
copy
paper
works
great
with
it
you
can
only
tell
it
not
laser
printed
by
holding
it
oh
less
than
twelve
inches
from
your
face
that
is
if
you
re
nearsighted
like
me
the
printer
comes
with
its
own
driver
for
windows
have
no
other
complaints
the
printer
also
can
act
just
like
some
epson
or
another
for
those
archaic
software
packages
that
haven
written
driver
for
it
yet
the
teeny
weeny
footprint
is
real
plus
too
and
if
you
purchase
it
between
now
and
may
you
get
rebate
from
canon
bought
mine
from
store
called
compusa
and
the
price
now
is
have
friend
who
has
the
hp
you
are
looking
at
it
also
prints
very
well
and
everyone
has
drivers
for
it
but
it
is
very
slow
hope
helped
dpi
sure
looks
great
heather
stehman
in
article
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mot
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writes
in
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robert
kayman
writes
hello
fellow
netters
am
asking
for
your
collected
wisdom
to
help
me
decide
which
printer
should
purchase
the
canon
bj200
bubblejet
vs
the
hp
deskjet
thought
rather
than
trust
the
salesperson
would
benefit
more
from
relying
on
those
who
use
these
printers
daily
and
use
them
to
their
fullest
potential
and
figure
all
of
you
will
know
their
benefits
and
pitfalls
better
than
any
salesperson
various
questions
deleted
well
bought
the
bj
about
month
ago
at
the
start
of
their
rebate
program
on
that
printer
it
ends
and
bought
it
from
computer
discount
warehouse
because
their
price
of
couldn
be
beat
anywhere
looked
and
think
it
hot
printer
just
using
regular
copier
paper
produced
fantastic
results
just
in
high
quality
mode
compared
the
output
of
micrografx
designer
legal
size
drawing
with
pt
type
done
on
my
bj
with
the
same
drawing
printed
on
an
hp
laserjet
iid
and
was
amazed
how
well
could
read
the
small
print
on
the
bj
printing
speed
was
several
seconds
faster
on
the
bj
which
is
amazing
considering
that
the
hp
has
ram
installed
measured
the
time
from
when
the
printer
first
indicated
it
was
receiving
data
as
used
print
manager
in
windows
guess
have
some
experience
with
both
have
bj
at
work
and
deskjet
at
home
prefer
the
deskjet
the
printing
speed
and
quality
are
similar
tested
both
with
text
and
graphics
before
buying
the
deskjet
for
home
the
feature
that
sets
the
deskjet
apart
is
the
driver
support
in
so
many
applications
the
bj
ends
up
emulating
the
epson
lq
or
ibm
proprinter
to
get
it
to
work
with
many
non
windows
apps
and
this
will
be
the
case
for
long
time
the
design
is
superior
if
you
just
want
to
use
cut
paper
the
deskjet
is
quieter
and
the
ink
cartridges
are
quite
bit
cheaper
due
to
the
number
of
deskjets
out
there
in
comparision
to
the
bjs
just
my
worth
mike
mattix
agricultural
group
of
monsanto
box
luling
la
internet
address
dmmatt
bigez
monsanto
com
yes
there
is
the
landscape
mode
printing
problem
but
it
does
not
present
problem
in
windows
as
the
windows
printer
driver
handles
the
translation
actually
thought
of
some
other
points
after
posted
the
note
the
deskjet
has
an
unprintable
area
of
approximately
inch
around
the
paper
the
bubblejet
does
not
you
are
right
about
the
graphics
resolutions
tested
the
printers
with
the
applications
had
access
to
wordperfect
harvard
graphics
wingif
paintshop
pro
and
paintbrush
and
could
not
tell
difference
in
fact
one
of
the
hp
deskjet
windows
drivers
gives
you
significant
control
over
the
contrast
and
density
of
the
printer
hence
controlling
the
amount
of
ink
you
put
down
the
bubblejet
did
not
had
no
imaging
software
to
test
the
printers
with
and
so
had
no
comparision
there
finally
wanted
sheet
feeding
in
that
configuration
the
bubblejet
cost
approximately
more
than
the
deskjet
went
through
pretty
thorough
evaluation
and
chose
the
deskjet
when
spent
my
own
money
btw
am
replacing
the
bj
with
deskjet
at
work
this
month
anyway
regards
mike
mattix
ag
group
of
monsanto
luling
la
spent
some
time
comparing
the
two
we
ended
up
getting
the
bubblejet
bj
versus
the
hp
our
reasons
were
the
hp
seemed
to
have
worse
banding
than
the
canon
dpi
versus
we
felt
we
could
see
the
difference
price
canon
has
rebate
program
going
on
at
the
moment
the
bj
was
our
choice
over
the
bj
ex
we
could
have
pages
in
the
bj
feeder
the
bj
ex
holds
only
pages
think
as
you
can
see
up
to
pages
on
the
bj
we
haven
done
anything
big
with
the
bj
but
its
performance
seems
reasonable
under
windows
know
that
the
microsoft
bbs
has
newer
windows
driver
than
comes
with
the
printer
but
don
know
how
it
compares
also
the
driver
included
with
the
printer
is
canon
whereas
don
know
where
the
microsoft
bbs
one
comes
from
microsoft
hope
this
helps
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the
meal
that
eats
itself
altough
sometimes
also
salesperson
if
not
suppost
to
study
would
recommend
to
buy
the
bj200
the
printing
quality
is
bit
better
but
you
you
ve
got
much
more
possiblities
don
forget
the
hp
engine
is
at
least
years
on
the
marked
the
canon
engine
witch
is
also
used
in
other
new
bubblejet
printers
like
the
epson
ones
is
quite
recently
available
now
would
greatly
appreciate
any
information
you
could
render
on
the
dpi
of
the
canon
bubblejet
vs
the
hewlett
packard
deskjet
dpi
which
is
faster
is
there
noticeable
print
quality
difference
particularly
in
graphics
which
will
handle
large
documents
better
ve
seen
during
short
demonstration
from
someone
who
tryed
to
sell
me
canon
printers
times
the
same
picture
one
printed
with
the
bj200
one
with
the
canon
the
other
with
the
hp
and
there
was
difference
in
printing
quality
the
canon
was
bit
better
greetz
kris
when
we
decided
we
needed
quiet
printers
in
our
hospital
we
looked
to
inkjet
printers
they
have
near
laser
quality
speed
and
they
are
quiet
we
use
both
hp
deskjets
and
the
canon
bj
prefer
the
paper
handling
qualities
of
the
deskjets
but
feel
the
canons
have
superior
print
quality
the
ideal
would
be
canon
with
sheet
feeder
however
did
end
up
buying
deskjet
for
home
use
got
too
good
deal
anyway
we
are
using
canons
in
high
volume
areas
and
they
are
holding
up
very
well
out
of
deskjets
and
bj
have
only
had
one
problem
with
deskjet
and
that
was
taken
care
of
very
quickly
by
hp
nate
whenever
buy
anything
look
at
what
the
experts
say
pick
out
the
top
few
and
then
buy
on
whatever
criteria
are
the
most
apt
ve
been
unusually
flush
lately
no
begging
letter
please
and
so
ve
done
this
few
times
including
about
four
months
ago
with
inkjet
printers
can
remember
much
about
the
process
except
that
read
about
three
reviews
of
inkjets
and
that
the
was
always
at
or
near
the
top
bought
the
because
of
the
added
dimension
of
colour
intend
to
build
multi
media
machine
at
some
stage
and
have
just
bought
colour
scanner
towards
that
although
haven
used
the
colour
thing
in
earnest
yet
tried
it
out
on
couple
of
windows
bitmaps
and
was
pleased
with
the
result
note
that
even
though
you
can
now
get
the
the
one
with
both
colour
and
mono
with
no
need
to
change
the
cartridge
the
and
are
still
readily
available
at
least
in
the
uk
the
following
are
my
views
experience
don
know
anything
about
the
canon
except
that
came
away
from
reviews
and
replies
to
posting
similar
to
yours
with
the
idea
that
the
hp
offered
the
best
performance
price
ratio
believe
hp
are
the
originals
in
the
field
not
always
the
ideal
place
to
be
but
the
market
still
young
so
one
assumes
they
have
the
expertise
the
is
worth
the
extra
operation
in
mono
is
perfectly
acceptable
and
get
good
crisp
reproduction
of
fonts
from
windows
used
to
work
for
monotype
when
they
still
manufactured
typesetters
before
their
american
owners
closed
them
down
and
can
tell
you
that
in
terms
of
definition
dpi
is
pretty
poor
anyway
so
dpi
is
just
bit
less
poor
the
hp
comes
with
reasonable
set
of
drivers
if
you
buy
it
invest
in
the
additional
ram
pack
it
pretty
slow
with
it
god
knows
what
it
like
without
actually
work
in
germany
and
my
pc
is
home
in
the
uk
so
it
not
in
daily
use
would
say
that
apart
from
my
not
reading
the
manual
properly
and
having
really
dumb
problem
at
the
start
it
easy
peasy
to
operate
hope
this
is
of
use
regards
david
just
bought
the
bj
thought
the
price
couldn
be
beat
with
rebate
thru
and
so
far
it
is
comparable
even
superior
to
the
deskjet
in
print
quality
speed
per
page
rate
seems
to
be
faster
don
have
figures
don
print
long
docs
though
quality
think
the
graphics
quality
is
excellent
print
quality
is
excellent
as
well
unless
you
use
small
fonts
and
hold
it
up
close
you
can
see
lot
more
jaggies
than
on
laserjet
the
dpi
is
offset
by
little
less
accuracy
in
holding
the
page
print
head
in
place
would
imagine
large
docs
not
room
in
the
standard
model
for
whole
lotta
pages
manual
says
up
to
though
haven
tried
it
drivers
no
problems
under
win3
yet
winword
doesn
want
to
print
the
envelopes
the
same
way
the
canon
does
though
know
nothing
of
add
on
costs
daniel
hartung
dhartung
chinet
chinet
com
ask
me
about
rotaract
the
deskjet
is
slow
this
is
in
comparison
to
the
other
printers
mentioned
have
no
idea
how
the
bubblejet
compares
the
interface
between
win3
and
the
printer
is
just
dandy
ve
not
had
any
problems
with
it
just
bought
bj
printer
couple
of
days
ago
compared
it
to
the
sample
print
of
an
hp
deskjet
and
knew
that
the
hp
wasn
for
me
the
bj
is
pretty
fast
and
really
prints
with
good
quality
can
compare
it
with
the
hp
laserjet
iiid
postscript
and
they
look
almost
identical
depending
on
the
kind
of
paper
don
have
problems
with
the
ink
not
being
dry
it
seems
to
dry
very
fast
probably
within
second
since
canon
is
giving
rebate
until
the
end
of
may
it
is
really
good
buy
sean
eckton
computer
support
representative
college
of
fine
arts
and
communications
wow
it
funny
you
should
ask
this
little
behind
in
news
reading
so
know
this
may
be
late
just
purchased
the
canon
bubblejet
last
night
was
really
worried
that
wouldn
like
it
but
the
print
quality
and
noise
level
is
fantastic
printed
quite
few
documents
with
lots
of
graphics
and
it
printed
damn
near
laser
quality
you
can
tell
it
not
laser
unless
you
get
inches
from
the
page
no
problems
with
drivers
the
printer
came
with
the
driver
diskette
which
is
good
because
was
beginning
to
panic
when
couldn
findi
it
under
windows
or
wordperfect
it
works
well
under
both
have
yet
to
install
word
for
windows
so
don
know
how
it
works
with
them
had
deskjet
at
work
last
year
it
was
good
printer
as
well
ut
felt
it
was
awfully
slow
and
much
noisier
than
the
bubblejet
won
say
the
bubblejet
is
much
better
but
really
do
like
it
more
just
my
worth
brett
sincerely
robert
kayman
kayman
cs
stanford
edu
or
cpa
cs
stanford
edu
in
theory
theory
and
practice
are
the
same
in
practice
they
are
not
you
mean
you
want
the
revised
revision
of
the
original
revised
revision
revised
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world
cfw
from
cfw
world
std
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wroten
subject
question
on
eisa
video
board
performance
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keywords
eisa
video
performance
organization
the
world
public
access
unix
brookline
ma
date
thu
apr
gmt
lines
have
an
eisa
machine
and
just
do
not
understand
why
most
eisa
video
cards
only
match
the
performance
of
their
isa
counterparts
for
instance
the
eisa
orchid
pro
designer
iis
is
only
about
as
fast
as
the
isa
diamond
speedstar
plus
which
isn
what
would
call
fast
don
understand
why
eisa
video
cards
aren
as
group
on
the
same
level
of
performance
as
local
bus
cards
given
that
eisa
video
cards
have
bit
bus
to
move
data
around
instead
of
isa
bits
since
they
are
not
why
would
anyone
me
included
pay
higher
cost
for
eisa
video
card
when
its
performance
is
no
better
than
and
often
worse
that
much
cheaper
isa
video
board
such
as
diamond
speedstar
from
pc
magazine
think
recent
report
know
that
ati
makes
pretty
fast
eisa
video
card
but
it
around
which
is
just
about
double
what
my
wallet
will
allow
me
to
spend
and
for
could
get
diamond
viper
and
still
have
left
over
of
course
have
to
get
local
bus
mother
board
too
can
anyone
shed
some
light
on
my
confusion
frustration
thanks
christopher
wroten
cfw
world
std
com
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udel
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nott
bnrgate
bnr
co
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pipex
sunic
celsiustech
se
admin
kth
se
kth
se
elixir
kth
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e92
tbo
from
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tbo
elixir
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subject
re
need
longer
filenames
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id
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to
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tage
borg
organization
school
of
ee
royal
institute
of
technology
sweden
references
apr19
guinness
idbsu
edu
d518325t9
infoserv
com
rfdkqinn8s2
zephyr
grace
cri
nz
date
wed
apr
gmt
in
article
rfdkqinn8s2
zephyr
grace
cri
nz
maystonr
grace
cri
nz
richard
mayston
writes
path
kth
se
sunic
pipex
uunet
noc
near
net
howland
reston
ans
net
wupost
waikato
ac
nz
comp
vuw
ac
nz
zephyr
grace
cri
nz
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grace
cri
nz
usenet
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misc
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re
need
longer
filenames
message
id
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grace
cri
nz
from
maystonr
grace
cri
nz
richard
mayston
date
mon
apr
gmt
sender
maystonr
grace
cri
nz
references
apr19
guinness
idbsu
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d518325t9
infoserv
com
distribution
world
organization
industrial
research
ltd
new
zealand
nntp
posting
host
rmayston
grace
cri
nz
lines
in
article
d518325t9
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hfeldman
infoserv
com
howard
mitchell
feldman
writes
in
apr19
guinness
idbsu
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lhighley
gozer
idbsu
edu
larry
paul
highley
wrote
is
there
utility
out
there
that
will
let
me
use
filenames
longer
than
the
standard
format
yep
it
called
os2
yep
you
can
use
any
type
of
unix
or
maybe
vms
or
buy
mac
or
something
if
you
want
longer
filenames
for
your
documents
heard
of
wordprocessor
for
windows
which
let
you
assign
long
names
to
files
those
long
filenames
could
only
be
seen
from
that
programs
open
save
dialogs
though
maybe
someone
knows
more
about
this
wordprocessor
than
do
path
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eng
gtefsd
com
emory
darwin
sura
net
haven
umd
edu
uunet
digex
com
digex
net
not
for
mail
from
wild
access
digex
net
wildstrom
newsgroups
comp
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ms
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misc
subject
re
standard
and
enhanced
question
date
apr
organization
express
access
online
communications
greenbelt
md
usa
lines
message
id
rmjm3
f16
access
digex
net
references
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ofg
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ins
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edu
nntp
posting
host
access
digex
net
ak333
cleveland
freenet
edu
martin
linsenbigler
writes
why
is
win
sometimes
so
finicky
have
new
dell
dx2
mhz
megs
ram
windows
was
working
just
great
had
bus
mouse
and
mother
board
problem
dell
replaced
the
mouse
gave
me
newer
mouse
driver
for
windows
and
replaced
the
motherboard
just
prior
to
this
problem
windows
would
only
load
up
every
other
time
would
get
the
logo
and
either
it
would
go
on
into
windows
or
lock
up
this
was
very
consistent
every
other
time
much
deleted
any
thoughts
or
comments
sounds
like
memory
conflict
problem
which
can
cause
truly
weird
symptoms
like
these
call
dell
tech
support
or
better
post
to
them
on
cserve
if
you
have
an
account
and
get
the
memory
range
used
by
video
ram
on
your
machine
the
block
windows
from
using
those
ranges
with
an
emmexclude
statement
in
the
enh
section
of
system
ini
you
probably
should
include
statement
excluding
the
same
range
from
emm386
or
whatever
memory
manager
you
use
in
config
sys
dell
installs
windows
on
the
machines
they
ship
but
the
installation
doesn
consist
of
much
more
than
copying
the
files
to
hard
disk
you
still
have
to
do
the
work
and
the
fact
that
you
have
the
problem
in
enhanced
mode
but
not
standard
strongly
suggests
high
memory
conflict
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cs
utexas
edu
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nott
bnrgate
bnr
co
uk
uknet
pipex
sunic
news
funet
fi
news
cs
tut
fi
pk64380
from
pk64380
kaarne
cs
tut
fi
kuusisto
pasi
petri
sig
subject
re
program
manager
two
questions
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id
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tut
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originator
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system
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cs
tut
fi
reply
to
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cs
tut
fi
organization
tampere
university
of
technology
dep
of
computer
science
references
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axion
uucp
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
from
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uucp
by
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uucp
warren
fridy
iii
in
apr22
vpnet
chi
il
us
lisbon
vpnet
chi
il
us
gerry
swetsky
writes
can
you
set
up
short
cut
key
to
return
to
the
program
manager
know
ctl
esc
esc
will
do
it
but
rather
set
it
up
so
can
avoid
the
task
list
and
get
back
to
the
with
alt
f1
you
might
try
the
recorder
and
make
micro
now
isn
that
just
amazing
seriously
add
program
manager
to
your
startup
group
and
define
shortcut
for
it
works
zi
xref
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ms
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misc
comp
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edu
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sol
ctr
columbia
edu
caen
batcomputer
cornell
raman
from
raman
cs
cornell
edu
raman
subject
screenreading
programs
for
ms
windows
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cornell
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summary
looking
for
screen
access
program
for
ms
windows
keywords
talking
workstations
screenreading
programs
screen
access
for
window
organization
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univ
cs
dept
ithaca
ny
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
hi
use
pc
with
screen
access
program
ibm
screen
reader
and
speech
synthesizer
accent
sa
would
like
to
find
out
about
screen
access
programs
for
the
windows
platform
heard
that
were
couple
of
them
out
now
under
beta
testing
would
like
to
find
out
addresses
prices
etc
thanks
raman
raman
raman
cs
cornell
edu
tel
office
upson
hall
department
of
computer
science
cornell
university
ithaca
ny
res
bryant
avenue
ithaca
ny
xref
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comp
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comp
lang
comp
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ms
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ms
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ms
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ms
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misc
path
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srv
cs
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edu
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edu
noc
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doc
from
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magna
com
matthew
errico
subject
looking
for
text
search
engine
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id
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com
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magna
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corporation
date
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gmt
lines
looking
for
any
information
regarding
text
search
engines
specifically
prefer
source
or
binaries
which
will
run
in
ms
windows
and
or
unix
environment
scanning
either
flat
files
or
common
db
structures
references
to
pd
shareware
or
commercial
implementations
welcome
please
reply
via
email
ll
summarize
if
desired
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ugle
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unit
no
vard
bj
stad
organization
norwegian
institue
of
technology
lines
am
getting
desperate
have
report
that
must
be
finished
by
midnight
and
w4w
doesn
seem
to
have
what
appears
to
be
must
use
the
autonum
field
for
numbering
chapters
but
my
document
is
distributed
amongst
several
files
just
can
find
way
to
make
word
start
the
numbering
at
something
else
than
or
of
course
everything
is
fine
in
the
first
file
but
it
pretty
stupid
when
all
chapters
are
numbered
as
please
if
you
have
any
solution
to
this
except
from
putting
it
all
in
one
document
mail
me
immediately
as
am
working
on
th
report
hardly
have
any
time
to
read
news
so
please
mail
me
all
answers
will
be
heartly
welcome
in
advance
thanx
lot
frode
rinnans
trondheim
tlf
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and
on
the
th
day
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etc
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says
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all
in
need
of
truetype
oem
character
set
font
ie
one
that
contains
the
line
drawing
and
other
characters
in
the
pc
character
set
similar
to
those
you
get
when
running
text
mode
application
if
anyone
could
point
me
at
such
thing
be
grateful
the
only
oem
fonts
included
with
windows
are
not
truetype
regards
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malamas
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re
windows
zip
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apr
gmt
in
article
rl9b6
h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
russ
deakin
oz
au
russ
sharp
writes
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
is
there
full
windows
version
that
does
not
call
the
dos
pkzip
pkunzip
commands
russ
sharp
russ
deakin
edu
au
ph
fax
there
is
wunarchive
the
replacement
of
wunzip
it
only
extracts
but
it
ssupports
pkzip
it
does
not
require
pkz
unzip
in
order
to
work
and
ccosts
only
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am
apr
hello
who
can
tell
me
where
can
find
the
pd
or
shareware
which
can
capture
windows
output
of
printer
mananger
want
to
capture
the
output
of
hp
laser
jet
iii
though
the
postscript
can
setup
to
print
to
file
but
hp
can
try
dos
redirect
program
but
they
can
work
in
windows
thankx
for
any
help
you
can
print
to
file
from
an
hp
or
any
other
printer
just
go
into
the
printers
section
of
your
control
panel
select
the
printer
you
want
to
re
direct
to
file
and
click
on
connect
then
choose
file
as
the
port
to
connect
the
printer
to
when
you
print
from
any
application
to
that
printer
windows
will
prompt
you
for
file
name
for
the
file
into
which
you
want
to
capture
the
printout
it
pretty
easy
good
luck
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reed
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question
about
the
autocheck
boxes
in
windows
is
it
possibility
to
let
the
boxes
have
several
different
colors
at
the
same
time
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of
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boot
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sometimes
fails
from
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edu
au
matthew
gillard
date
wed
apr
gmt
sometimes
when
boot
up
windows
after
the
windows
logo
comes
up
it
han
gs
am
using
dos
and
doublespace
and
meg
temp
swap
file
on
an
uncompressed
drive
but
when
press
the
reset
button
on
the
computer
windows
boots
up
fine
why
is
this
is
it
dos
matthew
gillard
blessed
are
they
who
run
around
computer
systems
engineering
in
circles
for
they
shall
be
la
trobe
university
known
as
wheels
dos
never
used
the
area
e000
efff
as
well
as
some
others
if
you
have
any
cards
that
use
this
are
such
as
lan
card
you
might
get
this
problem
use
the
e000
efff
in
your
emm386
exe
line
in
config
sys
if
you
run
memmaker
then
instruct
it
retain
inclusions
and
exclusions
path
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from
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ai
programs
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of
georgia
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lines
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uga
edu
anyone
know
of
good
software
package
that
will
allow
us
to
keep
track
of
who
is
printing
what
and
when
is
there
any
way
to
get
print
manager
to
keep
log
is
there
print
manager
replacement
that
will
do
this
how
about
package
that
will
only
allow
access
to
the
system
for
people
in
password
file
looked
at
chastity
but
it
will
let
you
log
in
without
password
and
doesn
keep
tabs
of
who
got
on
and
when
any
help
will
be
greatly
appreciated
mark
juric
programs
mjuric
ai
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edu
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of
georgia
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nott
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uk
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from
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tigern
elisabeth
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why
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using
dos
anymore
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date
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apr
gmt
lines
mark
woodruff
cda90038
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bitnet
wrote
this
morning
at
am
while
was
working
on
my
research
paper
had
to
reboot
hung
dos
program
that
did
no
disk
from
within
windows
when
my
machine
finished
rebooting
found
my
windows
directory
and
about
two
thirds
of
my
other
directories
were
irreversibly
corrupted
stuff
deleted
this
sounds
like
what
happened
to
my
hd
month
ago
my
hd
was
stacked
with
stacker
run
dos5
suddenly
everything
hung
up
and
most
of
the
hd
got
corrupted
directories
changed
into
unreadable
files
with
funny
names
in
other
words
it
is
probably
just
the
doubledisk
part
of
dos6
that
is
troublesome
now
use
stacker
and
so
far
have
had
no
trouble
elisabeth
bull
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eliza
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nvg
unit
no
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edu
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darwin
sura
net
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umd
edu
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mcsun
sunic
ericom
euas31c48
konta
from
konta
eua
ericsson
se
thomas
arctaedius
subject
re
need
longer
filenames
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to
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utvecklings
ab
references
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kth
se
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
is
there
utility
out
there
that
will
let
me
use
filenames
longer
than
the
standard
format
yep
it
called
os2
yep
you
can
use
any
type
of
unix
or
maybe
vms
or
buy
mac
or
something
if
you
want
longer
filenames
for
your
documents
heard
of
wordprocessor
for
windows
which
let
you
assign
long
names
to
files
those
long
filenames
could
only
be
seen
from
that
programs
open
save
dialogs
though
maybe
someone
knows
more
about
this
wordprocessor
than
do
if
rember
correctly
lotus
notes
gives
this
possiblity
among
other
things
tom
softsys
se
path
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club
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de
mailgzrz
tu
berlin
de
mailszrz
zrz
tu
berlin
de
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from
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zrz
tu
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de
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linder
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nt
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needed
with
io
error
x0069
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id
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zrz
tu
berlin
de
hi
everybody
out
there
just
got
the
third
beta
release
disk
march
of
windowsnt
and
still
am
not
able
to
boot
up
that
system
the
final
step
achieved
is
the
display
of
io
error
x0069
but
since
this
is
the
beta
release
of
the
sdk
for
nt
and
not
of
nt
microsoft
does
not
include
manual
on
the
os
itself
explaining
what
this
error
means
of
what
can
do
to
get
rid
of
my
configuration
is
mainboard
hauppauge
rev
a7
with
socket
for
i860
megs
of
memory
ami
eisa
scsi
controller
series
latest
bios
mb
cache
st41200n
hard
disk
syquest
removable
disk
toshiba
cd
rom
drive
proaudio
spectrum
plus
longshine
ethernet
card
lcs8634
ne2000
comp
et4000
graphics
card
meg
colorimage5
the
system
is
running
fine
under
dos
and
windows
etc
but
trying
to
do
the
setup
for
nt
automatic
setup
does
not
recognize
controller
aha1542
compat
when
adding
manually
nt
complains
not
finging
any
cd
rom
drive
the
manual
setup
winnt
does
not
copy
everything
from
cd
to
hd
does
not
recognize
controller
but
takes
it
manually
setup
continues
until
it
tries
to
boot
then
it
starts
loading
several
stuff
from
disk
seems
to
fing
the
hd
but
messing
up
with
that
damned
io
error
took
away
all
io
cards
not
essential
but
that
did
not
make
any
effect
anybody
got
any
ideas
help
would
be
greatly
appreciated
michael
linder
mlinder
tonet1
physik
tu
berlin
de
institute
of
optics
tech
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path
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edu
ub
rutgers
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ramac
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how
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njit
edu
am
new
to
windows
and
wanted
to
know
how
to
setup
the
terminal
program
have
modem
in
com4
but
when
it
try
to
configure
it
inside
windows
get
the
messare
unsupported
com
can
anyone
help
me
sam
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id
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date
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gmt
distribution
usa
lines
references
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organization
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bradstreet
software
in
article
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from
james
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cummings
subject
re
more
cool
bmp
files
message
id
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usa
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lines
in
article
apr17
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rwang
gmuvax2
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edu
john
wang
writes
hi
everybody
guess
my
subject
has
said
it
all
it
is
getting
boring
looking
at
those
same
old
bmp
files
that
came
with
windows
so
am
wondering
if
there
is
any
body
has
some
beautiful
bmp
file
can
share
or
maybe
somebody
can
tell
me
some
ftp
site
for
some
bmp
files
like
some
scenery
files
some
animals
files
etc
used
to
have
some
unfortunately
delete
them
all
anyway
could
me
give
me
some
help
please
in
response
to
different
kinda
wallpaper
here
what
use
think
the
original
gif
whatever
was
called
not
real
the
artist
name
and
logo
is
in
the
lower
right
corner
you
will
need
vga
think
and
have
this
sized
for
x600
color
screens
use
this
in
your
windows
directory
and
do
not
tile
it
hope
you
enjoy
had
question
abo
owen
adair
wd4fsu
adair
dbsoftware
com
software
backbone
uupsi5
atldbs
adair
there
is
an
alarming
increase
of
topics
know
nothing
about
path
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srv
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udel
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sura
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not
for
mail
from
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hcf
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subject
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records
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mar
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summary
earl
weaver
commandments
the
orioles
pitching
staff
again
is
having
fine
exhibition
season
four
shutouts
low
team
era
well
haven
gotten
any
baseball
news
since
march
but
anyways
could
they
contend
yes
could
they
win
it
all
maybe
but
for
all
those
fans
of
teams
with
bad
spring
records
remember
earl
weaver
first
law
of
baseball
from
his
book
on
managing
no
one
gives
damn
in
july
if
you
lost
game
in
march
btw
anyone
have
any
idea
on
the
contenders
for
the
fifth
starter
it
pretty
much
set
that
sutcliffe
mussina
mcdonald
and
rhodes
are
the
first
four
in
the
rotation
here
at
johns
hopkins
university
where
the
mascot
is
the
blue
jay
their
baseball
team
logo
was
the
toronto
club
logo
now
it
anatomically
correct
blue
jay
god
can
they
think
of
an
original
idea
it
even
in
the
same
pose
as
the
baltimore
oriole
on
the
hats
how
many
people
realize
that
the
bird
is
really
called
baltimore
oriole
admiral
steve
liu
internet
address
admiral
jhunix
hcf
jhu
edu
committee
for
the
liberation
and
intergration
of
terrifying
organisms
and
their
rehabilitation
into
society
from
red
dwarf
polymorph
the
bangles
are
the
greatest
female
rock
band
that
ever
existed
this
sig
has
been
brought
to
you
by
frungy
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sport
of
kings
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cl
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acifuent
from
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puc
cl
alejandro
cifuentes
subject
re
why
is
my
mouse
so
jumpy
ms
mouse
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de
chile
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tin
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references
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sfu
ca
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
ecktons
ucs
byu
edu
sean
eckton
writes
have
microsoft
serial
mouse
and
am
using
mouse
com
was
using
think
but
switched
to
to
see
if
it
was
any
better
vertical
motion
is
nice
and
smooth
but
horizontal
motion
is
so
bad
sometimes
can
click
on
something
because
my
mouse
jumps
around
can
be
moving
the
mouse
to
the
right
with
relatively
uniform
motion
and
the
mouse
will
move
smoothly
for
bit
then
jump
to
the
right
then
move
smoothly
for
bit
then
jump
again
maybe
this
time
to
the
left
about
inch
this
is
crazy
have
never
had
so
much
trouble
with
mouse
before
anyone
have
any
solutions
here
is
another
hint
have
really
jumping
mouse
ps2
type
and
finally
the
mouse
stops
jump
changing
himem
sys
yes
himem
is
you
use
device
himem
sys
can
be
of
course
my
computer
don
appear
on
the
list
for
these
parameter
and
maybe
your
mouse
can
stop
jump
but
your
problem
looks
more
like
dirty
mouse
hope
it
help
to
anybody
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cifuentes
acifuent
isluga
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cl
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edu
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wetware
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rick
from
rick
sundance
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edu
richard
warner
subject
dos
loaded
gun
was
why
not
using
dos
anymore
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id
rick
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sender
news
sjsumcs
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edu
news
administrator
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posting
host
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edu
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jose
state
university
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dept
references
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gmt
lines
mark
woodruff
cda90038
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bitnet
writes
ve
been
running
dos
for
about
month
was
generally
impressed
with
the
improvements
the
multiple
boot
configurations
were
great
the
new
commands
were
nice
and
doublespace
worked
fine
twice
as
slow
for
large
data
transfers
twice
as
fast
for
small
with
smartdrv
until
now
this
morning
at
am
while
was
working
on
my
research
paper
had
to
reboot
hung
dos
program
that
did
no
disk
from
within
windows
when
my
machine
finished
rebooting
found
my
windows
directory
and
about
two
thirds
of
my
other
directories
were
irreversibly
corrupted
cannot
afford
problems
like
this
returning
to
dos
mark
ve
also
noticed
bad
sector
errors
from
doublespace
where
none
should
exist
infoworld
april
issue
has
two
articles
about
problems
with
dos
second
look
article
calls
it
loaded
gun
and
that
people
should
exercise
extreme
caution
if
they
decide
to
use
it
the
point
out
that
doublespace
and
memmaker
are
both
problem
areas
that
will
cause
number
of
folks
problems
ms
response
was
to
the
effect
that
there
had
been
no
problems
reported
that
they
could
duplicate
probably
are
not
trying
too
hard
cringely
reports
that
lot
of
folks
are
getting
going
to
get
burned
on
the
support
lines
his
example
was
call
that
cost
for
minutes
of
tech
support
after
minutes
on
hold
want
to
see
the
ms
spin
doctors
explain
this
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com
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tittle
moore
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ca
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unit
no
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
eliza
tigern
elisabeth
bull
writes
mark
woodruff
cda90038
ucf1vm
bitnet
wrote
this
morning
at
am
while
was
working
on
my
research
paper
had
to
reboot
hung
dos
program
that
did
no
disk
from
within
windows
when
my
machine
finished
rebooting
found
my
windows
directory
and
about
two
thirds
of
my
other
directories
were
irreversibly
corrupted
stuff
deleted
this
sounds
like
what
happened
to
my
hd
month
ago
my
hd
was
stacked
with
stacker
run
dos5
suddenly
everything
hung
up
and
most
of
the
hd
got
corrupted
directories
changed
into
unreadable
files
with
funny
names
in
other
words
it
is
probably
just
the
doubledisk
part
of
dos6
that
is
troublesome
now
use
stacker
and
so
far
have
had
no
trouble
this
pretty
much
confirms
my
original
impression
after
reading
through
the
documentation
on
dos
the
double
space
sounds
nice
but
not
on
your
primary
disk
ll
probably
wind
up
making
disk
partition
and
doublespacing
it
using
it
as
an
archive
probably
would
be
useful
on
floppy
disks
as
well
but
on
uh
uh
particularly
disliked
the
note
that
said
something
like
double
space
is
irreversible
cindy
cindy
tittle
moore
internet
tittle
ics
uci
edu
bitnet
cltittle
uci
bitnet
uucp
ucbvax
ucivax
tittle
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ca
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windows
enhanced
mode
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to
get
icon
functionality
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ingres
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subsidiary
of
the
ask
group
inc
distribution
na
date
apr
gmt
lines
recently
set
windows
up
on
my
dx
vlb
system
and
didn
notice
until
last
night
that
don
have
the
icon
in
my
control
panel
don
remember
windows
setup
asking
me
about
enhanced
mode
whether
wanted
it
or
not
now
ve
got
program
that
just
bought
aldus
freehand
that
is
telling
me
that
should
be
running
windows
in
enhanced
mode
looks
like
running
in
standard
mode
how
can
switch
to
enhanced
mode
without
the
little
icon
thingie
are
there
some
issues
involved
with
vesa
lb
systems
which
cause
windows
to
not
want
to
give
you
enhanced
mode
thanks
for
any
help
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victor
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gwu
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from
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gwu
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re
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with
changing
startup
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f3333
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fidonet
org
doelle
writes
hello
brad
monday
april
brad
smalling
wrote
to
crosspost
all
bs
since
don
know
your
setup
bs
copy
win
cnf
vgalogo
lgo
vgalogo
rle
win
com
bs
grabbed
this
from
supercharging
windows
by
judd
robbins
great
book
bs
this
is
also
how
you
can
put
your
own
logo
into
the
windows
startup
brad
what
is
the
procedure
used
to
specially
compress
the
bmp
file
would
to
rle
file
love
to
use
some
of
my
bmp
files
have
created
as
logo
screen
thanks
chris
origin
chris
doelle
f3333
n106
z1
fidonet
org
thought
reply
to
this
though
ain
brad
at
any
case
lot
of
picture
file
viewers
that
will
convert
say
between
gif
etc
to
bmp
will
convert
to
rle
know
for
fact
that
paintshop
shareware
from
cica
desktop
think
filename
psvvv
zip
think
where
vvv
is
the
ver
number
if
that
not
true
let
me
know
and
ll
post
corection
this
however
will
write
your
rle
file
with
bmp
extension
so
you
have
to
rename
it
now
another
thing
this
is
from
the
windows
faq
your
file
has
to
be
less
than
at
least
that
what
the
faq
says
but
mine
wont
work
for
more
than
about
maybe
they
mend
don
know
your
file
has
to
fit
vga
size
or
whatever
standard
vga
size
is
if
you
use
non
vga
screen
cga
ega
svga
there
is
also
way
to
do
it
but
thing
instead
of
vgalogo
lgo
you
use
another
file
such
as
cgalogo
lgo
egalogo
lgo
or
something
not
sure
about
this
as
have
vga
but
sure
you
could
find
it
in
the
faq
windows
help
ver
of
which
is
available
at
cica
but
don
konw
the
filename
also
your
bmp
has
to
be
colours
or
less
these
specs
rule
out
some
of
the
good
bmp
found
cartoon
drawings
work
quite
well
as
they
have
the
advantage
of
looking
good
with
little
memory
finally
remember
to
save
your
current
win
com
before
and
put
your
new
win
com
in
the
windows
directory
also
don
start
windows
from
directory
where
another
win
com
is
present
as
that
is
used
instead
of
the
one
in
the
windows
dir
and
win
won
start
share
this
fairly
but
don
take
slice
of
my
pie
pf
mickey
pe
michael
panayiotakis
louray
seas
gwu
edu
ace
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
how
do
make
ms
windows
grp
file
reflect
hd
directory
well
ain
always
right
but
ve
never
been
wrong
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sura
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gwu
edu
louray
from
louray
seas
gwu
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michael
panayiotakis
subject
re
windows
zip
unzip
message
id
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organization
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washington
university
references
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h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
date
wed
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gmt
lines
in
article
rl9b6
h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
russ
deakin
oz
au
russ
sharp
writes
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
which
ones
are
available
and
does
any
one
stand
out
amongst
the
rest
well
got
winzip
from
cica
don
know
which
version
but
think
it
the
latest
as
this
is
not
long
ago
and
was
initially
imressed
but
here
the
low
down
winzip
is
great
progra
as
long
as
you
only
unzip
it
lets
you
vew
files
unzip
only
selected
files
and
even
puts
the
files
in
checkout
directory
and
creates
checkout
grp
and
group
if
you
want
to
check
the
program
out
it
even
prompts
for
deletion
of
these
on
exit
if
you
didn
like
the
program
however
big
however
over
here
have
problems
zipping
don
konw
specifics
on
this
or
ammount
of
consistency
but
sometimes
when
zip
few
files
or
add
file
to
zip
dos
will
violate
something
or
other
and
ll
be
asked
in
kind
micro
oft
kind
of
way
to
quit
all
applications
quit
windows
and
restart
my
computer
don
know
as
said
how
consistent
this
is
as
jdont
zip
much
and
when
do
now
just
go
to
dos
and
use
it
from
there
or
just
use
the
run
cmd
but
do
know
it
happened
when
added
files
to
an
existing
zip
file
and
when
created
new
zip
file
using
selected
files
only
don
know
if
it
happened
when
zip
an
entire
dir
still
it
has
rather
nice
interface
and
quite
useful
unzip
ing
functions
if
the
above
is
fixed
ll
be
the
first
to
register
the
new
ver
as
for
now
good
old
run
unzip
zip
will
work
ps
if
new
ver
is
out
that
fixes
these
please
let
me
know
peace
mickey
pe
michael
panayiotakis
louray
seas
gwu
edu
ace
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
how
do
make
ms
windows
grp
file
reflect
hd
directory
well
ain
always
right
but
ve
never
been
wrong
gd
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ans
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sura
net
seas
gwu
edu
louray
from
louray
seas
gwu
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panayiotakis
subject
re
boot
up
sometimes
fails
message
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references
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lugb
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edu
au
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csir
co
za
date
wed
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gmt
lines
in
article
dbasson
mattek
csir
co
za
dbasson
mattek
csir
co
za
dominique
basson
writes
dos
never
used
the
area
e000
efff
as
well
as
some
others
if
you
have
any
cards
that
use
this
are
such
as
lan
card
you
might
get
this
problem
use
the
e000
efff
in
your
emm386
exe
line
in
config
sys
if
you
run
memmaker
then
instruct
it
retain
inclusions
and
exclusions
speaking
of
that
my
comp
has
emmexclude
e000
efff
or
something
of
that
nature
in
the
system
ini
file
or
some
system
file
for
windows
was
just
wondering
if
having
that
line
in
windows
startup
file
is
better
as
it
will
give
some
more
memory
on
dos
apps
but
disable
it
when
you
run
windows
actually
do
think
that
that
line
is
also
in
the
system
file
peace
mickey
pe
michael
panayiotakis
louray
seas
gwu
edu
ace
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
how
do
make
ms
windows
grp
file
reflect
hd
directory
well
ain
always
right
but
ve
never
been
wrong
gd
xref
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edu
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ins
cwru
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ces
cwru
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stever
from
stever
ces
cwru
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ms
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apps
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odometer
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gmt
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engineering
and
science
case
western
reserve
university
lines
distribution
usa
message
id
rmdun
fa
usenet
ins
cwru
edu
nntp
posting
host
storm
eeap
cwru
edu
hello
do
you
know
about
mouse
odometer
for
windows
have
seen
one
for
the
mac
it
is
quite
fun
it
records
the
distance
in
miles
that
the
travels
during
use
thanks
in
advance
steve
steven
ruegsegger
if
you
are
conservative
when
you
are
young
smr2
po
cwru
edu
you
have
no
heart
if
you
are
liberal
when
you
are
old
you
have
no
brain
xref
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misc
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
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club
cc
cmu
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pitt
edu
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spool
mu
edu
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reston
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ohio
state
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internationalization
of
applications
and
muulti
byte
characters
keywords
i18n
message
id
c692ma
bz
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udev
cdc
com
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gmt
sender
usenet
raistlin
udev
cdc
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poster
reply
to
slc
cdc
com
organization
metaphase
technology
inc
lines
we
are
researching
what
support
there
is
on
various
platforms
for
applications
to
use
multi
byte
characters
japanese
kanji
we
know
that
unix
and
windows
can
contain
support
for
the
i18n
standard
depending
on
level
and
platform
what
support
for
i18n
or
wide
characters
exists
on
the
mac
windows
and
windows
nt
steve
chesney
slc
catherine
cim
cdc
com
metaphase
technology
inc
voice
north
lexington
avenue
fax
arden
hills
mn
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
rochester
udel
gatech
prism
gt2617c
from
gt2617c
prism
gatech
edu
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smalling
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edu
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gmt
references
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georgia
institute
of
technology
lines
in
article
aa01739
fidonet
org
doelle
writes
brad
what
is
the
procedure
used
to
specially
compress
the
bmp
file
would
love
to
use
some
of
my
bmp
files
have
created
as
logo
screen
thanks
chris
origin
chris
doelle
f3333
n106
z1
fidonet
org
don
know
the
specifics
of
the
compression
algorithm
but
ve
used
the
shareware
program
paintshop
to
convert
between
the
two
you
can
download
it
from
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
but
don
know
what
the
file
is
called
or
what
directory
it
is
in
you
can
start
by
looking
in
pub
pc
win3
or
try
scanning
the
index
files
to
convert
bmp
file
to
rle
file
you
just
load
the
bmp
file
and
do
save
as
select
windows
bitmap
and
compressed
or
is
it
rle
whatever
it
is
it
fairly
intuitive
sorry
don
have
all
the
details
but
currently
on
an
ibm3151
dumb
terminal
and
can
do
much
researching
good
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some
from
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and
some
from
fi
responded
saying
about
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int
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development
kit
possibly
the
asker
does
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development
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help
if
you
can
whenever
try
to
run
windows
useing
the
million
color
mode
with
the
drivers
supplyed
with
my
diamond
stelth
it
will
lock
up
requireing
full
system
reset
to
break
out
the
drivers
that
have
for
windows
are
for
windows
which
is
the
version
of
windows
am
useing
my
setup
dx40
kcach
megs
of
ram
svga
touch
monitor
non
interlaced
ami
bios
any
and
all
help
would
be
apreciated
the
card
seems
to
work
fine
in
other
modes
usually
run
windows
in
x600
mode
and
probs
at
all
so
am
hopeing
it
is
driver
and
not
card
problem
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may
be
an
faq
if
so
please
direct
me
to
the
known
answer
but
am
getting
frustrated
and
looking
for
help
am
running
win
with
ndw
on
sx
with
meg
of
memory
and
meg
perm
swap
file
and
am
getting
exceedingly
frustrated
that
my
applications
are
not
giving
back
system
resources
when
close
them
when
load
windows
start
with
about
resources
available
but
many
of
the
application
programs
run
regularly
wpwin
vb
winqvt
lotus
organizer
etc
seem
to
not
return
all
their
resources
when
exit
them
after
day
or
two
of
work
often
find
myself
down
under
of
available
resources
even
when
have
no
applications
other
than
my
shell
running
am
aware
this
is
known
problem
what
am
looking
for
are
some
suggestions
of
what
might
do
to
mitigate
it
what
software
is
the
culprit
win
ndw
my
applications
are
some
modes
of
win
standard
real
enhanced
better
than
others
at
plugging
this
leak
are
their
system
ini
switches
can
set
to
help
plug
this
leak
do
people
know
of
patches
or
third
party
software
that
help
with
this
seems
like
increasing
or
better
managing
system
resources
is
great
market
for
third
party
memory
company
like
qemm
if
run
progman
instead
of
ndw
will
the
leak
subside
was
hoping
that
ndw
would
have
plugged
this
but
it
seems
no
different
than
in
how
it
deals
with
memory
and
resources
when
am
writing
vb
code
are
there
things
can
do
to
make
it
less
likely
my
code
will
eat
resources
any
other
suggestions
that
don
know
enough
to
ask
for
specifically
thanks
for
your
help
as
this
is
common
problem
and
have
seen
only
little
discussion
of
it
on
the
net
there
are
probably
others
who
would
like
to
read
answers
so
please
publish
here
rather
than
sending
me
email
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windows
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and
while
fairly
competent
sparc
nextstep
programmer
have
no
idea
which
development
kit
to
purchase
have
heard
good
things
about
borland
with
application
frameworks
and
microsoft
visual
with
sdk
what
would
like
is
peoples
comments
on
which
package
or
set
of
tools
they
find
useful
or
productive
and
why
there
are
plethora
of
other
kits
such
as
gui
toolkits
available
and
wondering
which
of
these
are
best
in
terms
of
reliability
plug
and
go
type
operation
readability
and
so
on
be
interested
in
comments
on
these
or
anything
else
you
may
find
useful
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summarize
to
the
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there
is
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wondering
what
is
necessary
to
change
the
default
system
font
to
something
else
have
just
obtained
msc
with
sdk
so
really
like
to
get
my
feet
wet
with
doing
my
first
windows
pro
gram
to
change
the
system
font
tx
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just
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new
mb
with
ati
ultra
pro
and
can
get
into
windows
it
says
that
need
more
memory
available
but
have
mb
ogf
extended
mem
of
conventionnal
have
disabled
my
memory
aperture
because
it
didn
find
any
free
memory
but
it
still
gave
me
message
that
the
memory
aperture
will
conflict
with
system
memory
think
that
why
it
want
to
get
in
windows
any
help
will
greatly
be
appriciated
please
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anyone
know
where
can
ftp
or
somehow
else
acquire
the
latest
video
drivers
fonts
for
an
ati
svga
adapter
the
only
floppy
have
is
for
windows
does
anyone
know
if
ati
is
still
in
business
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hi
folks
have
question
how
can
generate
pcx
file
using
word
for
windows
know
can
select
postscript
printer
driver
to
get
ps
file
but
how
can
generate
pcx
file
is
there
printer
capture
utility
for
windows
that
ever
exists
or
utility
to
transfer
ps
format
to
pcx
format
or
tiff
format
please
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by
mail
will
give
summary
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of
computer
science
lines
saw
an
ad
for
this
and
it
basically
is
an
advanced
print
manager
it
lets
you
monitor
your
printing
more
closely
and
comes
with
bunch
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true
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fonts
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the
error
sound
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pro
requires
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of
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it
has
worked
correctly
for
long
time
and
don
know
what
the
problem
could
be
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physics
lines
would
like
to
see
serious
discussion
on
the
best
way
to
install
windows
from
novell
administrator
point
of
view
just
got
off
the
phone
with
ms
access
support
and
was
told
that
they
microsoft
has
decided
to
implement
as
standard
for
software
support
the
local
setup
described
below
as
the
most
advantageous
installation
if
this
is
true
and
microsoft
deems
this
to
be
the
most
prudent
installation
then
will
comply
but
like
to
hear
it
from
administrators
first
the
local
windows
installation
windows
is
fully
installed
on
each
workstation
hard
drive
assuming
the
resources
are
available
from
network
administrator
implementation
he
she
would
install
all
windows
disks
on
network
drive
using
setup
then
install
windows
on
per
machine
bases
by
running
setup
off
the
network
to
install
the
complete
system
on
the
local
drives
in
this
way
all
drivers
are
available
to
the
setup
procedure
the
need
to
change
disks
advantages
reduce
traffic
running
windows
locally
reduces
network
traffic
due
to
the
local
access
of
main
windows
files
network
independence
if
the
network
fails
and
they
all
do
at
one
point
or
another
the
local
installation
would
allow
users
to
keep
producing
and
reduce
the
cost
of
down
time
faster
windows
theoretically
windows
will
run
faster
from
local
hard
drive
than
over
network
this
may
be
hard
point
to
prove
if
the
network
has
an
optical
backbone
and
or
the
network
drives
are
significantly
faster
access
than
local
ones
user
traveling
from
machine
to
machine
does
not
need
to
worry
about
varying
setups
monochrome
color
types
of
mouse
etc
since
the
windows
installation
is
assigned
to
the
workstation
disadvantages
cost
installing
windows
locally
requires
significant
amount
of
disk
space
workstations
now
must
be
purchased
with
hard
disk
that
can
increase
the
cost
of
the
workstation
from
to
percent
administration
local
windows
installations
are
very
difficult
to
administer
new
drivers
for
peripherals
are
constantly
being
made
available
each
of
which
would
have
to
be
individually
installed
on
each
workstation
security
users
now
have
access
to
erase
or
corrupt
their
own
system
files
from
simple
ignorance
this
could
result
in
quite
headache
for
administrators
who
may
have
to
constantly
repair
damaged
installations
backup
we
all
know
the
problems
backing
up
local
hard
disks
the
backup
sets
if
done
via
centralized
tape
system
get
very
large
very
quickly
backup
individually
to
floppy
may
not
happen
at
all
this
may
be
eliminated
if
it
is
assumed
that
local
hard
disks
only
contain
replaceable
applications
and
not
user
data
the
shared
windows
installation
windows
is
fully
installed
to
network
disk
via
the
setup
procedure
described
above
users
or
administrators
then
install
minimal
set
of
files
to
individual
user
directories
these
directories
may
be
on
local
hard
disk
or
perhaps
network
home
directory
the
bulk
of
the
windows
system
files
are
maintained
on
the
network
in
single
directory
some
files
and
are
accessed
shared
as
needed
by
users
throughout
their
windows
session
the
user
files
consist
of
small
set
of
files
that
the
user
has
updated
during
his
her
windows
session
these
include
group
files
ini
files
and
other
regularly
updated
files
advantages
single
location
for
all
files
makes
updates
to
drives
easy
as
an
updated
driver
becomes
available
it
only
needs
to
be
installed
in
this
single
directory
for
all
users
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
it
assuming
that
the
users
files
are
maintained
in
network
home
directories
the
administrator
can
easily
edit
any
ini
file
as
needed
to
correct
problems
that
may
arise
this
includes
win
ini
and
system
ini
backup
of
all
pertinent
files
is
done
easily
even
if
the
users
files
are
on
local
hard
disk
the
bulk
of
the
windows
system
is
backed
up
with
all
driver
updates
disadvantages
network
traffic
since
all
windows
files
are
being
shared
in
network
directory
traffic
on
the
network
can
become
problem
an
effect
the
speed
of
windows
if
the
network
crashes
all
production
comes
to
stop
since
window
is
reliant
upon
the
network
for
its
files
loss
of
data
usually
occurs
as
well
since
users
working
in
windows
at
the
time
of
the
crash
will
usually
not
be
able
to
save
their
work
although
minimal
disk
space
is
still
consideration
if
the
users
files
are
maintained
on
the
network
large
number
of
users
can
cause
significant
utilization
of
disk
space
due
to
their
personal
windows
files
alone
users
cannot
easily
move
from
machine
to
machine
unless
the
workstation
hardware
are
similar
this
is
due
to
the
windows
installation
being
tied
to
particular
username
in
the
case
of
network
user
files
the
discussion
would
like
to
know
from
other
administrators
with
large
windows
userbase
how
they
prefer
setting
up
windows
personally
have
setup
numerous
installations
using
the
shared
setup
all
windows
and
application
files
are
on
the
network
with
little
or
no
utilization
of
local
hard
disks
in
fact
sold
network
on
the
fact
that
the
company
would
no
longer
need
to
purchase
hard
disks
for
their
workstations
and
thus
save
that
much
more
money
would
also
like
to
see
recommendations
for
applications
should
apps
such
as
word
and
or
excel
be
installed
locally
regardless
of
how
windows
is
installed
again
keep
all
files
on
the
network
for
easy
backup
and
administration
but
this
is
putting
all
eggs
in
one
basket
if
the
network
crashes
work
comes
to
halt
now
am
sure
microsoft
and
know
your
out
there
has
their
own
ideas
about
this
and
their
insights
would
be
of
great
value
but
hope
to
hear
from
people
with
actual
working
experience
with
users
and
network
administration
path
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edu
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udel
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changing
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id
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institute
of
technology
lines
in
article
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seas
gwu
edu
louray
seas
gwu
edu
michael
panayiotakis
writes
in
article
aa01739
fidonet
org
doelle
p26
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n106
z1
fidonet
org
doelle
writes
hello
brad
monday
april
brad
smalling
wrote
to
crosspost
all
bs
copy
win
cnf
vgalogo
lgo
vgalogo
rle
win
com
unecessary
bs
grabbed
this
from
supercharging
windows
by
judd
robbins
great
book
bs
this
is
also
how
you
can
put
your
own
logo
into
the
windows
startup
might
do
it
too
much
trouble
brad
bmp
will
convert
to
rle
know
for
fact
that
paintshop
shareware
from
cica
desktop
think
filename
psvvv
zip
think
where
vvv
is
the
ver
number
if
that
not
true
let
me
know
and
ll
this
however
will
write
your
rle
file
with
bmp
extension
so
you
have
to
rename
it
your
file
has
to
be
less
than
at
least
that
what
the
faq
says
but
mine
wont
work
for
more
than
about
maybe
they
mend
don
know
agreed
mixali
your
file
has
to
fit
vga
size
or
whatever
standard
vga
size
is
if
you
use
non
vga
screen
cga
ega
svga
there
is
also
way
to
do
it
but
thing
instead
of
vgalogo
lgo
you
use
another
file
not
entirely
true
also
your
bmp
has
to
be
colours
or
less
true
finally
remember
to
save
your
current
win
com
before
and
put
your
new
win
com
in
the
windows
directory
also
don
start
windows
from
unecessary
mickey
path
of
least
resistance
tm
get
wingif
from
cica
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
pub
pc
win3
desktop
it
will
save
to
native
rle
format
unlike
psp
an
otherwise
fine
fine
prog
make
file
using
anything
that
has
to
be
less
than
as
michael
said
and
less
than
colors
import
it
to
wingif
as
gif
pcx
or
bmp
and
save
it
in
you
windows
system
subdir
as
vgalogo
rle
not
lgo
exit
win
and
run
setup
in
the
windows
subdir
reselect
your
current
config
run
win
voila
minor
correction
the
rle
file
has
to
be
that
means
gif
hope
it
helps
and
please
please
someone
put
this
in
the
group
faq
costas
malamas
georgia
institute
of
technology
oit
ua
oit
doesn
pay
me
enough
to
share
its
opinions
internet
ccastco
prism
gatech
edu
path
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srv
cs
cmu
edu
rochester
udel
louie
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ccastco
from
ccastco
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newsgroups
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subject
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windows
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unzip
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georgia
institute
of
technology
lines
in
article
rl9b6
h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
russ
deakin
oz
au
russ
sharp
writes
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
is
there
full
windows
version
that
does
not
call
the
dos
pkzip
pkunzip
commands
russ
sharp
russ
deakin
edu
au
ph
fax
winzip
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
pub
pc
win3
util
it
is
shell
it
does
call
dos
but
very
very
good
one
it
will
also
do
arc
arj
and
lzh
it
fully
supports
pkzip
try
using
it
it
might
be
shell
very
unobtrusive
but
that
also
means
you
dont
need
to
update
it
with
every
every
other
letter
of
the
alphabet
version
of
pkzip
hope
it
helps
costas
malamas
georgia
institute
of
technology
oit
ua
oit
doesn
pay
me
enough
to
share
its
opinions
internet
ccastco
prism
gatech
edu
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
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edu
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acns
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edu
uicvm
uic
edu
u09416
organization
university
of
illinois
at
chicago
academic
computer
center
date
wed
apr
cdt
from
pankaj
saxena
u09416
uicvm
uic
edu
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id
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uic
edu
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tcp
ip
through
windows
lines
don
know
much
about
computers
so
please
bear
with
me
here
my
question
context
use
package
called
slip
on
my
home
computer
to
connect
to
the
university
mainframe
an
ibm
running
vms
mvs
and
log
on
to
my
account
when
installed
slip
on
my
computer
had
to
configure
it
for
my
modem
kbs
etronics
internal
and
had
to
supply
the
phone
number
to
dial
to
reach
the
mainframe
the
way
it
works
now
is
that
type
telnet
uicvm
or
tn3270
uicvm
either
will
work
at
the
dos
prompt
uicvm
is
the
node
name
of
the
mainframe
the
program
then
dials
the
mainframe
establishes
protocol
and
gives
me
the
logon
screen
telnet
and
tn3270
are
the
names
of
batch
files
in
my
slip
directory
have
been
told
that
kermit
protocol
is
used
for
the
session
problem
would
like
to
be
able
to
do
all
this
under
windows
because
hardly
ever
use
dos
directly
slip
will
not
run
under
windows
talked
to
the
people
at
our
computer
center
and
they
suggested
that
use
packet
driver
called
winpkt
com
with
slip
they
gave
me
instructions
on
how
to
load
it
before
start
windows
and
how
to
modify
the
tcpstart
and
tcpstop
batch
files
in
the
slip
directory
to
ensure
that
it
would
work
did
all
that
and
could
run
slip
from
windows
but
there
were
other
problems
for
one
thing
slip
would
not
hang
up
the
phone
when
exited
had
to
run
my
communi
cations
program
to
hang
up
the
phone
or
reboot
the
computer
when
that
didn
work
for
another
there
were
too
many
errors
it
often
took
me
tries
to
connect
to
the
mainframe
our
computer
center
does
not
support
slip
under
windows
so
can
keep
going
back
to
them
with
more
questions
question
is
there
some
other
shareware
package
that
will
run
under
windows
and
do
what
slip
is
supposed
to
do
need
package
that
is
not
too
expensive
which
is
why
am
looking
for
shareware
have
heard
that
there
are
regular
commercial
packages
that
do
all
this
but
they
cost
hundreds
of
dollars
these
are
the
main
requirements
must
be
able
to
run
under
windows
must
allow
vt100
and
ibm
tn3270
terminal
emulation
must
allow
ftp
file
transfers
since
that
the
only
kind
the
mainframe
allows
no
modem
or
modem
etc
believe
the
ftp
transfers
are
made
through
kermit
protocol
but
hazy
about
that
subsidiary
feature
that
would
be
nice
to
have
if
it
true
windows
program
rather
than
dos
program
modified
to
run
under
windows
is
the
ability
to
run
the
session
in
window
concurrently
with
other
applications
and
to
cut
and
paste
between
the
telnet
session
and
other
applications
any
information
received
is
appreciated
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edu
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edu
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summary
codabar
font
date
wed
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edu
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edu
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oz
au
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edu
au
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edu
au
news
from
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edu
au
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blackman
subject
re
windows
zip
unzip
message
id
apr28
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canberra
edu
au
sender
news
csc
canberra
edu
au
organization
university
of
canberra
references
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h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
date
wed
apr
gmt
lines
in
article
rl9b6
h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
russ
deakin
oz
au
russ
sharp
writes
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
which
ones
are
available
and
does
any
one
stand
out
amongst
the
rest
is
there
full
windows
version
that
does
not
call
the
dos
pkzip
pkunzip
commands
yes
russ
there
is
quinzip
is
windows
version
but
don
think
it
handles
all
the
functions
available
in
the
dos
version
last
looked
quinzip
could
be
found
on
the
monash
university
australia
mirror
site
of
cica
so
assume
it
still
on
cica
itself
and
other
mirrors
have
look
in
the
util
directory
for
file
called
qzip21
zip
paul
blackman
pwb
science
canberra
edu
au
water
research
centre
pwb
aerg
canberra
edu
au
faculty
of
applied
science
university
of
canberra
australia
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little
love
and
get
high
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edu
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west
sun
com
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sun
com
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corp
sun
com
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from
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sun
com
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com
keywords
windows
sound
imf
midi
am
interested
to
know
if
there
is
know
procedure
document
to
configure
an
ibm
musci
feature
imf
card
to
work
as
the
sound
device
with
ms
windows
believe
the
imf
uses
the
same
fm
synth
chip
as
the
soun
blaster
but
didn
know
what
driver
to
use
or
how
to
configure
the
midi
mapper
any
help
past
success
suggestions
thanks
don
donald
finch
technical
support
engr
american
solution
centers
voice
microsystems
fax
email
don
finch
corp
sun
com
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edu
sol
ctr
columbia
edu
destroyer
cs
ubc
ca
alberta
kakwa
ucs
ualberta
ca
acs
ucalgary
ca
dbstrutt
from
dbstrutt
acs
ucalgary
ca
david
bryan
strutt
subject
re
help
with
changing
startup
logo
message
id
apr26
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ucalgary
ca
date
mon
apr
gmt
distribution
usa
references
rgtba
gtn
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digex
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host
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acs
ucalgary
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organization
the
university
of
calgary
alberta
lines
in
article
rgtba
gtn
access
digex
net
farley
access
digex
com
charles
farley
writes
know
this
is
probably
faq
but
installed
the
for
my
ati
graphics
card
and
it
bashed
my
windows
logo
files
when
start
windows
now
it
has
the
logo
instead
of
the
logo
thought
the
files
that
controlled
this
were
windows
system
vgalogo
rle
windows
system
vgalogo
lgo
restored
these
files
but
it
didn
change
the
logo
anyone
know
what
the
correct
files
are
believe
you
have
the
correct
files
think
what
you
ll
have
to
do
is
go
back
into
setup
and
choose
change
video
adapter
or
whatever
it
is
called
then
the
trick
is
choose
the
same
adaptor
you
currently
have
what
setup
does
is
it
actually
changes
the
file
win
com
whenever
you
go
into
it
and
change
the
video
hardware
selection
it
incorporates
the
contents
of
vgalogo
rle
into
win
com
when
you
do
this
this
trick
can
also
be
used
to
change
the
startup
logo
into
whatever
you
want
it
to
be
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works
under
pgm
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but
not
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has
anyone
observed
this
if
copy
large
say
file
large
pkzip
file
for
instance
to
my
floppy
drive
under
ms
windows
via
either
program
manager
or
dos
shell
the
file
copied
under
the
dos
shell
has
errors
whereas
the
file
copied
from
within
program
manager
does
not
the
corruption
is
detected
by
executing
pkunzip
file
zip
after
both
copies
the
file
copied
via
the
dos
shell
always
shows
corruption
now
here
the
kicker
have
many
windows
open
while
doing
this
both
dos
and
windows
apps
supposedly
all
windows
apps
share
the
same
time
slice
whereas
the
dos
apps
get
their
own
equal
time
slice
unless
overriden
so
as
an
example
have
windows
apps
open
multitasking
dos
sessions
running
and
one
execution
execlusive
dos
shell
iconized
inactive
under
this
scenario
cpu
time
is
divided
into
two
major
slices
one
for
all
the
windows
apps
and
one
slice
for
the
running
dos
app
when
copying
under
windows
pgm
mgr
ll
assume
the
other
windows
and
dos
tasks
are
essentially
inactive
thus
pgm
mgr
gets
say
of
the
windows
slice
and
of
the
execution
background
dos
shell
slices
thus
it
gets
or
of
the
total
available
cpu
time
when
copying
in
dos
shell
activate
the
execute
exclusive
mode
dos
shell
no
other
dos
background
tasks
allowed
full
screen
under
the
windows
task
manager
the
cpu
time
available
to
this
shell
would
be
of
the
windows
slice
assumming
inactive
windows
applications
and
of
the
dos
slice
or
of
the
total
available
cpu
time
so
why
do
get
copy
errors
under
dos
if
it
has
the
greater
amount
of
cpu
time
is
program
manager
working
in
pre
emptive
mode
during
the
floppy
copy
it
must
be
miscellaneous
data
running
windows
on
top
of
dos
qemm
rapidbios
sys
mbyte
smartdrive
no
delayed
writes
two
ramdrives
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mouse
driver
full
mbytes
motherboard
ram
kbyte
motherboard
cache
dx
mhz
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dos
edit
com
tsr
in
the
dos
shell
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help
me
cure
my
poor
computer
before
go
insane
have
problem
with
my
when
running
windows
that
appears
to
be
memory
related
it
actually
not
limited
to
windows
but
that
where
it
causes
most
of
my
problems
ths
machine
dx33
meg
ram
kcache
trident
tvga
card
pas
soundcard
windows
runs
really
really
slow
most
of
the
time
slower
than
on
my
old
sx16
graphics
draws
fills
are
slow
boots
are
slow
applications
are
sluggish
dialog
boxes
take
up
to
seconds
to
appear
note
some
of
my
other
non
windows
applications
do
funny
things
that
appear
to
be
related
several
run
slow
my
mod
player
crashes
the
system
etc
running
borland
before
running
windows
or
any
of
the
other
programs
completely
fixes
the
problem
windows
will
run
as
fast
as
ve
ever
seen
it
run
easily
times
faster
for
graphics
than
when
don
run
bc
beforehand
don
have
memory
manager
installed
in
config
sys
installing
emm386
exe
does
not
fix
the
problem
it
makes
it
worse
after
emm386
is
installed
running
bc
will
not
fix
the
problem
anymore
this
problem
is
driving
me
nuts
if
you
think
you
can
help
please
reply
through
the
mail
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be
so
kind
and
tell
me
the
date
and
possible
ftp
location
of
the
most
recent
win
printer
drivers
for
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deakin
oz
au
russ
sharp
writes
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
which
ones
are
available
and
does
any
one
stand
out
amongst
the
rest
is
there
full
windows
version
that
does
not
call
the
dos
pkzip
pkunzip
commands
do
you
mean
prog
that
doesn
jump
to
the
dos
display
and
then
back
or
create
temp
dos
window
if
yes
then
might
recommend
winzip
from
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
afraid
don
have
the
file
name
or
version
but
you
should
be
able
to
find
it
it
fully
compatible
with
ver
and
very
functional
later
phil
trodwell
this
space
be
happy
to
ram
goddam
volt
cattle
for
rent
prod
into
that
tub
with
you
right
now
but
not
cheap
this
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hunter
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barry
smith
writes
any
clue
some
times
when
enter
win
progman
says
that
need
to
rebuild
group
it
quite
annoying
ve
had
the
same
problem
with
maxtor
turned
off
smartdrive
bit
disk
access
etc
this
same
disk
aborts
norton
speed
disk
nu
up
to
times
requesting
ndd
to
be
run
when
attempting
to
defrag
drive
at
some
peoples
suggestion
reformatted
my
drive
and
reloaded
dos
win
from
scratch
few
people
found
that
installing
on
top
of
beta
on
top
of
caused
similar
problem
so
tried
this
drastic
solution
when
the
problem
reoccurred
didn
have
the
brains
not
to
load
and
dblespaced
the
drive
get
arround
the
annoyance
by
copying
my
grp
files
to
gro
when
get
the
message
run
file
manager
and
copy
the
offeniding
group
files
from
gro
ove
rthe
grp
then
quit
and
restart
windows
if
the
group
is
an
often
used
important
one
this
really
sucks
but
pretty
sure
that
the
problem
is
the
drive
especially
with
the
nsd
problem
will
be
going
with
out
over
of
my
memory
after
finals
for
to
weeks
while
the
guy
bought
the
disk
and
system
from
goes
over
it
and
either
fixes
it
or
replaces
the
drive
can
wait
to
have
system
that
will
run
consistently
with
all
hte
goodies
mike
hayes
knowledge
is
good
faber
college
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and
thoroughness
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motto
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tech
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you
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not
sure
whether
am
here
in
the
right
area
but
does
anybody
here
know
whether
windows
nt
does
will
include
windows
server
so
that
it
can
run
window
applications
remotely
no
it
does
not
insisting
on
perfect
safety
is
for
people
who
don
have
the
balls
to
live
in
the
real
world
mary
shafer
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daniel
mittleman
writes
this
may
be
an
faq
if
so
please
direct
me
to
the
known
answer
but
am
getting
frustrated
and
looking
for
help
am
running
win
with
ndw
on
sx
with
meg
of
memory
and
meg
perm
swap
file
and
am
getting
exceedingly
frustrated
that
my
applications
are
not
giving
back
system
resources
when
close
them
am
aware
this
is
known
problem
what
am
looking
for
are
some
suggestions
of
what
might
do
to
mitigate
it
what
software
is
the
culprit
win
ndw
my
applications
are
some
modes
of
win
standard
real
enhanced
better
than
others
at
plugging
this
leak
it
the
applications
that
do
this
unfortunately
even
the
applets
that
ship
with
win31
seem
to
have
this
problem
ve
seen
it
in
solitaire
for
example
are
their
system
ini
switches
can
set
to
help
plug
this
leak
none
that
know
of
if
an
application
doesn
give
back
the
resources
they
are
lost
and
gone
forever
pending
restart
of
windows
do
people
know
of
patches
or
third
party
software
that
help
with
this
seems
like
increasing
or
better
managing
system
resources
is
great
market
for
third
party
memory
company
like
qemm
if
the
applications
don
free
up
the
memory
and
lot
of
them
don
there
bugger
all
that
any
other
piece
of
software
can
do
about
it
if
run
progman
instead
of
ndw
will
the
leak
subside
was
hoping
that
ndw
would
have
plugged
this
but
it
seems
no
different
than
in
how
it
deals
with
memory
and
resources
no
this
is
problem
with
the
applications
usually
when
am
writing
vb
code
are
there
things
can
do
to
make
it
less
likely
my
code
will
eat
resources
there
are
books
written
on
this
one
in
general
just
be
sure
to
free
up
everything
that
you
ask
for
before
you
exit
unfortunately
understand
that
vb
will
internally
lose
resources
for
you
so
there
no
way
to
avoid
this
entirely
any
other
suggestions
that
don
know
enough
to
ask
for
specifically
thanks
for
your
help
as
this
is
common
problem
and
have
seen
only
little
discussion
of
it
on
the
net
there
are
probably
others
who
would
like
to
read
answers
so
please
publish
here
rather
than
sending
me
email
there
little
discussion
because
it
inevitable
until
ms
manages
to
come
up
with
an
os
that
will
do
garbage
collection
or
something
on
the
resource
pool
insisting
on
perfect
safety
is
for
people
who
don
have
the
balls
to
live
in
the
real
world
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shafer
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use
file
manager
disk
copy
find
that
windows
can
read
the
whole
mb
disk
at
one
time
but
only
of
disk
it
looks
like
problem
of
memory
however
the
pc
has
mb
ram
there
should
be
some
way
to
allocat
more
extended
memory
for
disk
copy
please
advise
me
on
this
matter
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am
not
sure
whether
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here
in
the
right
area
but
does
anybody
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know
whether
windows
nt
does
will
include
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server
so
that
it
can
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window
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remotely
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it
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posting
host
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waterloo
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com
organization
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panacom
div
waterloo
on
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thomas
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nd
edu
nd
edu
wrote
size
is
another
factor
the
bj
is
much
smaller
but
the
hp
is
built
like
tank
bet
the
bj
would
get
damaged
first
you
bet
your
bippy
it
built
like
tank
and
not
just
mechanically
either
this
past
weekend
we
had
nasty
thunderstorm
and
the
impossible
happened
got
direct
lightning
strike
on
my
house
and
to
the
second
floor
outlet
box
into
which
my
faithful
deskjet
was
connected
there
was
bullet
sized
hole
in
the
aluminum
siding
with
some
solidified
aluminum
slag
dripping
from
it
you
could
actually
see
the
electrical
box
through
the
hole
the
outlet
itself
was
fried
and
still
amazed
the
whole
damn
house
didn
burn
down
lost
electric
garage
door
openers
vcr
telephones
all
of
which
were
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
house
zyxel
high
speed
modem
vga
monitor
x768
color
monitor
the
rs232
and
parallel
ports
on
my
terminal
and
wd
lan
card
in
my
pc
not
good
night
but
the
deskjet
ran
as
soon
as
found
functioning
serial
and
parallel
port
to
connect
to
it
ted
slightly
singed
rypma
hp
panacom
division
waterloo
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gmt
lines
trying
to
get
hold
of
an
ibm
quietwriter
ii
printer
driver
for
windows
if
such
beast
exists
can
someone
suggest
how
get
it
please
mail
me
reply
directly
as
don
normally
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group
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wrote
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eng
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replacement
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apr
gmt
replacements
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win3
program
manager
and
file
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wiliki
eng
hawaii
edu
hi
ve
been
using
plannet
crafter
plug
in
for
program
manager
its
listed
in
most
bbs
es
as
plugin13
its
an
add
on
which
gives
some
needed
features
to
progman
such
as
the
ability
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better
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your
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change
your
cursor
and
icons
on
the
fly
constant
status
of
ram
and
resources
quick
menu
drop
down
menu
of
dos
commands
or
app
launcher
plus
some
other
neat
stuff
used
it
liked
it
and
even
reg
it
if
you
can
find
it
anywhere
let
me
know
and
ll
zip
it
up
and
mail
it
to
you
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version
of
course
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es
all
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from
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rockefeller
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re
actix
video
card
drivers
for
windows
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id
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gmt
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au
wrote
in
apr24
jarvis
csri
toronto
edu
wongda
eecg
toronto
edu
daniel
wong
writes
am
looking
for
the
latest
drivers
for
the
actix
graphics
accelerator
card
the
driver
am
currently
using
is
version
and
doesn
support
more
than
colors
in
x768
mode
even
you
have
mb
memory
the
bbs
support
for
actix
is
unbelievable
they
are
still
using
bps
modem
it
will
take
you
hours
to
download
the
drivers
it
hurts
when
you
are
calling
long
distance
is
there
any
ftp
site
that
has
collection
of
video
drivers
for
windows
good
but
where
are
these
drivers
daniel
wong
uoft
anybody
at
actix
listening
upload
the
dang
drivers
to
an
ftp
site
pleeeeeeese
or
somebody
get
them
by
local
call
and
contact
ftp
site
for
uploading
if
this
is
not
possible
can
keep
them
on
my
disk
and
email
the
at
request
uuencoded
provided
that
somebody
sends
them
to
me
of
cource
live
in
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the
preferred
applications
development
platform
according
to
of
the
fortune
corporations
survey
by
sentry
market
research
survey
all
percentages
unix
mainframe
dos
msw
os
midrange
this
is
from
corporate
computing
may
page
it
interesting
to
see
how
the
greatest
vapour
project
of
the
world
has
not
been
able
to
make
much
of
difference
here
before
you
think
it
interesting
rag
they
have
this
incredibly
incompetent
article
opinion
piece
by
someone
named
robert
ziff
which
has
preposturous
statements
like
sun
has
sold
around
multiprocessing
servers
in
that
case
usc
has
around
of
all
sun
mp
servers
on
earth
he
is
off
by
factor
of
thought
of
sending
them
factual
disaster
email
message
they
have
column
titled
how
to
contact
us
but
being
silly
pcheads
they
seem
to
have
never
heard
of
the
internet
these
may
also
be
of
interest
world
computer
market
share
by
broad
category
dos
windows
netware
unix
ibm
mainframe
vax
vms
ibm
minis
macintosh
other
totally
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are
by
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world
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hardware
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billion
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workstations
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large
scale
pc
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million
total
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do
not
post
bitmaps
lines
from
pwiseman
salmon
usd
edu
cliff
organization
university
of
south
dakota
subject
roman
bmp
in
response
to
the
requests
for
cool
bitmaps
am
posting
one
date
pm
due
to
the
resolution
and
size
it
is
in
parts
this
is
uuencoded
bitmap
x600
colors
the
picture
is
marbled
gazebo
on
desert
with
blue
sky
background
the
size
is
just
right
for
centered
wallpaper
on
x768
display
because
it
leaves
border
at
the
bottom
just
big
enough
for
icons
to
fit
in
without
being
on
top
of
the
picture
reguarding
image
quality
and
resolution
have
not
seen
much
better
please
do
not
do
this
don
know
how
the
rest
of
you
read
news
but
here
how
do
it
subscribe
to
an
outernet
system
which
allows
me
to
dial
up
via
modem
and
download
mail
and
news
articles
automatically
when
someone
posts
huge
attached
binary
file
have
no
choice
but
to
receive
it
along
with
all
the
other
new
articles
in
the
groups
subscribe
to
also
pay
for
the
connect
time
which
is
normally
not
problem
because
have
modem
and
each
day
upload
download
session
takes
only
minutes
or
so
today
session
however
lasted
about
minutes
because
of
roman
bmp
consequently
it
cost
me
about
extra
just
to
receive
file
that
didn
want
in
the
first
place
if
you
have
cool
bitmaps
that
you
want
to
make
available
there
are
other
ways
to
do
it
either
upload
the
file
to
an
ftp
site
like
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
which
has
complete
windows
section
and
tell
people
how
to
get
to
it
or
use
one
of
the
newsgroups
like
alt
binaries
pictures
or
something
like
that
which
are
file
archives
rather
than
discussion
groups
don
use
discussion
groups
like
this
one
to
send
out
attached
files
especially
when
they
re
in
size
thanks
ed
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re
ms
mouse
driver
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to
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phoenix
princeton
edu
carlosn
carlos
niederstrasser
writes
does
anyone
have
the
documentation
for
the
ms
mouse
driver
got
it
when
got
windows
but
my
windows
manual
does
not
come
with
the
documentation
in
particular
need
to
know
how
to
turn
it
off
and
how
to
speed
it
up
outside
windows
the
greater
sensitivity
is
needed
so
can
play
various
games
esp
wing
the
sensitivity
is
changed
using
the
or
parameter
the
commands
do
the
following
vertical
sensitivity
horizontal
sensitivity
both
follow
the
parameter
with
number
from
to
slowest
fastest
the
default
is
you
can
type
the
command
mouse
s75
right
from
the
keyboard
or
add
it
to
autoexec
bat
hope
this
helps
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utexas
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uunet
pipex
sunic
ugle
unit
no
troll
sipaa
sintef
no
bjorn
myrland
from
bjorn
myrland
sipaa
sintef
no
bjorn
myrland
subject
re
why
not
using
dos
anymore
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no
eliza
tigern
elisabeth
bull
writes
from
eliza
tigern
elisabeth
bull
subject
re
why
not
using
dos
anymore
date
wed
apr
gmt
mark
woodruff
cda90038
ucf1vm
bitnet
wrote
this
morning
at
am
while
was
working
on
my
research
paper
had
to
reboot
hung
dos
program
that
did
no
disk
from
within
windows
when
my
machine
finished
rebooting
found
my
windows
directory
and
about
two
thirds
of
my
other
directories
were
irreversibly
corrupted
stuff
deleted
this
sounds
like
what
happened
to
my
hd
month
ago
my
hd
was
stacked
with
stacker
run
dos5
suddenly
everything
hung
up
and
most
of
the
hd
got
corrupted
directories
changed
into
unreadable
files
with
funny
names
in
other
words
it
is
probably
just
the
doubledisk
part
of
dos6
that
is
troublesome
now
use
stacker
and
so
far
have
had
no
trouble
does
this
need
to
have
anything
to
do
with
disk
compression
have
experienced
the
same
thing
couple
of
times
myself
but
without
any
disk
compression
stuff
installed
for
example
guess
what
happened
when
norton
speeddisk
once
crashed
during
defragmenting
bjorn
bjorn
myrland
bjorn
myrland
sipaa
sintef
no
sintef
safety
and
reliability
trondheim
norway
sintef
the
foundation
for
scientific
and
industrial
research
at
the
norwegian
institute
of
technology
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have
an
eisa
machine
and
just
do
not
understand
why
most
eisa
video
cards
only
match
the
performance
of
their
isa
counterparts
for
instance
the
eisa
orchid
pro
designer
iis
is
only
about
as
fast
as
the
isa
diamond
speedstar
plus
which
isn
what
would
call
fast
don
understand
why
eisa
video
cards
aren
as
group
on
the
same
level
of
performance
as
local
bus
cards
given
that
eisa
video
cards
have
bit
bus
to
move
data
around
instead
of
isa
bits
good
question
answer
the
eisa
bus
does
move
bits
rather
than
isa
but
it
still
moves
it
at
about
the
speed
as
the
isa
bus
think
that
either
or
mhz
the
local
bus
designs
also
move
bits
like
the
eisa
but
they
move
the
data
at
the
cpu
speed
up
to
mhz
so
on
mhz
cpu
the
local
bus
is
moving
bit
data
at
mhz
and
the
eisa
is
moving
bit
data
at
or
mhz
so
the
local
bus
should
be
to
times
faster
than
eisa
on
mhz
cpu
eisa
should
be
about
two
maybe
times
as
fast
as
isa
since
they
are
not
why
would
anyone
me
included
pay
higher
cost
for
eisa
video
card
when
its
performance
is
no
better
than
and
often
worse
that
much
cheaper
isa
video
board
such
as
diamond
speedstar
from
pc
magazine
think
recent
report
know
that
ati
makes
pretty
fast
eisa
video
card
but
it
around
which
is
just
about
double
what
my
wallet
will
allow
me
to
spend
and
for
could
get
diamond
viper
and
still
have
left
over
of
course
have
to
get
local
bus
mother
board
too
that
very
good
question
the
eisa
bus
does
have
more
advantages
over
the
isa
bus
than
just
it
width
for
example
more
better
interrupts
and
bus
mastering
but
these
other
factors
do
not
impact
video
card
very
much
they
have
more
impact
on
file
servers
with
multiple
hard
drives
full
throttle
network
cards
cd
roms
etc
can
anyone
shed
some
light
on
my
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anybody
here
know
whether
windows
nt
does
will
include
windows
server
could
you
add
some
information
to
no
it
does
not
say
for
instance
your
source
of
information
source
for
does
not
comment
the
cd
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and
manuals
for
the
march
beta
there
is
no
windows
server
there
will
there
be
of
course
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if
microsoft
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one
with
nt
other
vendors
will
no
doubt
port
their
to
nt
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to
recent
newsletter
from
hummingbird
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ltd
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announced
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at
uniforum
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announcement
reads
like
it
is
here
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the
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stories
about
dos6
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and
stacker
killing
hard
drives
was
wondering
if
the
dos
mirror
command
works
on
the
doubled
drive
info
as
well
as
the
normal
fat
table
and
partition
table
if
it
records
the
vital
doubledisk
info
then
using
it
daily
should
go
long
way
toward
protecting
yourself
against
the
type
of
catastrophic
failure
discussed
if
it
doesn
then
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on
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ve
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older
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old
as
in
uses
keyboard
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and
uses
memory
interleaving
rather
than
caching
it
has
developed
problem
where
trying
to
copy
files
from
floppy
cause
the
machine
to
lock
up
reset
button
required
but
only
when
in
enhanced
mode
this
occurs
in
norton
desktop
file
manager
and
when
trying
to
install
software
running
win
in
standard
mode
works
fine
has
anyone
run
into
this
any
ideas
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this
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be
an
faq
if
so
please
direct
me
to
the
known
answer
but
am
getting
frustrated
and
looking
for
help
am
running
win
with
ndw
on
sx
with
meg
of
memory
and
meg
perm
swap
file
and
am
getting
exceedingly
frustrated
that
my
applications
are
not
giving
back
system
resources
when
close
them
ve
noticed
this
also
the
way
it
was
explained
to
me
is
that
windows
does
not
clear
the
upper
memory
blocks
after
program
is
done
anyone
out
there
know
if
this
is
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at
work
and
is
hooked
up
to
novell
network
running
netware
the
problem
he
having
is
that
the
doublespace
program
is
using
drive
as
the
swap
drive
which
is
confliting
with
the
networks
mapped
drives
is
there
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to
place
the
swap
drive
to
someother
drive
please
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have
sx
and
recently
added
scsi
drive
to
my
system
using
an
adaptec
non
busmastering
controller
yesterday
ran
coretest
to
find
out
drive
performance
and
these
are
the
values
got
seagate
meg
kb
sec
ms
avg
seek
ms
track
to
track
quantum
meg
scsi
kb
sec
avg
seek
track
to
track
first
off
all
are
these
good
results
don
know
what
typical
values
are
what
wondering
now
is
the
following
my
swap
file
is
currently
on
the
ide
could
move
it
to
the
scsi
which
is
faster
but
then
would
not
be
able
to
use
bit
access
which
might
actuall
make
it
slower
so
on
which
drive
should
put
my
swap
file
to
get
best
results
is
there
swap
file
speed
test
program
out
there
finally
also
ran
the
above
tests
with
the
aspi2dos
driver
loaded
and
got
no
difference
whatsoever
in
performance
is
there
any
reason
at
all
why
should
load
this
driver
thanks
in
advance
will
post
summary
if
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enough
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my
pc
almost
exclusively
run
windows
the
only
dos
based
application
have
is
procommplus
in
my
config
sys
have
emm386
loaded
with
the
option
noems
no
expanded
memory
following
thread
in
one
of
the
comp
newsgroups
read
that
it
was
no
necessary
to
have
emm386
loaded
indeed
in
the
manual
it
says
that
emm386
is
used
to
get
expanded
memory
out
of
extended
memory
since
have
the
noems
option
it
seems
to
me
that
the
emm386
device
is
useless
in
my
case
should
use
emm386
or
should
remove
it
from
my
config
sys
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your
help
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applications
development
platform
according
to
of
the
fortune
corporations
survey
by
sentry
market
research
survey
all
percentages
unix
mainframe
dos
msw
os
midrange
this
is
from
corporate
computing
may
page
it
interesting
to
see
how
the
greatest
vapour
project
of
the
world
has
not
been
able
to
make
much
of
difference
here
world
computer
market
share
by
broad
category
dos
windows
netware
unix
ibm
mainframe
vax
vms
ibm
minis
macintosh
other
projections
are
by
idc
source
unix
world
jan
sombody
data
is
wrong
since
mac
os
finder
systerm
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
doesn
appear
in
the
first
survey
tend
to
doubt
their
results
more
just
because
sombody
wrote
it
doesn
mean
its
correct
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writes
have
sx
and
recently
added
scsi
drive
to
my
system
using
an
adaptec
non
busmastering
controller
yesterday
ran
coretest
to
find
out
drive
performance
and
these
are
the
values
got
seagate
meg
kb
sec
ms
avg
seek
ms
track
to
track
quantum
meg
scsi
kb
sec
avg
seek
track
to
track
first
off
all
are
these
good
results
don
know
what
typical
values
are
those
are
pretty
typical
believe
what
wondering
now
is
the
following
my
swap
file
is
currently
on
the
ide
could
move
it
to
the
scsi
which
is
faster
but
then
would
not
be
able
to
use
bit
access
which
might
actuall
make
it
slower
so
on
which
drive
should
put
my
swap
file
to
get
best
results
is
there
swap
file
speed
test
program
out
there
keep
the
swap
file
on
the
ide
bit
access
is
worth
fair
amount
more
than
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if
she
does
an
alt
tab
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full
screen
dos
program
when
she
goes
back
to
windows
her
desktop
fonts
have
changed
if
she
goes
back
to
full
screen
dos
program
and
then
goes
back
to
windows
the
font
has
changed
back
to
its
default
font
it
not
major
problem
everything
works
and
the
font
is
legible
but
it
is
annoying
does
anyone
have
any
idea
why
this
happens
by
the
way
she
has
dec
d2lp
machine
jeffrey
cohen
voice
office
for
research
ad
fax
the
university
at
albany
mail
jc924
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albany
edu
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university
of
new
york
washington
ave
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ny
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com
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com
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com
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eng
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edu
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ying
yuan
writes
hi
there
could
someone
please
suggest
one
of
the
better
shareware
replacements
for
win3
program
manager
and
file
manager
and
which
ftp
site
are
they
located
at
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advance
for
mail
response
please
post
your
response
as
well
think
many
would
be
interested
in
this
one
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you
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nt
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kingston
ac
uk
hi
am
thinking
of
upgrading
to
the
beta
version
of
windows
nt
on
sx
mhz
mb
hard
disc
can
someone
please
give
me
there
opion
on
such
setup
for
running
nt
and
is
the
operating
system
likely
to
be
better
than
windows
or
unix
steve
ee
d316
uk
ac
king
ceres
xref
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ms
windows
setup
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
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cc
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edu
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ohio
state
edu
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sol
ctr
columbia
edu
eff
ssd
intel
com
ichips
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from
mlin
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nodomain
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lin
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ms
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subject
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ati
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id
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com
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organization
workgroup
computing
division
pdx
intel
lines
hi
there
plan
on
upgrading
my
monitor
and
video
card
to
x1024
have
dx2
isa
no
local
bus
system
would
appreciate
if
anyone
can
drop
me
an
email
of
your
experience
with
high
resolution
video
board
monitor
thanks
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lin
mlin
ichips
intel
com
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sys
ibm
pc
misc
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
newsgroups
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sys
ibm
pc
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ms
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uiuc
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from
gmichael
vmd
cso
uiuc
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gary
michael
subject
vesa
driver
for
ibm
xga
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gmt
message
id
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uiuc
edu
sender
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uiuc
edu
net
noise
owner
organization
office
for
information
management
university
of
illinois
lines
can
anyone
tell
me
where
to
find
standard
vesa
display
driver
that
will
support
the
on
the
motherboard
xga
video
of
mz
dx2
ibm
model
lf
need
to
use
and
higher
resolutions
under
both
windows
and
ms
dos
minimum
colors
at
highest
resolution
with
colors
needed
at
gary
michael
phone
associate
director
fax
office
for
information
management
mail
gmichael
vmd
cso
uiuc
edu
university
of
illinois
david
kinley
hall
novanet
gary
michael
duosoft
cerl
west
gregory
drive
urbana
il
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ms
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state
edu
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ohio
state
edu
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mps
ohio
state
edu
cs
utexas
edu
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network
ucsd
edu
pacbell
com
kjkeirn
from
kjkeirn
srv
pacbell
com
ken
keirnan
subject
fast
display
adaptors
for
windows
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id
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com
sender
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com
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bell
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bell
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apr
gmt
lines
friend
and
have
ati
graphic
ultra
display
adaptors
and
they
have
been
reasonably
good
performers
but
we
both
have
had
irritating
compatibility
problems
with
the
ati
drivers
and
are
ready
to
change
to
something
faster
and
more
compatible
with
windows
have
heard
rumblings
that
the
new
orchid
card
is
very
fast
anyone
have
experience
with
this
card
what
is
currently
available
that
is
fast
compatible
does
x1024x256
non
interlaced
and
cost
under
ken
keirnan
ken
keirnan
pacific
bell
kjkeirn
srv
pacbell
com
san
ramon
california
newsgroups
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ms
windows
misc
path
cantaloupe
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ppath
uiuc
edu
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from
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ux1
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uiuc
edu
ardie
mack
subject
re
emm386
and
windows
date
fri
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gmt
message
id
ardie
ux1
cso
uiuc
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us
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com
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net
noise
owner
organization
department
of
plant
pathology
lines
on
my
pc
almost
exclusively
run
windows
the
only
dos
based
application
have
is
procommplus
in
my
config
sys
have
emm386
loaded
with
the
option
noems
no
expanded
memory
following
thread
in
one
of
the
comp
newsgroups
read
that
it
was
no
necessary
to
have
emm386
loaded
indeed
in
the
manual
it
says
that
emm386
is
used
to
get
expanded
memory
out
of
extended
memory
since
have
the
noems
option
it
seems
to
me
that
the
emm386
device
is
useless
in
my
case
should
use
emm386
or
should
remove
it
from
my
config
sys
thanks
for
your
help
eric
emm386
noems
enables
the
system
to
use
the
upper
memory
between
and
that
good
place
for
device
drivers
dos
kernal
etc
keep
it
in
xref
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
windows
advocacy
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
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edu
concert
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news
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edu
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from
kdb
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mc
duke
edu
mc
duke
edu
kurt
bollacker
newsgroups
alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
windows
advocacy
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
subject
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
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edu
date
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gmt
sender
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edu
followup
to
alt
fan
bill
gates
lines
nntp
posting
host
dukebar
mc
duke
edu
newsreader
tin
version
pl9
microsoft
is
the
largest
software
company
on
the
planet
yet
cannot
think
of
even
one
computing
concept
that
they
innovated
and
brought
to
market
before
anyone
else
xerox
parc
apple
osborne
next
gnu
and
others
have
been
pioneers
and
led
the
way
to
the
future
of
computing
what
has
microsoft
done
to
be
technological
leader
posted
this
question
before
but
got
nary
reply
make
the
challenge
now
to
anyone
who
can
come
up
with
something
especially
microsoft
employees
get
no
response
this
time
guess
it
pretty
much
assures
me
that
there
is
none
which
is
what
suspect
anyway
kurt
bollacker
duke
university
medical
center
kdb
sunbar
mc
duke
edu
durham
nc
xref
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srv
cs
cmu
edu
alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
windows
advocacy
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
newsgroups
alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
windows
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comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
cantaloupe
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cs
cmu
edu
das
news
harvard
edu
noc
near
net
howland
reston
ans
net
gatech
concert
samba
usenet
from
dil
admin
mhs
unc
edu
dave
laudicina
subject
re
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
apr30
samba
oit
unc
edu
sender
usenet
samba
oit
unc
edu
nntp
posting
host
dil
adp
unc
edu
organization
unc
office
of
information
technology
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
microsoft
is
the
largest
software
company
on
the
planet
yet
cannot
think
of
even
one
computing
concept
that
they
innovated
and
brought
to
market
before
anyone
else
xerox
parc
apple
osborne
next
gnu
and
others
have
been
pioneers
and
led
the
way
to
the
future
of
computing
what
has
microsoft
done
to
be
technological
leader
posted
this
question
before
but
got
nary
reply
make
the
challenge
now
to
anyone
who
can
come
up
with
something
especially
microsoft
employees
get
no
response
this
time
guess
it
pretty
much
assures
me
that
there
is
none
which
is
what
suspect
anyway
really
when
you
come
down
to
it
who
cares
just
hope
ms
keeps
doing
what
they
do
best
getting
usable
productive
software
to
the
masses
thx
dave
path
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state
edu
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ohio
state
edu
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reston
ans
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ca
mala
bc
ca
apland
from
apland
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ca
ron
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subject
re
dos6
novell
netware
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id
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bc
ca
date
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references
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usenet
ins
cwru
edu
organization
malaspina
college
lines
in
article
rre2d
usenet
ins
cwru
edu
cu826
cleveland
freenet
edu
mahbub
anam
writes
friend
of
mine
installed
dos6
at
work
and
is
hooked
up
to
novell
network
running
netware
the
problem
he
having
is
that
the
doublespace
program
is
using
drive
as
the
swap
drive
which
is
confliting
with
the
networks
mapped
drives
is
there
switch
to
place
the
swap
drive
to
someother
drive
please
mail
thanks
bunch
mahbub
cu826
cleveland
freenet
edu
determine
the
last
dblspace
drive
required
and
set
that
as
lastdrive
in
your
config
sys
if
you
are
using
w4ww
you
might
want
to
go
couple
of
drives
higher
to
give
you
some
shared
drive
space
reboot
and
novell
will
set
its
first
drive
one
above
the
lastdrive
in
config
sys
you
might
have
to
remap
some
of
your
novell
drives
if
they
were
originally
mapped
to
lower
drives
make
sure
that
the
bat
file
or
whatever
you
are
using
to
log
onto
novell
is
set
to
the
correct
drive
one
above
the
lastdrive
setting
in
the
config
sys
file
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
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news
harvard
edu
noc
near
net
howland
reston
ans
net
agate
dog
ee
lbl
gov
network
ucsd
edu
adean
from
adean
weber
ucsd
edu
anthony
dean
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ms
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misc
subject
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date
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gmt
organization
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of
california
at
san
diego
lines
distribution
usa
message
id
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network
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edu
nntp
posting
host
weber
ucsd
edu
hi
like
to
substitute
the
exciting
win3
opening
logo
for
our
own
company
logo
at
boot
up
time
is
this
matter
of
replacing
the
logo
file
with
our
own
logo
and
what
format
should
the
company
logo
be
in
thanks
avdean
xref
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
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comp
unix
misc
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
comp
os
os2
advocacy
newsgroups
comp
unix
misc
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
comp
os
os2
advocacy
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
rochester
udel
gatech
howland
reston
ans
net
zaphod
mps
ohio
state
edu
sdd
hp
com
decwrl
decwrl
netcomsv
netcom
com
messina
from
messina
netcom
com
tony
porczyk
subject
re
some
info
the
dos
msw
meltdown
is
progressing
nicely
message
id
messinac6b7zl
iho
netcom
com
organization
messina
software
references
rqn1f
n3k
almaak
usc
edu
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
ajayshah
almaak
usc
edu
ajay
shah
writes
the
preferred
applications
development
platform
according
to
of
the
fortune
corporations
survey
by
sentry
market
research
survey
unix
mainframe
dos
msw
development
of
what
in
house
apps
maybe
but
certainly
not
apps
to
be
sold
on
an
open
market
statistics
like
that
are
laughable
because
they
may
simply
mean
that
there
are
not
enough
shrink
wrapped
usable
apps
for
unix
and
they
have
to
be
developed
disproportionately
often
as
compared
to
the
installed
unix
base
xref
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
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alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
windows
advocacy
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
newsgroups
alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
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comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
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cs
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magnesium
club
cc
cmu
edu
news
sei
cmu
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cis
ohio
state
edu
sample
eng
ohio
state
edu
purdue
mentor
cc
purdue
edu
noose
ecn
purdue
edu
soils
ecn
purdue
edu
dev
from
dev
soils
ecn
purdue
edu
larry
weeks
subject
re
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
c6b79g
noose
ecn
purdue
edu
sender
news
noose
ecn
purdue
edu
usenet
news
organization
purdue
university
engineering
computer
network
references
apr30
samba
oit
unc
edu
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
dil
admin
mhs
unc
edu
dave
laudicina
once
wrote
microsoft
is
the
largest
software
company
on
the
planet
yet
cannot
think
of
even
one
computing
concept
that
they
innovated
and
brought
to
market
before
anyone
else
xerox
parc
apple
osborne
next
gnu
and
others
have
been
pioneers
and
led
the
way
to
the
future
of
computing
what
has
microsoft
done
to
be
technological
leader
posted
this
question
before
but
got
nary
reply
make
the
challenge
now
to
anyone
who
can
come
up
with
something
especially
microsoft
employees
get
no
response
this
time
guess
it
pretty
much
assures
me
that
there
is
none
which
is
what
suspect
anyway
really
when
you
come
down
to
it
who
cares
just
hope
ms
keeps
doing
what
they
do
best
getting
usable
productive
software
to
the
masses
personally
ll
be
blasphemous
and
say
that
if
microsoft
keeps
doing
what
it
does
so
well
hope
to
see
much
harsher
stricter
copyright
and
patent
laws
for
computer
algorithms
concepts
interfaces
and
other
intellectual
properties
to
protect
real
innovators
hate
to
be
one
who
actually
does
innovate
and
then
have
microsoft
come
in
like
huge
vulture
and
use
their
brute
mass
development
staff
marketing
etc
to
get
fat
off
of
my
innovation
don
have
all
that
much
sympathy
for
apple
complaint
against
microsoft
since
they
just
took
the
ideas
from
xerox
pa
research
center
when
the
federal
government
forced
xerox
to
disclose
their
patents
over
antitrust
fears
however
for
other
companies
and
individuals
who
have
great
idea
yet
get
it
borrowed
by
larger
corporations
who
can
afford
to
quickly
bring
it
to
market
without
any
licensing
from
the
original
innovator
feel
much
sympathy
larry
larry
weeks
those
who
fight
monsters
should
make
sure
that
dev
ecn
purdue
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in
the
process
he
does
not
become
monster
and
when
you
look
long
into
an
abyss
the
abyss
also
looks
into
you
friedrich
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lines
know
that
ve
seen
this
question
asked
before
but
don
remember
seeing
any
answers
so
here
it
is
again
does
any
one
know
of
an
ftp
site
where
the
wd90c31
driver
might
reside
ve
checked
cica
and
sure
it
not
there
refering
to
the
new
version
of
the
driver
that
came
out
in
have
seen
it
on
serve
but
hesitate
to
meg
at
bps
unless
really
have
to
alternativly
is
it
possible
to
get
paradise
or
wd
to
mail
me
the
new
drivers
or
don
they
do
that
finally
is
it
even
worth
the
hassle
of
getting
these
things
or
is
there
not
much
improvement
over
my
version
thanks
for
the
info
peter
peter
st
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n4yrj
internet
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of
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subject
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to
change
an
icon
for
program
in
windows
message
id
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organization
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of
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lines
suppose
you
want
to
change
the
particular
icon
for
program
in
windows
such
as
the
ms
dos
one
would
someone
let
me
know
how
you
can
do
this
thanks
million
chad
toelle
toelle
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st
philip
rd
or
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vernon
in
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format
of
word
for
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id
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am
trying
to
develop
utility
to
view
word
for
window
file
but
to
do
that
need
to
know
the
format
of
the
doc
word
for
window
file
format
files
can
anybody
tell
me
what
is
the
format
of
doc
file
or
direct
me
where
can
get
it
or
is
it
proprietory
format
your
help
is
greatly
appriciated
thanks
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ans
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id
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uk
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gmt
lines
looking
for
way
to
get
our
company
logo
onto
documents
and
figure
the
easiest
way
is
to
put
it
into
font
are
there
any
public
domain
programs
that
can
do
this
is
there
any
shareware
that
will
do
this
any
help
is
appreciated
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paul
wilson
pwilson
gandalf
ca
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re
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to
microsoft
supporters
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mc
duke
edu
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writes
from
kdb
sunbar
mc
duke
edu
mc
duke
edu
kurt
bollacker
subject
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
date
apr
gmt
microsoft
is
the
largest
software
company
on
the
planet
yet
cannot
think
of
even
one
computing
concept
that
they
innovated
and
brought
to
market
before
anyone
else
xerox
parc
apple
osborne
next
gnu
and
others
have
been
pioneers
and
led
the
way
to
the
future
of
computing
what
has
microsoft
done
to
be
technological
leader
posted
this
question
before
but
got
nary
reply
make
the
challenge
now
to
anyone
who
can
come
up
with
something
especially
microsoft
employees
get
no
response
this
time
guess
it
pretty
much
assures
me
that
there
is
none
which
is
what
suspect
anyway
kurt
bollacker
duke
university
medical
center
kdb
sunbar
mc
duke
edu
durham
nc
they
invented
the
how
to
make
money
on
others
ideas
they
made
money
they
weren
in
the
air
at
the
wrong
time
admit
it
billg
is
damn
smart
guy
how
many
out
there
can
make
money
on
almost
useless
products
useless
even
if
you
look
at
the
time
dos
were
written
it
stinked
already
then
if
could
choose
one
marketing
guy
in
the
world
think
would
choose
him
he
so
good
that
almost
everyone
hates
him
but
they
still
use
his
stuff
thomasez
not
perfect
but
perfect
for
you
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from
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ibm
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subject
x11
servers
for
ms
windows
available
sender
news
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watson
ibm
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news
poster
message
id
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watson
ibm
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date
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gmt
news
software
ibm
os
pm
rn
nr
v0
by
vishnepolsky
and
rogers
lines
reply
to
kaul
vnet
ibm
com
disclaimer
this
posting
represents
the
poster
views
not
necessarily
those
of
ibm
nntp
posting
host
kaul
bocaraton
ibm
com
organization
ibm
boca
raton
visual
subsystems
have
the
text
on
the
non
un
x11
servers
so
do
know
that
there
are
x11
servers
available
for
use
with
mswindows
my
question
is
does
anybody
have
any
relevant
information
on
the
usability
of
these
servers
has
anyone
tried
to
use
them
on
token
ring
network
and
gotten
them
to
work
dick
kaul
my
opinions
only
not
official
ibm
positions
etc
ibm
xga
development
they
make
me
wear
suit
if
were
to
speak
for
ibm
boca
raton
fl
the
use
of
unnecessary
violence
in
the
apprehension
kaul
vnet
ibm
com
of
the
blues
brothers
has
been
approved
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and
rogers
lines
reply
to
kaul
vnet
ibm
com
disclaimer
this
posting
represents
the
poster
views
not
necessarily
those
of
ibm
references
gmichael
vmd
cso
uiuc
edu
nntp
posting
host
kaul
bocaraton
ibm
com
organization
ibm
boca
raton
visual
subsystems
in
gmichael
vmd
cso
uiuc
edu
gmichael
vmd
cso
uiuc
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gary
michael
writes
can
anyone
tell
me
where
to
find
standard
vesa
display
driver
that
will
support
the
on
the
motherboard
xga
video
of
mz
dx2
ibm
model
lf
need
to
use
and
higher
resolutions
under
both
windows
and
ms
dos
minimum
colors
at
highest
resolution
with
colors
needed
at
the
ibm
xga
svga
vesa
driver
is
on
the
reference
diskette
available
from
the
ibm
bbs
it
also
on
compu
erve
or
you
can
bang
on
your
sales
rep
to
get
you
later
version
dick
kaul
my
opinions
only
not
official
ibm
positions
etc
ibm
xga
development
they
make
me
wear
suit
if
were
to
speak
for
ibm
boca
raton
fl
the
use
of
unnecessary
violence
in
the
apprehension
kaul
vnet
ibm
com
of
the
blues
brothers
has
been
approved
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sura
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reinacker
from
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to
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reinacker
ftcollinsco
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com
organization
ncr
microelectronics
ft
collins
co
lines
have
uploaded
the
windows
on
line
review
shareware
edition
to
ftp
cica
indiana
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as
pub
pc
win3
uploads
wolrs7
zip
it
is
an
on
line
magazine
which
contains
reviews
of
some
shareware
products
grabbed
it
from
the
windows
on
line
bbs
greg
reinacker
x9289
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microelectronic
products
division
voiceplus
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court
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ub
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cmj
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buffalo
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johnson
subject
re
how
redirect
print
manager
to
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id
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ub
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reed
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misc
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cc
nctu
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tw
by
swh
am
apr
hello
who
can
tell
me
where
can
find
the
pd
or
shareware
which
can
capture
windows
output
of
printer
mananger
if
you
are
planning
on
using
this
on
regular
basis
conncting
the
printer
to
file
can
become
bothersome
because
windows
then
asks
you
for
the
filename
that
you
want
to
create
ve
found
that
putting
line
in
system
ini
in
the
ports
section
with
just
path
and
filename
works
the
only
problem
is
that
if
you
send
more
than
one
job
the
second
one
deletes
the
first
chris
cmj
acsu
buffalo
edu
is
christopher
johnson
pgp
public
key
encryption
for
the
masses
disclaimer
didn
say
that
pgp
encrypted
mail
welcome
pgp
public
key
pgp
public
keys
toxicwaste
mit
edu
orwell
may
very
well
have
been
correct
he
just
had
the
year
wrong
me
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headwall
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stanford
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from
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chemistry
stanford
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peter
kocks
subject
telnet
terminal
for
windows
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id
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stanford
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keywords
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telnet
ftp
sender
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news
organization
dsg
stanford
university
ca
usa
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
looking
for
good
terminal
program
that
will
connect
to
tcp
ip
using
windows
some
basic
ms
window
that
is
connect
to
unix
host
would
be
great
any
suggestions
thanks
peter
kocks
kocks
chemistry
stanford
edu
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date
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sponsored
account
systems
group
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apr30
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ecn
purdue
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nntp
posting
host
andrew
cmu
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in
reply
to
c6b79g
noose
ecn
purdue
edu
has
ms
innovated
anything
really
when
you
come
down
to
it
who
cares
just
hope
ms
keeps
doing
what
they
do
best
getting
usable
productive
software
to
the
masses
lets
see
what
ms
products
don
have
major
bugs
in
them
oh
but
the
fifth
release
the
bugs
are
generally
cleared
up
even
if
their
customers
must
buy
new
releases
from
them
that
are
little
more
than
bug
fixes
anyone
who
buys
computer
system
and
then
runs
ms
windows
on
it
is
in
desperate
need
of
sympathy
oh
wait
ms
innovated
the
plastic
housing
on
the
ms
mouse
didn
they
logitech
inside
personally
ll
be
blasphemous
and
say
that
if
microsoft
keeps
doing
what
it
does
so
well
hope
to
see
much
harsher
stricter
copyright
and
patent
laws
for
computer
algorithms
concepts
interfaces
and
other
intellectual
properties
to
protect
real
innovators
hate
to
be
one
who
actually
does
innovate
and
then
have
microsoft
come
in
like
huge
vulture
and
use
their
brute
mass
development
staff
marketing
etc
to
get
fat
off
of
my
innovation
don
have
all
that
much
sympathy
for
apple
complaint
against
microsoft
since
they
just
took
the
ideas
from
xerox
pa
research
center
when
the
federal
government
forced
xerox
to
disclose
their
patents
over
antitrust
fears
however
for
other
companies
and
individuals
who
have
great
idea
yet
get
it
borrowed
by
larger
corporations
who
can
afford
to
quickly
bring
it
to
market
without
any
licensing
from
the
original
innovator
feel
much
sympathy
larry
larry
weeks
those
who
fight
monsters
should
make
sure
that
dev
ecn
purdue
edu
in
the
process
he
does
not
become
monster
and
when
you
look
long
into
an
abyss
the
abyss
also
looks
into
you
friedrich
nietszche
you
can
even
really
call
it
secondary
creativity
when
company
gathers
together
bunch
of
knock
off
packages
and
peddles
them
to
neophytes
if
ms
does
anything
it
appears
someone
has
to
do
it
first
it
appears
that
ms
is
finding
out
that
throwing
money
at
technological
problems
is
by
no
means
guaranteed
solution
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nt
should
upgrade
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ee
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kingston
ac
uk
steve
warner
writes
hi
am
thinking
of
upgrading
to
the
beta
version
of
windows
nt
on
sx
mhz
mb
hard
disc
can
someone
please
give
me
there
opion
on
such
setup
for
running
nt
and
is
the
operating
system
likely
to
be
better
than
windows
or
unix
steve
ee
d316
uk
ac
king
ceres
ve
been
using
windows
nt
tm
since
the
october
release
and
have
to
say
that
the
march
release
is
really
big
improvement
windows
nt
tm
is
becomming
usable
there
are
few
things
to
consider
before
you
make
the
leap
though
first
for
me
at
least
is
that
you
cannot
get
full
speed
dos
box
what
mean
is
cannot
for
instance
run
falcon
or
any
other
resourse
intensive
program
in
dos
box
it
absolutley
crawls
and
my
machine
is
with
mb
hd
and
mb
ram
if
anyone
knows
how
to
get
fast
dos
box
or
full
screen
for
that
matter
please
let
me
know
the
second
thing
is
there
are
still
not
many
drivers
around
for
stuff
for
instance
my
pas
has
been
demoted
to
running
as
sound
blaster
which
is
natively
supported
nice
because
mediavision
hasn
produced
drivers
yet
your
disk
should
be
large
enough
to
keep
an
mb
dos
partition
and
give
the
rest
over
to
windows
nt
tm
the
only
thing
is
whenever
you
wanted
to
run
windows
programs
you
have
to
reboot
and
log
into
windows
nt
tm
instead
of
just
typing
win
windows
nt
tm
does
seem
to
be
much
more
stable
than
normal
windows
though
it
be
good
choice
if
you
have
the
resources
you
should
really
have
at
least
mb
ram
though
one
last
thing
modems
work
well
enough
but
have
yet
to
get
my
fax
card
to
work
and
ve
never
heard
of
anyone
else
who
did
either
it
only
better
than
unix
because
it
runs
killer
software
out
of
the
box
whereas
with
unix
there
isn
the
same
availablity
guess
it
comes
down
to
windows
nt
tm
is
not
yet
for
the
faint
of
heart
it
still
beta
but
it
very
good
beta
scott
reimert
reimert
mamacass
etdesg
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disclaimer
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beach
ca
blah
blah
blah
always
store
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in
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place
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com
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ti
com
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from
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ti
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mccall
subject
re
windows
nt
und
windows
message
id
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edu
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acsu
buffalo
edu
kan
mongwa
writes
in
article
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dseg
ti
com
mccall
mksol
dseg
ti
com
fred
mccall
writes
in
apr26
eurom
rhein
main
de
hein
eurom
rhein
main
de
hein
roehrig
writes
am
not
sure
whether
am
here
in
the
right
area
but
does
anybody
here
know
whether
windows
nt
does
will
include
windows
server
so
that
it
can
run
window
applications
remotely
no
it
does
not
could
you
add
some
information
to
non
it
does
not
say
for
instance
your
source
of
information
have
copy
it
isn
in
there
microsoft
says
it
will
not
be
in
the
release
version
either
he
just
asked
if
it
did
or
not
told
him
thanks
you
re
welcome
insisting
on
perfect
safety
is
for
people
who
don
have
the
balls
to
live
in
the
real
world
mary
shafer
nasa
ames
dryden
fred
mccall
dseg
ti
com
don
speak
for
others
and
they
don
speak
for
me
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windows
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edu
nntp
posting
host
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slip
dialin
cwru
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keywords
tcp
ip
telnet
ftp
in
article
apr30
leland
stanford
edu
kocks
chemistry
stanford
edu
peter
kocks
writes
looking
for
good
terminal
program
that
will
connect
to
tcp
ip
using
windows
some
basic
ms
window
that
is
connect
to
unix
host
would
be
great
any
suggestions
take
look
at
winqvt
net
the
latest
version
is
qvt
net
it
comes
in
versions
that
are
direct
to
packet
driver
as
well
as
pc
nfs
version
it
is
priced
quite
low
registration
student
registration
and
is
nice
package
comes
complete
with
vt220
terminal
emulation
ftp
pop3
client
lpr
and
nntp
client
you
can
ftp
it
from
biochemistry
bioc
cwru
edu
pub
qvtnet
qvtnet34
zip
it
was
also
uploaded
to
ftp
cica
indiana
edu
recently
ashok
ashok
aiyar
mail
ashok
biochemistry
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department
of
biochemistry
tel
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school
of
medicine
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re
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au
paul
blackman
writes
in
article
rl9b6
h3c
sol
deakin
oz
au
russ
deakin
oz
au
russ
sharp
writes
we
are
using
pkzip
v2
and
am
interested
to
hear
from
people
who
have
used
one
of
the
many
windows
programs
that
call
these
which
ones
are
available
and
does
any
one
stand
out
amongst
the
rest
is
there
full
windows
version
that
does
not
call
the
dos
pkzip
pkunzip
commands
yes
russ
there
is
quinzip
is
windows
version
but
don
think
it
handles
all
the
functions
available
in
the
dos
version
the
problem
is
that
quinzip
is
very
very
slow
so
think
that
winzip
is
still
the
best
choice
to
use
pkzip
in
windows
denis
simard
montreal
simardde
ere
umontreal
ca
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logo
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in
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fidonet
org
doelle
writes
hello
brad
monday
april
brad
smalling
wrote
to
crosspost
all
bs
since
don
know
your
setup
bs
copy
win
cnf
vgalogo
lgo
vgalogo
rle
win
com
bs
grabbed
this
from
supercharging
windows
by
judd
robbins
great
book
bs
this
is
also
how
you
can
put
your
own
logo
into
the
windows
startup
now
another
thing
this
is
from
the
windows
faq
your
file
has
to
be
less
than
at
least
that
what
the
faq
says
but
mine
wont
work
for
more
than
about
maybe
they
mend
don
know
com
files
are
limited
to
total
size
of
kb
thus
win
cfn
plus
vgalogo
log
plus
your
rle
file
must
be
less
than
kb
thus
your
rle
file
should
be
around
kb
rob
any
resemblance
between
the
above
views
and
rob
those
of
my
faculty
advisor
my
terminal
or
mohns
the
view
out
my
window
are
purely
coinci
dental
richard
traina
may
or
may
not
rmohns
vax
support
said
views
but
probably
doesn
clarku
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want
clarkies
to
think
about
them
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uunet
das
wang
com
wang
dbushong
from
dbushong
wang
com
dave
bushong
subject
re
more
cool
bmp
files
organization
wang
labs
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ma
usa
distribution
usa
date
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id
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com
references
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lines
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atldbs
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owen
adair
writes
in
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in
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rwang
gmuvax2
gmu
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john
wang
writes
hi
everybody
guess
my
subject
has
said
it
all
it
is
getting
boring
looking
at
those
same
old
bmp
files
that
came
with
windows
so
am
wondering
if
there
is
any
body
has
some
beautiful
bmp
file
can
share
or
maybe
somebody
can
tell
me
some
ftp
site
for
some
bmp
files
like
some
scenery
files
some
animals
files
etc
used
to
have
some
unfortunately
delete
them
all
anyway
could
me
give
me
some
help
please
in
response
to
different
kinda
wallpaper
here
what
use
think
the
original
gif
whatever
was
called
not
real
the
artist
name
and
logo
is
in
the
lower
right
corner
you
will
need
vga
think
and
have
this
sized
for
x600
color
screens
use
this
in
your
windows
directory
and
do
not
tile
it
hope
you
enjoy
try
this
one
on
for
size
rather
not
post
her
name
but
if
you
email
me
ll
tell
you
who
she
is
enjoy
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mac
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systerm
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
doesn
appear
in
the
first
survey
tend
to
doubt
their
results
more
just
because
sombody
wrote
it
doesn
mean
its
correct
note
that
the
two
tables
don
talk
about
the
same
population
one
is
fortune
companies
favoring
the
platform
as
their
primary
application
platform
the
other
is
sales
to
everyone
not
just
fortune
fortune
companies
don
do
lot
of
development
with
the
mac
as
their
top
platform
would
expect
that
that
would
explain
the
discrepancy
insisting
on
perfect
safety
is
for
people
who
don
have
the
balls
to
live
in
the
real
world
mary
shafer
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have
an
eisa
machine
and
just
do
not
understand
why
most
eisa
video
cards
only
match
the
performance
of
their
isa
counterparts
for
instance
the
eisa
orchid
pro
designer
iis
is
only
about
as
fast
as
the
isa
diamond
speedstar
plus
which
isn
what
would
call
fast
don
understand
why
eisa
video
cards
aren
as
group
on
the
same
level
of
performance
as
local
bus
cards
given
that
eisa
video
cards
have
bit
bus
to
move
data
around
instead
of
isa
bits
good
question
answer
the
eisa
bus
does
move
bits
rather
than
isa
but
it
still
moves
it
at
about
the
speed
as
the
isa
bus
think
that
either
or
mhz
the
local
bus
designs
also
move
bits
like
the
eisa
but
they
move
the
data
at
the
cpu
speed
up
to
mhz
so
on
mhz
cpu
the
local
bus
is
moving
bit
data
at
mhz
and
the
eisa
is
moving
bit
data
at
or
mhz
so
the
local
bus
should
be
to
times
faster
than
eisa
on
mhz
cpu
eisa
should
be
about
two
maybe
times
as
fast
as
isa
would
expect
the
eisa
board
to
be
more
than
twice
as
fast
as
the
isa
board
not
only
are
you
moving
data
on
path
twice
as
wide
at
least
but
there
is
difference
in
the
number
of
clocks
required
for
bus
transactions
between
the
two
busses
most
isa
boards
require
multiple
clocks
per
bus
transaction
typically
this
is
around
eisa
boards
are
suppose
to
be
able
to
burst
at
rate
so
would
expect
performance
to
be
that
of
an
isa
card
so
guess
for
me
the
question
is
unanswered
still
would
expect
him
to
be
able
to
see
speed
difference
and
he
apparently
does
not
insisting
on
perfect
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is
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mack
writes
on
my
pc
almost
exclusively
run
windows
the
only
dos
based
application
have
is
procommplus
in
my
config
sys
have
emm386
loaded
with
the
option
noems
no
expanded
memory
following
thread
in
one
of
the
comp
newsgroups
read
that
it
was
no
necessary
to
have
emm386
loaded
indeed
in
the
manual
it
says
that
emm386
is
used
to
get
expanded
memory
out
of
extended
memory
since
have
the
noems
option
it
seems
to
me
that
the
emm386
device
is
useless
in
my
case
should
use
emm386
or
should
remove
it
from
my
config
sys
thanks
for
your
help
eric
emm386
noems
enables
the
system
to
use
the
upper
memory
between
and
that
good
place
for
device
drivers
dos
kernal
etc
keep
it
in
well
thought
that
highmem
sys
would
do
that
too
just
took
out
emm386
of
my
config
sys
and
still
loading
my
other
drivers
high
mouse
vga
shadow
bios
dos
key
etc
haven
checked
mem
but
believe
have
managed
to
load
them
high
ie
between
kb
and
kb
also
ever
since
took
out
emm386
windows
loads
slightly
faster
get
about
extra
meg
of
freemem
in
windows
running
enhanced
with
meg
ram
meg
swap
and
got
rid
of
my
ctrl
alt
del
reboot
problem
before
the
computer
would
not
reboot
using
ctrl
alt
del
after
exiting
windows
would
really
like
to
keep
emm386
out
of
my
config
sys
anybody
else
have
info
on
this
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edu
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edu
cs
utexas
edu
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comp
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ac
nz
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nz
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govt
nz
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from
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nz
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ms
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misc
subject
re
why
are
our
desktop
fonts
changing
date
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organization
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council
public
access
wgtn
nz
lines
message
id
rsdutinndd7
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wcc
govt
nz
references
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albany
edu
reply
to
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nz
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govt
nz
in
article
bc0956b
jc924
uacsc2
albany
edu
jc924
uacsc2
albany
edu
writes
one
of
our
users
is
having
an
unusual
problem
if
she
does
an
alt
tab
to
full
screen
dos
program
when
she
goes
back
to
windows
her
desktop
fonts
have
changed
if
she
goes
back
to
full
screen
dos
program
and
then
goes
back
to
windows
the
font
has
changed
back
to
its
default
font
it
not
major
problem
everything
works
and
the
font
is
legible
but
it
is
annoying
does
anyone
have
any
idea
why
this
happens
by
the
way
she
has
dec
d2lp
machine
if
it
any
consolation
had
similar
problem
as
recall
if
exited
from
dos
session
while
in
full
screen
mode
the
menu
titles
had
changed
to
scrambled
version
of
the
icon
title
font
or
something
like
that
it
only
started
happening
after
used
icontitlefacename
in
win
ini
to
change
the
desktop
font
to
arial
so
stopped
exiting
from
dos
sessions
while
in
full
screen
mode
my
mac
used
to
do
something
similar
aren
computers
weird
mark
hadfield
hadfield
wao
greta
cri
nz
niwa
oceanographic
taihoro
nukurangi
evans
bay
rd
greta
point
telephone
po
box
kilbirnie
fax
wellington
new
zealand
xref
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srv
cs
cmu
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ms
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comp
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ms
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misc
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ms
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edu
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edu
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network
ucsd
edu
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qualcomm
com
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rdippold
from
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qualcomm
com
ron
asbestos
dippold
subject
re
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
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qualcom
originator
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com
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com
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posting
host
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qualcomm
com
organization
qualcomm
inc
san
diego
ca
references
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samba
oit
unc
edu
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noose
ecn
purdue
edu
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andrew
cmu
edu
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
kenton
shaver
ks3l
andrew
cmu
edu
writes
lets
see
what
ms
products
don
have
major
bugs
in
them
oh
but
the
fifth
release
the
bugs
are
generally
cleared
up
even
if
their
generally
the
second
or
third
major
release
usually
takes
care
of
it
my
advice
based
on
plenty
of
personal
experience
is
to
never
buy
the
first
version
of
anything
from
microsoft
this
includes
major
version
number
upgrades
from
previous
releases
such
as
microsoft
always
wait
at
least
for
the
upgrade
or
slipstream
upgrade
if
you
re
going
to
buy
it
san
francisco
is
like
granola
take
away
the
fruits
and
the
nuts
and
all
you
have
left
are
the
flakes
xref
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
alt
fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
windows
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comp
os
ms
windows
misc
newsgroups
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fan
bill
gates
comp
os
ms
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comp
os
ms
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misc
path
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cc
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edu
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cis
ohio
state
edu
sample
eng
ohio
state
edu
purdue
news
cs
indiana
edu
babbage
ece
uc
edu
uceng
uc
edu
ant
occ
uc
edu
bferrell
from
bferrell
ant
occ
uc
edu
brett
ferrell
subject
re
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
c6bgzv
mk
uceng
uc
edu
sender
root
uceng
uc
edu
system
privileged
account
nntp
posting
host
ant
occ
uc
edu
organization
university
of
cincinnati
references
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samba
oit
unc
edu
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
in
article
apr30
samba
oit
unc
edu
dil
admin
mhs
unc
edu
dave
laudicina
writes
microsoft
is
the
largest
software
company
on
the
planet
yet
cannot
think
of
even
one
computing
concept
that
they
innovated
and
brought
to
market
before
anyone
else
xerox
parc
apple
osborne
next
gnu
and
others
have
been
pioneers
and
led
the
way
to
the
future
of
computing
what
has
microsoft
done
to
be
technological
leader
posted
this
question
before
but
got
nary
reply
make
the
challenge
now
to
anyone
who
can
come
up
with
something
especially
microsoft
employees
get
no
response
this
time
guess
it
pretty
much
assures
me
that
there
is
none
which
is
what
suspect
anyway
really
when
you
come
down
to
it
who
cares
just
hope
ms
keeps
doing
what
they
do
best
getting
usable
productive
software
to
the
masses
thx
dave
if
you
think
that
windows
is
useable
you
must
not
use
it
much
windows
version
of
crash
protection
is
wearing
helmet
while
computing
the
arir
air
bag
is
an
expensive
add
on
brett
brett
sherron
ferrell
email
bferrell
uceng
uc
edu
of
cincy
catch
the
cats
college
of
engineering
if
you
can
friends
don
let
friends
do
windows
wittism
of
th
week
think
that
it
wrong
to
believe
in
an
ism
you
should
believe
in
yourself
ferrish
bueller
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os
ms
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misc
path
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srv
cs
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club
cc
cmu
edu
news
sei
cmu
edu
cis
ohio
state
edu
zaphod
mps
ohio
state
edu
cs
utexas
edu
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
from
louray
seas
gwu
edu
michael
panayiotakis
subject
re
please
do
not
post
bitmaps
message
id
apr30
seas
gwu
edu
organization
george
washington
university
references
spiff
win
net
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
though
downloaded
some
of
the
posted
bitmaps
myself
the
original
poster
is
quite
right
as
an
alternative
try
posting
them
at
comp
binaries
ms
windows
and
just
letting
us
know
good
idea
is
to
post
the
article
number
here
peace
micke
pe
michael
panayiotakis
louray
seas
gwu
edu
ace
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
how
do
make
ms
windows
grp
file
reflect
hd
directory
well
ain
always
right
but
ve
never
been
wrong
gd
newsgroups
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
das
news
harvard
edu
noc
near
net
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
from
louray
seas
gwu
edu
michael
panayiotakis
subject
re
leaking
memory
resources
in
message
id
apr30
seas
gwu
edu
organization
george
washington
university
references
apr199309371113
bpavms
bpa
arizona
edu
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h7v
csn
org
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
in
article
c6aw83
h7v
csn
org
richardf
teal
csn
org
iriemon
writes
dmittleman
bpavms
bpa
arizona
edu
daniel
mittleman
writes
am
running
win
with
ndw
on
sx
with
meg
of
memory
and
meg
perm
swap
file
and
am
getting
exceedingly
frustrated
that
my
applications
are
not
giving
back
system
resources
when
close
them
ve
noticed
this
also
the
way
it
was
explained
to
me
is
that
windows
does
not
clear
the
upper
memory
blocks
after
program
is
done
anyone
out
there
know
if
this
is
why
there
was
post
about
something
similar
while
back
it
seems
windows
does
not
take
it
upon
itself
to
free
up
any
sys
resources
an
applllication
is
using
when
that
application
is
done
that
job
is
left
entirely
to
the
application
that
is
the
application
has
to
clean
up
after
itself
when
it
quits
anyone
out
there
know
if
there
is
utility
for
windows
which
will
clean
up
sys
resources
when
an
application
quits
mother
zip
peace
mickey
pe
michael
panayiotakis
louray
seas
gwu
edu
ace
uunet
seas
gwu
edu
louray
how
do
make
ms
windows
grp
file
reflect
hd
directory
well
ain
always
right
but
ve
never
been
wrong
gd
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comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
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srv
cs
cmu
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club
cc
cmu
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sei
cmu
edu
cis
ohio
state
edu
zaphod
mps
ohio
state
edu
howland
reston
ans
net
noc
near
net
oz
plymouth
edu
oddjob
from
oddjob
oz
plymouth
edu
andrew
stoffel
subject
re
help
with
changing
startup
logo
message
id
may1
oz
plymouth
edu
organization
plymouth
state
college
plymouth
nh
references
aa01739
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org
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seas
gwu
edu
apr93
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clarku
edu
date
sat
may
gmt
lines
there
has
been
long
running
discussion
over
changing
the
startup
logo
for
windows
for
few
weeks
here
while
all
the
copy
methods
are
great
haven
seen
any
mention
of
program
that
will
do
it
for
you
well
found
one
on
cica
called
winlogo
can
remember
where
unfortuantely
and
it
seems
to
work
real
well
even
comes
with
couple
example
rle
files
what
really
like
though
is
way
to
create
rle
files
myself
specifically
the
rle4
format
mentioned
in
the
winlogo
readme
file
can
anyone
point
me
in
the
direction
of
such
beast
with
real
directory
path
all
the
ones
ve
seen
mentioned
didn
pan
out
mail
un
oddjob
oz
plymouth
edu
vms
andys
psc
plymouth
edu
disclaimer
any
end
user
software
that
provides
no
avenue
for
user
of
the
week
modification
or
programmability
is
not
user
friendly
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ms
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ohio
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edu
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ohio
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edu
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reston
ans
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csd
unb
ca
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mun
ca
cs
mun
ca
riemann
math
mun
ca
mclase
from
mclase
riemann
math
mun
ca
michael
clase
subject
print
to
file
how
do
print
the
file
later
message
id
apr30
cs
mun
ca
sender
usenet
cs
mun
ca
nntp
server
account
organization
mathematics
department
memorial
university
of
newfoundland
date
fri
apr
gmt
lines
here
the
situation
at
home
have
ms
word
for
windows
but
no
printer
at
work
have
windows
postscript
printer
but
not
ms
word
so
configure
my
machine
at
home
to
use
postscript
printer
and
use
the
print
to
file
option
which
produces
nice
postscript
file
which
then
bring
to
work
my
question
how
do
print
this
postscript
file
through
the
print
manager
at
work
if
for
example
select
print
from
the
file
manager
it
treats
the
postscript
as
text
file
and
gives
me
several
pages
of
postscript
gibberish
know
that
can
open
dos
window
and
do
copy
file
ps
com1
which
does
work
but
seems
not
to
multitask
very
well
other
applications
run
rather
slowly
and
often
pause
for
of
seconds
there
ought
to
be
way
of
passing
the
postscript
file
to
the
print
manager
but
if
there
is
can
find
any
mention
of
it
in
the
documentation
anyone
know
how
to
do
this
michael
clase
memorial
university
of
newfoundland
mclase
riemann
math
mun
ca
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ms
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cs
cmu
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cc
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cmu
edu
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ohio
state
edu
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mps
ohio
state
edu
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mps
ohio
state
edu
usc
cs
utexas
edu
utnut
torn
nott
emr1
jagrant
from
jagrant
emr1
emr
ca
john
grant
subject
re
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
may1
emr1
emr
ca
organization
dept
of
energy
mines
and
resources
ottawa
references
apr30
samba
oit
unc
edu
c6bgzv
mk
uceng
uc
edu
date
sat
may
gmt
lines
in
article
c6bgzv
mk
uceng
uc
edu
bferrell
ant
occ
uc
edu
brett
ferrell
writes
in
article
apr30
samba
oit
unc
edu
dil
admin
mhs
unc
edu
dave
laudicina
writes
microsoft
is
the
largest
software
company
on
the
planet
yet
cannot
think
of
even
one
computing
concept
that
they
innovated
and
brought
to
market
before
anyone
else
xerox
parc
apple
osborne
next
gnu
and
others
have
been
pioneers
and
led
the
way
to
the
future
of
computing
what
has
microsoft
done
to
be
technological
leader
posted
this
question
before
but
got
nary
reply
make
the
challenge
now
to
anyone
who
can
come
up
with
something
especially
microsoft
employees
get
no
response
this
time
guess
it
pretty
much
assures
me
that
there
is
none
which
is
what
suspect
anyway
really
when
you
come
down
to
it
who
cares
just
hope
ms
keeps
doing
what
they
do
best
getting
usable
productive
software
to
the
masses
thx
dave
if
you
think
that
windows
is
useable
you
must
not
use
it
much
windows
version
of
crash
protection
is
wearing
helmet
while
computing
the
arir
air
bag
is
an
expensive
add
on
brett
ladies
gentlemen
please
keep
this
discussion
in
comp
os
ms
windows
advocacy
where
it
belongs
thank
you
john
grant
jagrant
emr1
emr
ca
airborne
geophysics
geological
survey
of
canada
ottawa
john
grant
jagrant
emr1
emr
ca
airborne
geophysics
geological
survey
of
canada
ottawa
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ms
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state
edu
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ohio
state
edu
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mps
ohio
state
edu
howland
reston
ans
net
gatech
hubcap
news
from
charlea
eng
clemson
edu
charles
allen
subject
re
emm386
and
windows
message
id
may1
hubcap
clemson
edu
sender
news
hubcap
clemson
edu
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organization
clemson
university
references
ardie
ux1
cso
uiuc
edu
date
sat
may
gmt
lines
from
article
ardie
ux1
cso
uiuc
edu
by
ardie
ux1
cso
uiuc
edu
ardie
mack
on
my
pc
almost
exclusively
run
windows
the
only
dos
based
application
have
is
procommplus
in
my
config
sys
have
emm386
loaded
with
the
option
noems
no
expanded
memory
following
thread
in
one
of
the
comp
newsgroups
read
that
it
was
no
necessary
to
have
emm386
loaded
indeed
emm386
noems
enables
the
system
to
use
the
upper
memory
between
and
that
good
place
for
device
drivers
dos
kernal
etc
keep
it
in
emm386
is
not
reqired
to
load
the
dos
kernal
high
or
else
you
couldn
do
it
on
in
mail
message
recommended
that
he
remove
it
since
he
only
runs
procomplus
frequently
in
dos
and
suspect
emm386
will
slow
down
windows
charles
cballen
clemson
edu
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os
ms
windows
misc
path
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srv
cs
cmu
edu
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club
cc
cmu
edu
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sei
cmu
edu
cis
ohio
state
edu
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mps
ohio
state
edu
howland
reston
ans
net
ux1
cso
uiuc
edu
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iastate
edu
news
iastate
edu
pv3437
vincent
iastate
edu
digdug
from
digdug
iastate
edu
doug
tran
subject
re
leaking
memory
resources
in
message
id
digdug
pv3437
vincent
iastate
edu
sender
news
news
iastate
edu
usenet
news
system
organization
iowa
state
university
ames
ia
references
apr199309371113
bpavms
bpa
arizona
edu
c6aw83
h7v
csn
org
apr30
seas
gwu
edu
date
sat
may
gmt
lines
here
an
interesting
table
showing
how
much
resources
an
application
uses
and
how
much
it
gives
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does
this
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you
if
you
frequently
start
and
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program
that
doesn
give
back
all
of
it
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then
you
continually
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these
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programs
up
once
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leave
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btw
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from
mongwa
acsu
buffalo
edu
kan
mongwa
subject
re
how
to
change
an
icon
for
program
in
windows
message
id
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buffalo
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toelle
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chad
toelle
writes
suppose
you
want
to
change
the
particular
icon
for
program
in
windows
such
as
the
ms
dos
one
would
someone
let
me
know
how
you
can
do
this
it
depends
on
wether
you
are
going
to
replace
this
with
an
icon
that
comes
standard
with
windows
or
with
an
icon
from
some
other
icon
manager
well
if
it
is
one
of
those
that
comes
with
windows
just
highlight
the
item
by
clicking
once
on
it
click
on
file
and
then
on
properties
you
should
see
box
which
says
change
icon
click
on
it
you
are
going
to
be
presented
with
some
icons
sometimes
just
one
if
you
don
like
any
of
those
presented
click
on
the
browse
box
and
look
for
the
file
moricons
dll
select
it
browse
through
the
icons
presented
and
just
double
click
on
your
desired
icon
if
you
want
to
replace
it
with
an
icon
from
some
other
icon
manager
say
iconpower
for
instance
open
the
icon
manager
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
where
it
will
not
block
the
application
icon
you
wish
to
replace
when
you
have
found
your
desired
icon
click
on
it
once
and
while
holding
the
mouse
button
down
pull
this
icon
over
the
one
you
wish
to
change
and
thats
it
regards
kan
mongwa
mongwa
acsu
buffalo
edu
state
univeristy
bitnet
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humpty
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brown
edu
cs012055
from
cs012055
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brown
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tsang
newsgroups
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autos
subject
re
saturn
pricing
policy
message
id
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article
cs
apr5
references
c4oxwp
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news
cso
uiuc
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l3r
shuksan
ds
boeing
com
sender
news
cs
brown
edu
organization
brown
computer
science
dept
lines
in
article
c4vir5
l3r
shuksan
ds
boeing
com
fredd
shuksan
fred
dickey
writes
carolinafan
uiuc
cka52397
uxa
cso
uiuc
edu
wrote
have
been
active
in
defending
saturn
lately
on
the
net
and
would
like
to
state
my
full
opinion
on
the
subject
rather
than
just
reply
to
others
points
the
biggest
problem
some
people
seem
to
be
having
is
that
saturn
dealers
make
on
car
think
most
will
agree
with
me
that
the
car
is
comparably
priced
with
its
competitors
that
is
they
aren
overpriced
compared
to
most
cars
in
their
class
don
understand
the
point
of
arguing
over
whether
the
dealer
makes
the
or
not
have
never
understood
what
the
big
deal
over
dealer
profits
is
either
the
only
thing
that
can
figure
out
is
that
people
believe
that
if
they
minimize
the
dealer
profit
they
will
minimize
their
total
out
of
pocket
expenses
for
the
car
while
this
may
be
true
in
some
cases
do
not
believe
that
it
is
generally
true
bought
saturn
sl
in
january
of
at
that
time
based
on
studying
car
prices
decided
that
there
was
no
comparable
car
that
was
priced
as
cheaply
as
the
saturn
sure
maybe
could
have
talked
the
price
for
some
other
car
to
the
saturn
price
but
my
out
of
pocket
expenses
wouldn
have
been
any
different
what
important
to
me
is
how
much
money
have
left
after
buy
the
car
reducing
dealer
profit
is
not
the
same
thing
as
saving
money
show
me
how
reducing
dealer
profit
saves
me
money
and
ll
believe
that
it
important
my
experience
has
been
that
reducing
dealer
profit
does
not
necessarily
save
me
money
fred
say
you
bought
your
saturn
at
with
dealer
profit
of
if
the
dealer
profit
is
then
you
would
only
be
paying
for
the
same
car
so
isn
that
saving
money
moreover
if
saturn
really
does
reduce
the
dealer
profit
margin
by
then
their
cars
will
be
even
better
deals
say
if
the
price
of
saturn
was
already
below
market
average
for
the
class
of
cars
then
after
they
reduce
the
dealer
profit
it
would
be
below
market
average
it
will
attract
even
more
people
to
buy
saturns
because
it
would
save
them
money
force
the
competitors
to
lower
their
prices
to
survive
now
not
only
will
saturn
owners
benefit
from
lower
dealer
profit
even
the
buyers
for
other
cars
will
pay
less
isn
that
saving
money
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edu
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edu
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edu
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edu
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subject
re
are
bmw
worth
the
price
message
id
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news
organization
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ca
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com
gwm
spl1
spl
loral
com
gary
mahan
writes
road
and
track
bmw325is
mile
road
test
annual
mile
those
are
the
numbers
was
quoting
have
driven
the
older
model
but
not
the
newer
sure
sounds
like
they
got
ringer
the
is
drove
was
definitely
faster
than
that
if
you
want
to
quote
numbers
my
aw
autofile
shows
in
mile
in
it
quotes
car
and
driver
figures
of
and
oh
btw
these
numbers
are
for
the
don
know
how
the
addition
of
variable
valve
timing
for
affects
it
but
don
take
my
word
for
it
go
drive
it
teddy
xref
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cmu
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autos
rec
autos
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edu
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news
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com
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from
netops
tekgen
bv
tek
com
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king
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headlights
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keywords
headlights
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id
tekgen
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tek
com
date
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gmt
article
tekgen
followup
to
rec
autos
organization
tektronix
inc
beaverton
or
lines
thanks
to
all
of
you
who
responded
to
my
posting
the
problem
with
my
truck
headlights
low
beam
problem
was
loose
wire
connection
it
was
not
the
fuse
as
minority
of
you
suggested
thanks
again
xref
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to
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or
lines
the
subject
says
it
all
my
chev
s10
pickup
left
turn
signal
does
not
stop
after
turning
what
cause
this
to
stop
automaticaly
is
this
mechanical
problem
by
the
steering
wheel
note
this
truck
has
an
after
market
steering
wheel
gt
grant
installed
path
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cmu
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news
harvard
edu
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mps
ohio
state
edu
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elroy
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gov
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cco
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ugle
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host
blacker
caltech
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wolfson
regatta
sps
mot
com
stephen
wolfson
writes
in
article
mar31
ugle
unit
no
oep
colargol
edb
tih
no
oep
writes
which
turns
into
teenagers
car
when
it
gets
old
the
average
lifelength
of
volvo
in
norway
is
years
and
in
sweden
years
of
course
someone
pointed
out
when
saab
or
volvo
was
running
their
at
least
years
ads
that
the
average
milage
was
significantly
less
than
than
the
us
average
that
my
be
but
every
volvo
ve
ever
owned
has
lasted
far
longer
than
most
other
cars
volvo
miles
still
on
the
road
volvo
miles
still
on
the
road
volvo
miles
still
on
the
road
and
ll
admit
the
dealer
repair
cost
is
high
but
with
some
mechanical
aptitude
of
your
own
and
finding
good
indi
mechanic
you
can
avoid
most
breakdowns
and
make
the
rest
cheap
the
sum
total
of
the
repairs
on
the
car
with
miles
has
been
mufflers
and
radiator
whoa
bad
repair
record
and
all
of
these
cars
are
driven
fairly
hard
none
of
them
are
at
the
head
of
line
of
cars
going
mph
the
first
two
spend
lot
of
their
operating
life
with
the
speedometer
pegged
and
the
only
reason
the
doesn
is
it
has
mph
speedo
what
want
to
know
is
have
all
you
people
who
hate
volvos
been
traumatized
by
someone
in
turbo
wagon
blowing
you
away
on
the
road
or
what
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
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news
harvard
edu
ogicse
hp
cv
sdd
hp
com
hpscit
sc
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com
icon
rose
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com
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rose
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com
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from
reb
hprnd
rose
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com
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edu
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lines
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posting
host
hprnd
rose
hp
com
newsreader
tin
version
pl8
mihir
pramod
shah
mps1
cec1
wustl
edu
wrote
robert
wade
writes
until
and
more
saturn
retailers
are
built
like
in
the
same
city
most
medium
and
large
cities
have
small
handful
of
saturn
dealers
now
sacramento
has
two
saturn
dealerships
mihir
shah
ralph
bean
hprnd
rose
hp
com
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udel
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net
siemens
siemens
com
tjo
from
tjo
scr
siemens
com
tom
ostrand
subject
radio
for
toyota
tercel
message
id
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com
keywords
radio
tercel
replacement
sender
news
scr
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com
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posting
host
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com
organization
siemens
corporate
research
princeton
plainsboro
nj
date
mon
apr
gmt
lines
looking
for
replacement
radio
tape
player
for
toyota
tercel
standard
off
the
shelf
unit
is
fine
but
every
place
ve
gone
to
service
merchandise
etc
doesn
have
my
car
in
its
model
application
book
want
to
just
take
out
the
old
radio
and
slide
in
the
new
with
minimal
time
spent
hooking
it
up
and
adjusting
the
dashboard
if
you
have
put
in
new
unit
in
similar
car
like
to
hear
what
brand
how
easy
it
was
to
do
the
change
and
any
other
relevant
information
please
answer
via
mail
thanks
tom
ostrand
tom
ostrand
mail
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scr
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com
siemens
corporate
research
phone
college
road
east
fax
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nj
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portal
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portal
com
carl
hoffman
from
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hoffman
cup
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com
newsgroups
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subject
infiniti
g20
message
id
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portal
com
date
mon
apr
pdt
organization
the
portal
system
tm
lines
am
thinking
about
getting
an
infiniti
g20
in
consumer
reports
it
is
ranked
high
in
many
catagories
including
highest
in
reliability
index
for
compact
cars
mitsubushi
galant
was
second
followed
by
honda
accord
couple
of
things
though
in
looking
around
have
yet
to
see
anyone
driving
this
car
see
lots
of
honda
and
toyota
there
is
special
deal
where
can
get
an
infinity
g20
fully
loaded
at
dealer
cost
have
check
this
out
and
the
numbers
match
up
they
are
doing
this
because
they
are
releasing
and
update
mid
version
includes
dual
air
bags
and
want
to
get
rid
of
their
old
guess
my
question
is
is
this
good
deal
also
can
anyone
give
me
any
feedback
on
infiniti
thanks
carl
hoffman
the
other
cars
that
have
test
driven
and
which
are
in
the
running
are
mitsubishi
galant
honda
accord
and
toyota
camary
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
das
news
harvard
edu
ogicse
network
ucsd
edu
usc
cs
utexas
edu
cactus
org
boyle
from
boyle
cactus
org
craig
boyle
newsgroups
rec
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subject
re
basics
about
maintenance
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apr6
references
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bo6
agate
berkeley
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mis
telxon
com
organization
capital
area
central
texas
unix
society
austin
tx
lines
in
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telxon
com
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telxon
mis
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com
joe
staudt
writes
in
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bo6
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berkeley
edu
hubertc
whistle
cs
berkeley
edu
hung
hsien
hubert
chang
writes
hi
being
new
to
car
owner
would
pretty
much
like
to
know
more
about
some
basics
of
maintaining
the
cars
know
the
following
oil
has
to
be
changed
every
miles
change
the
oil
filter
too
check
tires
before
going
on
the
high
way
and
fill
up
the
tank
make
that
monthly
or
more
often
if
you
know
one
or
more
of
your
tires
has
slow
leak
if
the
tire
has
leak
you
should
fix
it
what
others
thank
you
check
all
fluids
regularly
every
month
check
the
oil
every
time
you
fill
up
with
gas
doesn
work
too
well
if
the
engine
is
hot
its
more
accurate
to
check
the
oil
when
the
engine
is
cool
not
when
you
are
at
gas
station
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re
leaking
memory
resources
in
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arizona
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daniel
mittleman
writes
this
may
be
an
faq
if
so
please
direct
me
to
the
known
answer
but
am
getting
frustrated
and
looking
for
help
am
running
win
with
ndw
on
sx
with
meg
of
memory
and
meg
perm
swap
file
and
am
getting
exceedingly
frustrated
that
my
applications
are
not
giving
back
system
resources
when
close
them
many
lines
deleted
danny
daniel
david
mittleman
danny
arizona
edu
danny
while
working
on
my
shareware
toolbar
found
myself
eating
resources
and
very
wise
person
pointed
me
to
the
sdk
and
specifically
the
debug
kernel
once
you
have
all
the
sdk
stuff
installed
this
also
comes
with
vc
you
run
n2d
which
does
normal
to
debug
swap
the
debug
kernel
runs
slower
but
you
then
execute
the
command
dbwin
and
let
it
report
to
you
what
is
going
on
you
are
going
to
find
out
lot
more
about
your
apps
than
you
cared
to
and
possibly
about
other
peoples
apps
is
that
opa
sorry
if
this
doesn
make
sense
repost
or
mail
me
dave
dave
campbell
at
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owner
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of
illinois
at
urbana
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in
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dec
com
kenyon
xqzmoi
enet
dec
com
doug
kenyon
stardog
champion
writes
it
great
that
all
these
other
cars
can
out
handle
out
corner
and
out
accelerate
an
integra
but
you
ve
got
to
ask
yourself
one
question
do
all
these
other
cars
have
moonroof
with
sliding
sunshade
no
wimpy
pop
up
sunroofs
or
power
sliding
roofs
that
are
opaque
moonroof
that
can
be
opened
to
the
air
closed
to
let
just
light
in
or
shaded
so
that
nothing
comes
in
you
ve
just
got
to
know
what
important
doug
integra
gs
hahaha
my
sentiments
exactly
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cc
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from
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wisdom
bubble
org
jonc
njcc
wisdom
bubble
org
on
cochran
writes
like
to
add
the
beretta
gtz
as
car
which
will
kick
gs
butt
anyday
and
it
lot
cheaper
to
boot
will
take
this
one
with
definate
grain
of
salt
performance
data
shows
if
this
poster
has
some
proof
other
than
my
friend
blew
one
away
last
week
want
proof
here
is
some
data
on
acceleration
and
handling
from
motor
trend
apr
integra
gs
beretta
gtz
mile
acc
slalom
wrong
why
don
you
look
again
at
motor
trend
slalom
times
they
are
right
along
with
the
integra
and
the
car
does
that
with
small
inch
tires
that
are
all
weather
xgtv4
not
to
mention
that
the
integra
rides
alot
better
than
beretta
your
acceleartion
times
also
vary
magazine
to
magazine
road
track
and
car
driver
have
the
gs
at
to
for
road
and
track
also
quarter
mile
times
vary
from
to
you
can
tell
exactly
by
the
numbers
furthermore
the
integra
will
definately
outrun
the
beretta
on
the
high
end
car
driver
and
road
track
have
the
gs
doing
to
mph
and
it
gets
there
fast
so
the
beretta
can
out
handle
the
integra
and
it
can
certainly
keep
up
with
it
in
acceleration
and
the
beretta
probably
has
higher
top
speed
due
to
the
horsepower
advantage
hp
torque
for
the
integra
vs
for
the
beretta
you
always
believe
those
exact
numbers
why
don
you
drive
gs
and
see
for
your
self
while
the
gs
has
low
torqye
its
high
gearing
over
rpm
make
up
for
the
difference
still
wouldn
call
it
torque
moster
though
the
biggest
advantage
would
have
to
be
the
price
the
integra
costs
as
tested
motor
trend
the
gtz
costs
as
tested
the
gtz
also
has
standard
nicities
and
airbag
and
antilock
brakes
an
airbag
is
not
available
on
the
integra
and
lower
models
do
not
have
abs
considering
you
save
almost
dollars
for
the
beretta
and
the
quad4
is
reliable
engine
it
doesn
make
sense
to
get
the
integra
as
performance
coupe
which
is
what
people
have
been
trying
to
make
it
out
to
be
quad
reliable
yeah
what
your
definition
of
reliable
if
that
reliable
then
its
safe
to
say
that
integra
engines
in
general
are
near
perfect
not
to
mention
hell
of
alot
smoother
and
quieter
balance
shafts
the
acura
has
the
engine
wins
the
reliablity
contest
hands
down
you
can
rev
that
car
all
day
everyday
and
you
ll
never
blow
hose
or
crack
the
block
or
anything
else
speak
from
expierence
not
saying
the
quad
is
bad
engine
but
don
highlight
reliability
when
you
comparing
it
to
acura
engine
and
while
the
integra
costs
alot
more
it
is
better
investment
since
it
will
hold
its
value
considerably
much
better
and
does
nice
job
at
being
sporty
car
and
practical
at
the
same
time
note
this
isn
flame
on
the
gtz
or
other
gm
quad
products
the
berreta
is
nice
car
and
puts
out
respectable
performance
and
very
reasonable
price
not
to
mention
it
has
an
airbag
but
to
start
quoting
figures
from
one
source
isn
too
reliable
read
other
sources
and
drive
both
cars
while
haven
driven
gtz
have
driven
gts
and
grand
ams
with
quad
engines
so
they
are
similair
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re
dumbest
automotive
concepts
of
all
time
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have
list
of
what
been
said
before
so
hopefully
not
repeating
how
about
horizontally
mounted
oil
filters
like
on
my
ford
that
no
matter
how
hard
you
try
will
spill
out
their
half
quart
on
the
bottom
of
the
car
when
you
change
them
joe
st
lucas
stlucas
gdwest
gd
com
standard
disclaimers
apply
general
dynamics
space
systems
san
diego
work
is
something
to
keep
me
busy
between
ultimate
frisbee
games
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apr3
michael
apple
com
ems
michael
apple
com
michael
smith
writes
does
it
take
any
peculiar
tools
to
remove
the
rear
springs
from
ford
f350
truck
naah
just
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inc
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in
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up
east
sun
com
jfox
hooksett
east
sun
com
writes
any
reason
you
are
limited
to
the
two
mentioned
they
aren
really
at
the
same
point
along
the
suv
spectrum
not
to
mention
price
range
how
about
the
explorer
trooper
blazer
montero
and
if
the
budget
allows
the
land
cruiser
any
advice
on
how
to
buy
land
cruiser
my
local
toyota
dealer
says
they
get
two
year
and
if
want
one
can
just
get
on
the
waiting
list
forget
about
test
drive
or
even
kicking
the
tires
and
if
they
are
that
rare
doubt
there
is
much
of
parts
inventory
on
hand
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edwards
edwards
intranet
com
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inc
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tamu
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re
mgbs
and
the
real
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com
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world
organization
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university
academic
computing
services
lines
nntp
posting
host
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news
software
vax
vms
vnews
in
article
apr5
mks
com
mike
mks
com
mike
brookbank
writes
my
sister
has
an
mgb
she
has
one
from
the
last
year
they
were
produced
its
in
very
good
shape
ve
been
bugging
her
for
years
last
year
produced
about
selling
it
ve
said
over
and
over
that
she
should
sell
it
before
the
car
is
worthless
while
she
maintains
that
the
car
may
actually
be
increasing
in
value
as
result
of
its
limited
availability
which
one
of
us
is
right
are
there
mgb
affectionados
out
there
who
are
still
willing
to
pay
to
for
an
old
mg
are
there
lot
out
in
the
market
yes
there
are
still
alot
of
mgbs
out
there
the
earlier
cars
pre
are
usually
more
desirable
due
to
certain
things
that
went
with
having
chrome
bumpers
ride
height
generally
more
power
the
older
cars
are
appreciating
slowly
the
newer
ones
seem
to
be
at
stable
level
at
the
moment
to
would
require
extremely
good
condition
and
low
miles
if
the
car
is
in
good
shape
and
regular
maintenance
is
kept
up
on
it
the
car
should
last
for
long
time
there
are
still
plenty
of
parts
sources
ouththere
the
mgb
is
great
fun
little
car
if
she
is
keeping
it
solely
in
the
hopes
that
it
is
going
to
appreciate
tell
her
to
sell
it
it
is
not
worth
waiting
the
time
it
would
take
to
appreciate
to
real
profitable
level
rick
guynn
mg
driver
soontobe
mga
mkii
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rebuild
complete
to
be
finished
texas
university
keeper
of
the
eternal
octagon
mgb
roadster
the
marque
symbol
that
ll
have
it
registered
soon
refuses
to
die
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tbigham
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bigham
subject
re
advice
on
bmws
and
winter
driving
message
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lines
this
past
winter
drove
from
nyc
to
killington
vt
or
times
in
my
convertible
talk
about
poor
reputation
in
the
snow
with
an
excellent
set
of
snow
tires
put
noika
nr10s
on
in
dec
and
have
been
sure
footed
in
some
pretty
severe
weather
conditions
ever
since
ve
plowed
through
inch
snow
covered
roads
effortlessly
while
other
cars
have
been
paralyzed
front
wheel
drive
included
concentrate
more
on
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road
rather
than
driveability
of
cars
in
snowy
conditions
drive
carefully
buy
good
snow
tires
and
most
cars
will
perform
adequately
in
less
than
ideal
conditions
an
aside
can
praise
noika
nr10
snows
enough
absolutely
the
best
snow
tires
have
ever
driven
on
if
you
live
in
the
snow
belt
do
yourself
favor
and
get
set
of
these
next
winter
tim
timothy
bigham
all
opinions
expressed
above
are
my
own
lehman
brothers
inc
and
should
not
be
construed
as
those
of
amex
tower
world
financial
center
my
employer
new
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from
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hi
ho
silver
subject
re
wax
residue
on
black
molding
organization
what
you
won
find
on
my
desk
date
sun
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hi
ho
silver
your
most
intoxicating
fantasy
lines
sayeth
joseph
mazza
mazz
andrew
cmu
edu
waxed
my
car
few
months
ago
with
liquid
wax
and
now
have
whiteish
smears
where
inadvertantly
got
some
wax
on
the
black
plastic
molding
ve
tried
repeatedly
to
remove
the
smears
with
no
luck
on
the
verge
of
replacing
the
molding
altogether
it
nice
car
armor
all
removes
raindance
wax
on
my
mazda
protege
black
plastic
bumpers
your
mileage
may
vary
given
this
observation
one
would
be
well
advised
to
take
care
not
to
get
any
of
this
or
probably
similar
protectants
such
as
son
of
gun
on
one
paint
know
that
sometimes
my
jaw
clicks
when
eat
void
where
prohibited
have
you
seen
this
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say
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anybody
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there
are
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far
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justy
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re
apparently
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names
that
are
or
appear
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be
derivatives
of
real
words
in
english
or
some
other
language
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which
case
you
missed
ones
such
as
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supra
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capri
and
calibra
in
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serenia
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precidia
if
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and
in
canada
vigor
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about
the
forthcoming
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that
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north
america
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might
include
celica
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paseo
and
tercel
in
canada
add
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know
that
sometimes
my
jaw
clicks
when
eat
void
where
prohibited
have
you
seen
this
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lust
never
sleeps
say
hurl
honey
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to
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host
hooksett
east
sun
com
in
article
igw
world
std
com
edwards
world
std
com
jonathan
edwards
writes
am
considering
buying
one
of
these
two
vehicles
new
want
fun
to
drive
family
vehicle
that
can
go
through
anything
the
jeep
is
very
popular
and
has
the
features
all
wheel
drive
wheel
anti
lock
roomy
passenger
cabin
but
limited
cargo
with
an
internal
spare
the
toyota
is
an
aging
design
with
only
part
time
wheel
and
only
rear
anti
lock
and
no
anti
lock
in
wd
it
also
has
very
inconvenient
rear
gate
not
to
mention
awkward
ingress
to
the
passenger
cabin
any
reason
you
are
limited
to
the
two
mentioned
they
aren
really
at
the
same
point
along
the
suv
spectrum
not
to
mention
price
range
how
about
the
explorer
trooper
blazer
montero
and
if
the
budget
allows
the
land
cruiser
bear
in
mind
that
of
all
suv
purchased
never
venture
off
road
carefully
weigh
the
trade
off
between
comfort
and
off
road
performance
when
choosing
one
and
realistically
decide
whether
you
ll
actually
make
enough
use
of
the
off
road
ability
to
sacrifice
some
of
the
on
road
comfort
john
john
path
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ohio
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edu
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edu
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edu
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edu
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from
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seas
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looking
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pennsylvania
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usa
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seas
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edu
looking
for
organizer
program
for
windows
currently
have
lotus
organizer
not
bad
but
looking
for
better
should
have
calender
scheduler
should
have
to
do
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corp
mot
com
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bernstein
subject
re
geico
mechanical
breakdown
insurance
organization
motorola
distribution
usa
date
mon
apr
gmt
message
id
apr5
schbbs
mot
com
references
c50pbh
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news
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host
lines
in
article
c50pbh
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purdue
edu
rjwade
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ecn
purdue
edu
robert
wade
writes
in
article
apr4
lds
loral
com
mcculloc
sps204
lds
loral
com
thad
mcculloch
writes
has
anyone
had
any
experience
with
geico
extended
warranty
plan
it
seems
to
be
slightly
less
expensive
than
the
normal
dealer
sponsored
policy
and
once
again
never
buy
extended
warranties
they
are
complete
and
total
ripoff
period
you
are
better
off
taking
your
money
and
putting
it
in
bank
and
using
that
money
for
repairs
many
extended
warranties
never
pay
or
have
co
payments
etc
how
many
people
will
actually
put
that
money
in
the
bank
and
keep
it
there
for
the
sole
use
of
automotive
repair
maybe
for
people
who
have
hard
time
saving
money
or
don
want
the
hassle
of
worrying
about
paying
for
everything
the
extended
warranty
is
worth
it
for
some
people
it
is
worth
it
others
not
and
for
some
the
peace
of
mind
knowing
you
won
have
too
many
unexpected
expenses
is
enough
if
you
drive
lot
your
basic
warranty
can
be
up
in
little
longer
than
year
how
many
people
can
make
the
car
payments
as
well
as
large
repairs
it
may
work
for
some
people
andrew
andrew
bernstein
motorola
inc
there
no
such
thing
as
sanity
algonquin
road
and
that
the
sanest
fact
schaumburg
il
dire
straits
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corp
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uwaterloo
ca
watserv1
mks
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mike
from
mike
mks
com
mike
brookbank
subject
mgbs
and
the
real
world
message
id
apr5
mks
com
organization
mortice
kern
systems
inc
waterloo
ontario
canada
date
mon
apr
gmt
lines
my
sister
has
an
mgb
she
has
one
from
the
last
year
they
were
produced
its
in
very
good
shape
ve
been
bugging
her
for
years
about
selling
it
ve
said
over
and
over
that
she
should
sell
it
before
the
car
is
worthless
while
she
maintains
that
the
car
may
actually
be
increasing
in
value
as
result
of
its
limited
availability
which
one
of
us
is
right
are
there
mgb
affectionados
out
there
who
are
still
willing
to
pay
to
for
an
old
mg
are
there
lot
out
in
the
market
mike
brookbank
mks
king
st
north
mike
mks
com
director
interopen
sales
mkt
waterloo
ontario
mortice
kern
systems
inc
mks
canada
n2j
w9
fax
xref
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king
from
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king
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edu
wen
king
su
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female
mystery
re
dumbest
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in
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apr1
iscnvx
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com
sharen
iscnvx
lmsc
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com
sharen
rund
writes
apparently
you
re
not
woman
my
husband
hates
the
auto
door
locks
features
but
forgets
that
besides
families
with
children
woman
feels
safer
in
car
that
locks
easily
in
addition
to
watching
around
checking
out
if
anyone
near
me
when
get
to
my
car
never
park
in
secluded
spot
etc
have
my
keys
ready
to
open
the
door
so
not
fumbling
in
my
purse
looking
for
them
this
has
me
thinking
is
there
biological
reason
why
women
can
put
their
keys
in
their
pants
pockets
like
men
do
have
two
pockets
on
the
back
of
each
of
my
pants
put
my
keys
in
one
and
wallent
in
another
many
of
the
pockets
even
have
botton
on
them
so
can
close
them
securely
everything
is
that
much
simpler
for
me
why
can
women
do
the
same
is
is
biological
ie
not
enough
room
for
bigger
bottom
plus
keys
and
wallet
or
is
it
the
way
they
are
raised
by
the
parents
path
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convertibles
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delaware
college
of
marine
studies
lewes
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udel
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lines
was
wondering
if
someone
could
point
me
to
somewhere
could
find
list
and
hopefully
comparison
of
all
the
convertibles
that
are
out
these
days
seems
like
they
are
making
big
comeback
but
not
sure
where
to
look
path
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daker
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host
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has
anybody
noticed
that
toyota
has
an
uncanny
knack
for
designing
horrible
ugly
station
wagons
tercels
corollas
camrys
have
their
designers
no
aesthetic
sense
at
all
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
the
eternal
champion
path
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cup
holders
driving
is
an
importantant
enough
undertaking
cellular
phones
and
mobile
fax
machines
see
above
vanity
mirrors
on
the
driver
side
ashtrays
smokers
seem
to
think
it
just
fine
to
use
the
road
fake
convertible
roofs
and
vinyl
roofs
any
gold
trim
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
the
eternal
champion
xref
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mkt
csd
harris
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not
for
mail
from
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mkt
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higgins
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ford
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organization
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com
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host
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mkt
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com
one
of
the
local
dealers
has
used
miles
probe
gt
on
the
lot
with
photocopy
of
document
taped
to
the
window
saying
the
dealership
bought
the
car
back
from
the
previous
owner
because
of
engine
noises
but
that
the
ford
district
rep
had
ok
ed
the
car
saying
those
noises
were
normal
thought
it
was
worth
looking
into
the
car
seems
otherwise
clean
and
mentioned
this
to
co
worker
who
proceeded
to
tell
me
horror
story
about
her
son
probe
gt
which
had
several
problems
ending
with
engine
noises
which
she
said
was
something
with
the
heads
that
ford
acknowledged
the
noise
said
they
were
working
on
it
but
didn
have
cure
as
of
yet
her
son
traded
the
car
in
and
checked
not
the
same
car
so
have
some
evidence
of
reoccuring
problem
with
the
v6
in
the
probe
gt
and
by
extension
with
the
madza
and
mx
anything
to
this
love
to
consider
buying
the
gt
turning
time
for
my
scheduled
mid
life
crisis
but
hate
to
find
out
just
became
the
proud
owner
of
lemon
path
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really
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kenyon
stardog
champion
organization
digital
equipment
corporation
lines
it
great
that
all
these
other
cars
can
out
handle
out
corner
and
out
accelerate
an
integra
but
you
ve
got
to
ask
yourself
one
question
do
all
these
other
cars
have
moonroof
with
sliding
sunshade
no
wimpy
pop
up
sunroofs
or
power
sliding
roofs
that
are
opaque
moonroof
that
can
be
opened
to
the
air
closed
to
let
just
light
in
or
shaded
so
that
nothing
comes
in
you
ve
just
got
to
know
what
important
doug
integra
gs
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ford
explorer
wd
do
need
performance
axle
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inc
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logos
asd
sgi
com
we
re
considering
getting
ford
explorer
xlt
with
wd
and
we
have
the
following
questions
all
we
would
do
is
go
skiing
no
off
roading
with
wd
do
we
need
the
performance
axle
limited
slip
axle
its
purpose
is
to
allow
the
tires
to
act
independently
when
the
tires
are
on
different
terrain
do
we
need
the
all
terrain
tires
p235
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or
will
the
all
season
p225
x15
be
good
enough
for
us
at
lake
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edu
daniel
mittleman
writes
am
running
win
with
ndw
on
sx
with
meg
of
memory
and
meg
perm
swap
file
and
am
getting
exceedingly
frustrated
that
my
applications
are
not
giving
back
system
resources
when
close
them
ve
noticed
this
also
the
way
it
was
explained
to
me
is
that
windows
does
not
clear
the
upper
memory
blocks
after
program
is
done
anyone
out
there
know
if
this
is
why
there
was
post
about
something
similar
while
back
it
seems
windows
does
not
take
it
upon
itself
to
free
up
any
sys
resources
an
applllication
is
using
when
that
application
is
done
that
job
is
left
entirely
to
the
application
that
is
the
application
has
to
clean
up
after
itself
when
it
quits
anyone
out
there
know
if
there
is
utility
for
windows
which
will
clean
up
sys
resources
when
an
application
quits
mother
zip
peace
mickey
it
could
also
be
that
your
shell
is
hogging
the
resources
for
example
open
the
apps
with
data
files
that
cause
resulting
low
system
resources
with
ndw
as
shell
then
do
the
same
with
program
manager
and
see
if
it
the
shell
or
the
apps
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com
michael
apple
com
ems
from
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apple
com
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re
how
hard
to
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on
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of
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line
did
it
and
it
worked
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tips
and
techniques
are
included
here
in
article
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james
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writes
in
article
apr3
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apple
com
ems
michael
apple
com
michael
smith
writes
does
it
take
any
peculiar
tools
to
remove
the
rear
springs
from
ford
f350
truck
this
is
x4
with
leaf
springs
front
and
rear
so
with
big
socket
and
an
air
wrench
and
floor
jack
and
hydrolic
bottle
jack
can
do
this
at
home
found
that
needed
some
smaller
sockets
to
undo
the
shocks
and
can
of
wd40
helped
the
sockets
needed
were
metric
exact
fit
but
was
able
to
use
some
sae
sockets
and
are
rather
close
to
and
mm
it
can
be
fun
having
canadian
ford
pictureing
this
undo
bolts
put
bottle
jack
on
the
axle
and
raise
the
bed
frame
to
take
stress
off
of
the
leaf
spring
undo
the
end
bolts
bushings
drop
the
spring
turn
the
bottom
leaf
re
connect
the
spring
bolts
sounds
about
right
didn
have
to
undo
the
end
bolts
bushings
just
the
bolts
on
each
side
and
the
shock
absorber
jacking
up
the
frame
some
more
had
to
put
the
spare
tire
on
the
garage
floor
and
put
wooden
platform
on
top
of
that
to
get
the
floor
jack
high
enough
to
raise
the
frame
one
talll
truck
lifted
the
spring
free
of
the
axel
taking
out
the
block
gave
me
enough
room
to
undo
the
pin
holding
the
spring
pack
together
the
spring
pack
was
held
together
with
nut
on
top
and
round
head
on
the
other
end
no
wrench
head
vice
grips
worked
fine
soaked
the
nut
with
wd40
and
it
came
right
off
flipped
the
bottom
spring
and
then
is
this
nightmare
waiting
to
happen
or
an
easy
though
physically
demanding
thing
to
do
well
it
easier
than
doing
decent
trigger
job
on
a1
ok
well
maybe
it
not
that
easy
but
it
not
terribly
difficult
donno
little
more
sore
today
than
after
working
on
a1
foot
pipe
cheater
was
real
help
torque
spec
for
the
bolt
nuts
is
to
ft
lbs
a1
doesn
have
that
kind
of
torque
spec
it
was
challenge
to
get
the
pack
bolt
back
in
the
spring
pack
squeeze
pack
with
two
hands
hold
bolt
with
third
put
nut
on
with
fourth
while
picking
up
wrench
and
vice
grips
with
fifth
and
sixth
hands
used
some
string
to
tie
the
pack
together
while
holding
the
pin
in
for
alignment
then
could
let
go
to
get
the
nut
wrench
vice
grips
getting
the
pin
back
lined
up
with
the
lift
block
was
challenge
too
until
discovered
that
the
axel
had
tilted
and
or
rolled
forward
one
the
drivers
side
bottle
jack
under
the
front
of
the
differential
tilted
it
back
in
line
enough
for
the
pin
head
to
drop
into
the
right
hole
on
the
passenger
side
had
to
wrestle
the
wheel
into
rolling
forward
about
inch
to
get
things
to
line
up
spent
more
than
an
hour
working
on
getting
the
pin
head
into
the
hole
in
the
lift
block
with
levers
and
ropes
and
impliments
of
distruction
before
took
break
and
thought
about
why
it
wasn
lined
up
anymore
since
it
had
been
lined
up
before
and
didn
move
it
something
else
must
have
hmmm
axle
no
longer
constrained
not
to
move
hmmm
move
it
back
hmmm
after
that
it
was
all
much
easier
to
close
up
btw
the
ride
is
now
softer
but
not
quite
as
soft
as
was
hoping
for
at
least
it
now
sits
level
michael
smith
ems
apple
com
whatever
you
can
do
or
dream
you
can
begin
it
boldness
has
genius
power
and
magic
in
it
goethe
am
not
responsible
nor
is
anyone
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like
they
got
ringer
the
is
drove
was
definitely
faster
than
that
if
you
want
to
quote
numbers
my
aw
autofile
shows
in
mile
in
it
quotes
car
and
driver
figures
of
and
oh
btw
these
numbers
are
for
the
car
and
driver
rated
the
is
at
at
after
miles
last
time
checked
automobile
magazine
rated
new
is
mile
gee
aint
quotiin
funner
than
the
dickens
sounds
like
we
need
race
ll
let
you
have
the
newer
version
can
someone
out
there
lend
me
is
for
day
wont
hurt
it
promise
don
know
how
the
addition
of
variable
valve
timing
for
affects
it
but
don
take
my
word
for
it
go
drive
it
actually
will
take
your
word
on
it
refuse
to
test
it
new
is
because
love
bmw
and
would
probably
want
to
buy
it
problem
is
my
income
just
doesn
support
that
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dumbest
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of
all
tim
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joes
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mis
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com
joe
staudt
writes
in
article
phoi3
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armory
centerline
com
jimf
centerline
com
jim
frost
writes
stuff
deleted
the
silly
thing
about
this
whole
argument
is
that
most
of
the
trunk
releases
tempted
to
say
all
but
there
bound
to
be
counterexample
only
operate
if
the
car
is
on
acc
or
running
thus
you
can
easily
pop
the
trunk
without
starting
the
car
most
cars
the
only
cars
ve
ever
seen
with
this
feature
have
been
gm
cars
my
mazda
honda
and
coming
soon
probe
all
have
cable
operated
releases
my
camaro
had
an
electric
hatch
release
that
was
thankfully
independent
of
the
key
in
the
ignition
the
exception
to
the
rule
mentioned
in
my
first
sentence
should
probably
have
said
glovebox
trunk
releases
haven
encountered
any
glovebox
releases
that
are
cable
operated
numerous
gm
and
several
ford
mercury
cars
that
ve
encountered
have
electrical
releases
in
the
glovebox
and
all
of
the
ones
ve
seen
needed
the
ignition
on
to
some
degree
to
operate
your
camaro
example
is
noted
but
since
it
hardtop
it
not
big
deal
ve
never
run
into
convertible
with
cable
operated
trunk
release
agree
that
in
such
an
environment
cable
or
always
active
electrical
release
would
be
rather
stupid
jim
frost
jimf
centerline
com
my
honda
has
cable
release
that
can
be
locked
out
with
the
ignition
key
the
valet
key
can
be
left
with
someone
and
will
not
unlock
the
trunk
or
enable
the
cable
release
remember
my
mothers
corvette
that
had
an
electronic
hatch
release
located
on
the
drivers
door
which
was
always
active
the
fact
that
the
car
had
no
real
trunk
makes
the
security
measure
of
beign
able
to
dis
able
the
hatch
release
unnecessary
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gov
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colorado
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division
lines
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cs
itc
hp
com
left
hand
steering
wheel
placement
was
not
standard
until
the
in
the
us
driving
on
the
right
has
been
standard
since
standards
came
into
being
interestingly
chrysler
has
just
begun
building
right
hand
drive
cars
again
for
export
to
japan
path
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edu
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com
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com
desoto
first
year
of
manufacture
was
so
this
may
indeed
have
been
an
export
special
as
left
hand
controls
were
standard
here
by
then
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edu
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in
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portal
com
carl
hoffman
cup
portal
com
writes
there
is
special
deal
where
can
get
an
infinity
g20
fully
loaded
at
dealer
cost
have
check
this
out
and
the
numbers
match
up
they
are
doing
this
because
they
are
releasing
and
update
mid
version
includes
dual
air
bags
and
want
to
get
rid
of
their
old
is
this
really
the
dealer
cost
did
you
get
the
dealer
cost
by
looking
at
the
invoice
there
may
be
factory
to
dealer
incentives
check
this
out
since
have
trouble
believing
that
dealer
would
sell
car
to
me
at
his
cost
dealer
invoice
is
not
necessarily
the
dealer
cost
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subject
re
lh
car
order
delay
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id
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com
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mas
skcla
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com
writes
read
an
article
in
the
chicago
tribune
stating
that
chrysler
is
having
problems
addressing
the
demand
for
the
engine
for
it
lh
cars
can
anyone
post
how
long
they
are
waiting
for
an
ordered
car
or
how
long
they
have
been
told
they
ll
have
to
wait
thanks
john
mas
mail
address
mas
skcla
monsanto
com
ordered
an
intrepid
es
on
jan
th
and
haven
seen
it
yet
called
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
was
told
more
weeks
it
probably
time
to
call
again
charles
johnson
intel
corporation
supercomputer
systems
division
ms
co1
nw
greenbrier
pkwy
beaverton
or
phone
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well
you
young
fellers
won
remember
but
we
used
to
have
side
vent
front
windows
until
some
damn
bean
counter
scrapped
them
these
were
separate
triangular
windows
at
the
leading
edge
of
the
front
doors
that
pivoted
outward
at
the
rear
edge
worked
like
charm
yeah
loved
the
vent
windows
on
my
escort
hell
the
only
thing
liked
about
the
car
one
of
the
things
like
to
see
brought
back
does
anyone
know
if
they
re
an
option
on
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have
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or
pointers
to
references
about
how
fast
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car
prices
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gone
up
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anyone
else
observed
this
behaviour
and
if
so
what
have
you
done
to
cure
it
one
workstation
in
wfw
network
goes
deaf
to
any
form
of
communication
from
other
workstations
until
it
goes
out
on
the
network
itself
from
then
on
other
workstatons
can
interact
with
it
until
some
time
later
when
it
goes
deaf
again
the
workstation
is
set
up
to
share
its
discs
etc
the
machine
is
dx
mb
ram
with
diamond
stealth
video
it
behaves
this
way
with
variety
of
bit
network
adapters
including
smc
elite
it
also
behaves
the
same
way
if
use
the
windows
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driver
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the
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my
friend
brought
subaru
svx
recently
had
drove
it
for
couples
times
and
think
its
great
car
esp
on
snow
however
when
she
took
it
to
local
subaru
dealer
for
oil
change
the
bill
came
out
to
be
about
dollars
the
dealer
told
us
it
is
because
to
change
the
oil
filter
on
svx
it
is
necessary
to
disassemble
metal
cover
under
the
engine
and
that
took
an
hour
of
labour
at
first
we
think
we
are
being
ripped
off
so
she
phone
to
dealer
in
toronto
but
found
out
the
they
are
charging
roughly
the
same
price
so
is
there
any
svx
owner
out
there
that
has
the
same
problem
and
if
the
oil
change
story
is
true
then
the
engineer
of
subaru
looks
pretty
stubid
to
me
by
the
way
the
car
looks
great
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could
someone
out
there
please
tell
me
how
could
get
onto
the
saab
mailing
list
specifically
need
the
address
and
instructions
on
what
to
do
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in
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john
daker
writes
cup
holders
driving
is
an
importantant
enough
undertaking
this
is
good
idea
so
you
can
carry
your
non
alcoholic
drinks
without
spilling
or
having
someone
hold
on
to
them
cellular
phones
and
mobile
fax
machines
see
above
fax
machines
yes
cellular
phones
why
not
get
hands
free
model
fake
convertible
roofs
and
vinyl
roofs
seemingly
unique
to
american
luxury
cars
the
big
three
haven
yet
realized
that
the
are
over
any
gold
trim
agree
just
another
display
of
yuppie
excess
jon
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att
out
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from
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need
info
on
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at
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mazeda
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test
drove
mazda
lx
this
past
weekend
and
liked
it
the
dealer
offered
it
for
is
this
good
price
any
comments
on
in
general
please
use
email
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in
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jonc
njcc
wisdom
bubble
org
on
cochran
writes
like
to
add
the
beretta
gtz
as
car
which
will
kick
gs
butt
anyday
and
it
lot
cheaper
to
boot
comparing
the
gtz
and
gsr
is
apples
to
oranges
somewhat
like
mustang
and
crx
both
have
very
different
ways
of
doing
things
and
ought
to
appeal
to
different
buyers
don
think
an
acura
owner
would
be
seen
dead
in
chevy
dealership
or
vice
versa
stuff
deleted
are
all
weather
xgtv4
not
to
mention
that
the
integra
rides
alot
better
than
no
integra
have
seen
comes
with
all
season
tires
the
gtz
does
come
with
much
bigger
wheels
along
with
the
integra
and
the
car
does
that
with
small
inch
tires
that
your
acceleartion
times
also
vary
magazine
to
magazine
road
track
and
car
driver
have
the
gs
at
to
for
road
and
track
the
figures
are
almost
certainly
bogus
and
based
on
hot
prototype
supplied
by
acura
the
mt
figures
are
more
plausible
also
quarter
mile
times
vary
from
to
sounds
reasonable
probably
faster
than
regular
integras
so
the
beretta
can
out
handle
the
integra
and
it
can
certainly
keep
up
with
it
in
acceleration
and
the
beretta
probably
has
higher
top
speed
due
to
the
horsepower
advantage
hp
torque
for
the
integra
vs
for
the
beretta
you
always
believe
those
exact
numbers
why
don
you
drive
gs
and
see
for
your
self
while
the
gs
has
low
torqye
its
high
gearing
over
the
gsr
gearing
is
horrible
for
day
to
day
driving
it
needs
speed
box
more
than
any
other
modern
car
essentially
th
in
regualr
integra
equals
th
in
the
gsr
and
the
regular
integras
are
very
buzzy
at
speed
rpm
make
up
for
the
difference
still
wouldn
call
it
torque
moster
though
considering
you
save
almost
dollars
for
the
beretta
and
the
quad4
is
reliable
engine
it
doesn
make
sense
to
get
the
integra
as
the
only
person
knew
with
gtz
had
it
bought
back
by
gm
as
lemon
it
was
piecve
of
junk
but
very
quick
for
fwd
quad
reliable
yeah
what
your
definition
of
reliable
if
that
reliable
then
its
safe
to
say
that
integra
engines
in
general
are
near
perfect
the
only
gsr
owner
know
had
the
engine
throw
rod
with
less
than
miles
rare
screw
up
by
honda
both
the
gtz
and
gsr
are
flawed
cars
the
performance
enthusiasts
would
take
the
gtz
and
the
cr
purchase
would
be
the
gsr
craig
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org
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and
the
real
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in
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mike
mks
com
mike
brookbank
writes
my
sister
has
an
mgb
she
has
one
from
the
last
year
they
were
produced
its
in
very
good
shape
ve
been
bugging
her
for
years
about
selling
it
ve
said
over
and
over
that
she
should
sell
it
before
the
car
is
worthless
while
she
maintains
that
the
car
may
actually
be
increasing
in
value
as
result
of
its
limited
availability
grass
roots
motorsport
has
long
article
about
mg
this
month
as
far
as
collectivity
speculation
is
concerned
they
think
it
is
waste
of
time
especially
the
later
rubber
bumpered
models
are
the
least
desirable
original
model
the
most
the
reasons
for
its
low
value
are
easy
availability
and
the
fact
that
it
just
was
not
very
good
car
craig
which
one
of
us
is
right
are
there
mgb
affectionados
out
there
who
are
still
willing
to
pay
to
for
an
old
mg
are
there
lot
out
in
the
market
mike
brookbank
mks
king
st
north
mike
mks
com
director
interopen
sales
mkt
waterloo
ontario
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kern
systems
inc
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kojo
valet
phx
mcd
mot
com
kojo
yeboah
writes
ky
to
all
those
who
have
passats
do
you
recommend
using
super
unleaded
or
just
ky
regular
unleaded
gasoline
have
been
using
regular
unleaded
friend
of
mine
has
ky
jetta
and
has
always
used
super
unleaded
and
thinks
should
be
using
the
same
ky
however
believe
the
advantages
of
super
unleaded
for
cars
and
under
ky
has
been
overplayed
by
guess
who
the
companies
who
sell
them
because
that
is
ky
where
they
make
the
most
profit
ralph
nader
report
and
other
consumer
advocates
ky
have
in
the
past
spoken
against
those
oil
companies
your
passat
vr6
is
designed
to
run
on
premium
gasoline
however
the
engine
electronics
will
retard
the
timing
so
that
no
harm
wil
be
done
to
the
engine
with
lower
octane
fuel
you
will
likely
however
get
somewhat
more
power
and
fuel
mileage
especially
in
hot
weather
out
of
this
particular
engine
if
you
do
run
it
on
premium
tom
neumann
deluxe
sell
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edu
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tedebear
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chen
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re
toyota
wagons
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lines
in
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gov
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brown
writes
in
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john
daker
writes
has
anybody
noticed
that
toyota
has
an
uncanny
knack
for
designing
horrible
ugly
station
wagons
tercels
corollas
camrys
have
their
designers
no
aesthetic
sense
at
all
the
new
camry
wagon
may
just
be
even
uglier
than
my
tercel
toyota
has
cornered
the
market
on
ugly
station
wagons
after
seeing
the
new
camry
sedan
had
thought
toyota
would
finally
turn
out
something
nice
looking
the
new
camry
station
wagon
bears
strong
resemblance
to
hearse
and
weird
looking
one
at
that
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from
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james
subject
re
photo
radar
was
re
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photo
radar
and
mailed
tickets
make
no
sense
at
all
speeding
is
moving
violation
committed
by
the
operator
not
the
owner
the
owner
may
be
rental
agency
dealer
private
party
or
government
agency
as
long
as
the
owner
has
no
reason
to
expect
the
operator
will
be
driving
illegally
or
unsafely
the
owner
cannot
be
held
responsible
for
what
the
operator
does
the
car
may
even
have
been
driven
without
the
owner
knowledge
or
consent
can
believe
mailed
ticket
where
the
driver
is
not
identified
would
stand
up
in
court
this
is
obviously
lazy
cynical
boneheaded
fascist
way
to
extort
revenue
and
has
nothing
to
do
with
public
safety
bk
what
do
photo
radar
units
look
like
also
what
major
cities
use
it
jon
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may
who
peninsula
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car
club
kenai
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why
proceeds
of
this
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to
benefit
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landing
ambulance
corps
general
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is
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to
all
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of
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trucks
motorcycles
factory
and
modified
mild
to
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interests
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po
or
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intended
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occassional
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head
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to
have
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many
entrants
as
possible
but
please
contact
us
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availability
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come
first
serve
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of
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of
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or
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subject
re
was
re
safety
from
how
far
can
you
see
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writes
ssave
ole
cdac
com
the
devil
reincarnate
writes
you
will
be
surprised
at
the
number
of
people
who
forget
their
glasses
while
driving
and
then
there
are
the
people
who
just
plain
don
get
their
eyes
checked
once
year
as
someone
who
has
lousy
vision
can
see
objects
at
distance
without
my
glasses
however
they
are
quite
fuzzy
and
may
not
be
able
to
make
out
the
details
but
can
certainly
tell
that
something
is
there
won
argue
too
much
about
anything
am
probably
one
of
those
that
think
that
we
can
have
enough
safety
on
the
roads
would
gladly
sacrifice
distractions
as
you
call
it
than
someone
having
trouble
seeing
danger
earlier
one
saved
life
justifies
more
than
my
lifetime
of
distractions
for
me
and
then
there
is
dawn
and
dusk
when
your
eyes
have
not
yet
adjusted
to
the
poor
light
and
there
are
those
who
drive
black
grey
cars
and
then
there
is
the
case
where
you
are
driving
down
two
way
one
lane
road
and
someone
is
overtaking
cars
and
coming
the
opposite
direction
doesn
see
you
because
your
lights
are
not
on
or
vice
versa
at
mph
that
is
quite
small
reaction
time
but
of
course
we
are
too
macho
to
think
we
are
invincible
and
can
react
faster
than
that
only
the
poor
sod
who
you
didn
see
might
not
have
normal
life
ever
worked
out
the
reaction
time
in
previous
post
and
its
plenty
even
for
an
year
old
grandma
as
long
as
speeds
are
in
the
mph
range
or
less
if
you
or
some
other
driver
is
going
way
faster
than
that
then
be
careful
as
always
you
are
responsible
for
your
driving
actions
if
you
pull
out
to
pass
and
crash
into
someone
for
whatever
reason
its
your
fault
if
you
can
problem
is
that
may
just
kill
the
guy
agree
that
would
be
at
fault
and
will
have
my
license
revoked
why
might
even
go
to
the
gas
chamber
but
the
fact
still
remains
that
the
guy
is
dead
someone
died
because
was
too
stingy
to
put
on
my
lights
see
damn
thing
then
you
shouldn
be
driving
lights
fail
fallen
trees
or
rocks
don
have
lights
etc
maintain
that
headlight
strength
the
ratio
of
the
probability
of
fallen
trees
rocks
on
the
roads
to
oncoming
traffic
is
too
low
to
even
be
considered
the
difference
is
also
working
on
what
we
know
could
happen
to
what
might
happen
running
lights
are
not
necessary
for
motorists
who
drive
around
mph
it
may
be
good
idea
to
force
the
running
or
headlights
on
when
you
turn
your
windshield
wipers
on
but
only
because
some
people
are
too
stupid
to
do
so
if
you
crash
into
one
of
those
idiots
you
have
to
fight
it
out
in
court
to
show
his
neglegence
if
you
can
even
prove
it
just
out
of
curiosity
how
much
gas
milage
do
you
loose
when
you
put
your
lights
on
and
how
much
do
you
reduce
the
life
of
your
head
lamps
and
what
is
the
cost
of
your
headlamps
anyway
mileage
is
certainly
reduced
but
by
very
very
small
amount
probably
about
watts
for
head
and
running
lights
this
is
an
extra
horsepower
that
must
be
made
by
the
engine
it
may
be
that
this
will
cost
you
around
two
gallons
year
but
times
million
cars
that
lot
of
gas
compared
to
the
number
of
gallons
of
gas
consumed
by
those
million
cars
it
is
miniscule
whatever
tis
pity
have
to
share
the
same
roads
with
person
not
concerned
with
safety
ssave
ole
cdac
com
lamp
life
is
measured
in
hours
so
if
you
normally
drive
in
half
daylight
and
half
night
your
lamps
will
have
to
be
replaced
twice
as
often
headlamps
only
cost
about
us
for
most
halogen
lamps
the
cost
to
the
individual
is
trivial
and
to
me
is
not
the
issue
what
don
like
is
the
distractions
all
these
cars
with
headlights
cause
don
need
to
constantly
see
the
headlights
of
the
vehicle
behind
me
don
need
to
see
the
headlights
of
every
gosh
darn
car
for
mile
down
the
road
these
lit
up
cars
make
non
illuminated
things
less
visible
like
pedistrians
and
bikes
hopefully
we
re
not
going
to
mandate
drl
for
people
and
bikes
too
stream
of
taillights
is
tolerable
as
are
the
orange
front
running
lights
this
is
certainly
sufficient
for
other
people
to
see
you
if
they
look
and
doesn
distract
me
nearly
as
much
as
full
power
headlights
mark
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how
do
you
take
off
the
driver
side
door
panel
from
the
inside
on
an
honda
prelude
the
speaker
went
scratchy
and
want
to
access
its
pins
see
only
one
press
button
and
the
rest
is
snug
fit
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from
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re
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dumbest
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edu
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gap
caltech
edu
followup
to
soc
women
lines
in
article
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caltech
edu
wen
king
cs
caltech
edu
wen
king
su
writes
this
has
me
thinking
is
there
biological
reason
why
women
can
put
their
keys
in
their
pants
pockets
like
men
do
have
two
pockets
on
the
back
of
each
of
my
pants
put
my
keys
in
one
and
wallent
in
another
many
of
the
pockets
even
have
botton
on
them
so
can
close
them
securely
everything
is
that
much
simpler
for
me
why
can
women
do
the
same
is
is
biological
ie
not
enough
room
for
bigger
bottom
plus
keys
and
wallet
or
is
it
the
way
they
are
raised
by
the
parents
oh
pulleeze
it
not
biology
at
all
it
clothing
design
women
clothing
is
generally
designed
to
be
as
non
functional
as
possible
it
only
been
in
the
last
five
years
or
so
that
you
could
buy
women
pants
with
pockets
deep
enough
to
carry
anything
in
previously
deep
pockets
were
virtually
unknown
in
women
clothing
skirts
generally
have
better
pockets
now
too
dresses
espcially
fancy
dresses
are
still
pretty
hopeless
often
hand
my
driver
license
over
to
my
husband
if
we
re
dressed
up
to
go
out
somewhere
so
don
have
to
be
encumbered
by
purse
if
women
consistently
bought
functional
clothing
and
boycotted
the
manufacturers
who
refuse
to
make
functional
women
clothing
think
manufacturers
would
tend
to
bow
to
market
pressures
there
an
interesting
chapter
in
susan
faludi
backlash
that
described
what
happened
the
last
time
clothing
manufacturers
ignored
the
need
for
functional
women
clothing
the
manufactuing
industry
lost
millions
from
woman
who
would
rather
buy
men
clothing
with
decent
pockets
and
long
legs
and
high
waists
than
women
clothing
without
lmann
jjmhome
uucp
internet
laurie
mann
genie
claiming
that
sex
education
leads
to
irresponsible
sex
is
like
claiming
that
driver
education
leads
to
car
accidents
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haddock
writes
found
mopar
spec
sheet
this
weekend
model
wgt
hp
stealth
stealth
es
stealth
rt
stealth
rt
tt
okay
ll
take
their
word
for
it
am
giving
every
chance
to
retract
figures
widely
known
the
mustang
is
rated
at
is
you
have
hp
advantage
over
mustang
seems
that
the
mustang
is
rated
at
hp
only
because
ford
changed
its
testing
procedures
under
the
older
procedures
it
still
rates
closer
to
hp
that
means
that
the
mustang
has
hp
more
and
you
still
haven
posted
any
weight
figures
for
the
mustang
big
threat
you
are
ko
by
civic
acording
to
yeah
sure
in
your
wet
dreams
and
that
probably
where
you
got
that
second
for
the
stealth
ll
check
issue
strange
that
you
claim
to
have
that
go
ahead
and
check
asshole
you
ll
realize
what
an
idiot
you
are
for
not
checking
data
beforeposting
car
drive
may
stealth
es
hp
automatic
for
posts
now
you
ve
been
harping
on
this
may
issue
of
car
driver
without
posting
any
numbers
why
not
because
they
prove
me
right
and
you
ain
got
the
guts
to
admit
it
yeah
thought
so
the
sentra
se
really
is
alot
quicker
than
the
hp
fwd
sports
car
you
are
close
to
the
sentra
go
look
up
the
numbers
in
and
report
please
no
going
to
play
your
game
no
way
sentra
are
slow
took
test
drive
and
it
took
to
go
why
even
the
hyundai
excel
blows
it
doors
off
any
yr
old
knows
that
race
and
ll
kick
your
butt
blah
blah
blah
let
see
yep
that
sounds
just
like
you
oh
man
just
got
it
beavis
butthead
that
you
who
would
buy
fwd
automatic
that
costs
that
is
capable
of
only
and
would
plainly
be
dusted
by
se
dunno
why
did
you
but
why
would
someone
pick
the
dodge
stealth
rt
over
the
nissan
sentra
all
it
takes
is
one
look
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edu
organization
stanford
center
for
space
science
and
astrophysics
lines
nntp
posting
host
daedalus
stanford
edu
in
reply
to
brad
thone
message
of
fri
apr
cst
in
article
foo
brad
thone
c09615bt
wuvmd
writes
well
there
is
difference
don
happen
to
have
my
sae
manual
handy
but
oil
viscosity
in
general
decreases
with
temperature
the
sae
numbers
are
based
on
typical
curve
that
oils
used
to
all
have
running
from
say
the
viscosity
of
room
temperature
weight
at
down
to
say
that
of
room
temperature
weight
at
for
typical
weight
oil
oils
that
are
designed
for
operation
in
normal
temperatures
just
have
weight
specification
oils
that
are
designed
for
operation
in
exceedingly
cold
temperatures
have
tacked
on
the
end
so
in
winter
in
cold
place
you
stick
in
your
car
in
the
winter
and
in
it
in
the
summer
to
approximate
the
appropriate
viscosity
throughout
the
year
modern
multi
viscosity
oils
change
viscosity
much
less
with
temperature
as
result
their
viscosity
graphs
cross
over
several
curves
multi
vis
specification
pegs
the
curve
at
two
temperatures
normal
operating
temperature
and
cold
one
though
can
remember
the
numbers
in
any
event
the
weights
do
indicate
significant
difference
remember
that
your
engine
is
temperature
regulated
by
the
thermostat
and
radiator
or
air
fins
most
of
the
time
unless
you
overheat
it
or
something
any
weight
of
oil
is
better
than
no
oil
or
than
very
old
carbonized
oil
thin
oil
won
in
general
lubricate
as
well
at
temperature
thicker
oil
will
like
w50
will
lubricate
better
at
temperature
but
not
as
well
during
startup
when
most
engine
wear
occurs
if
you
re
planning
on
making
long
drives
the
w50
is
probably
fine
esp
in
the
summer
in
your
w40
car
but
if
you
re
making
short
drives
stick
to
the
w40
don
drink
soap
dilute
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take
their
word
for
it
these
arethe
numbers
have
been
stating
in
the
past
messages
it
really
angers
me
that
you
insisted
you
were
right
and
that
you
had
no
clue
what
your
own
car
weighed
why
didn
you
check
when
first
told
you
that
your
figures
were
implausible
am
giving
every
chance
to
retract
figures
widely
known
the
mustang
is
rated
at
is
you
have
hp
advantage
over
mustang
seems
that
the
mustang
is
rated
at
hp
only
because
ford
changed
its
testing
procedures
under
the
older
procedures
it
still
rates
closer
to
hp
that
means
that
the
mustang
has
hp
more
like
to
hear
better
explanatin
of
how
you
come
to
that
conclusion
from
the
above
data
big
threat
you
are
ko
by
civic
acording
to
yeah
sure
in
your
wet
dreams
and
that
probably
where
you
got
no
sorry
your
wrong
again
you
quoted
the
del
sol
as
doing
in
according
to
interestingly
the
stealth
es
which
is
faster
than
your
rt
does
the
samerun
in
seconds
according
to
kind
of
embarassing
isn
it
why
didn
you
check
the
figures
before
posting
it
only
makes
you
look
stupid
when
you
are
caught
out
twice
with
your
own
figures
that
second
for
the
stealth
ll
check
issue
strange
that
you
claim
to
have
that
you
really
should
have
checked
go
ahead
and
check
asshole
you
ll
realize
what
an
idiot
you
are
for
not
checking
data
beforeposting
car
drive
may
stealth
es
hp
automatic
for
posts
now
you
ve
been
harping
on
this
may
issue
of
car
driver
without
posting
any
numbers
why
not
because
they
prove
me
right
and
you
ain
got
the
guts
to
admit
it
yeah
thought
so
if
you
insist
gave
you
every
chance
to
retract
but
dodge
stealth
es
auto
does
an
wonder
why
you
couldn
find
it
do
you
realize
that
sentra
will
run
that
sentra
se
or
saturn
will
run
in
the
don
you
think
it
is
kind
of
strange
that
your
hp
sports
car
is
so
easily
beaten
mustang
which
weights
about
the
same
according
to
your
numbers
has
less
power
and
is
much
quicker
care
to
explain
don
be
abusive
just
try
and
come
up
with
rational
explanation
of
where
those
hp
went
to
its
mystery
to
me
the
sentra
se
really
is
alot
quicker
than
the
hp
fwd
sports
car
you
are
close
to
the
sentra
go
look
up
the
numbers
in
and
report
please
no
going
to
play
your
game
no
way
sentra
are
slow
took
test
drive
and
it
took
to
go
why
even
the
hyundai
excel
blows
it
doors
guess
you
drove
speed
and
couldn
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to
use
for
parts
for
my
old
but
still
running
version
of
the
same
car
the
car
bought
has
good
tires
is
there
anything
in
particular
that
should
do
to
store
the
defunct
car
long
term
hate
to
have
parts
of
it
go
bad
someone
has
told
me
it
bad
for
the
tires
to
not
move
the
car
once
in
while
is
this
true
do
need
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the
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is
because
went
to
classic
car
meet
here
in
the
uk
and
saw
very
nice
old
de
soto
vintage
guess
with
wooden
artillery
type
wheels
etc
but
it
was
right
hand
drive
can
believe
that
desoto
produced
rhd
cars
just
for
the
uk
well
sweden
and
australia
and
lord
knows
wherever
else
used
to
drive
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
road
so
the
export
market
might
have
been
larger
then
than
just
the
uk
guessing
but
believe
in
the
twenties
we
probably
drove
mostly
down
cattle
trails
and
in
wagon
ruts
am
fairly
sure
that
placement
of
the
steering
wheel
was
pretty
much
arbitrary
to
the
company
at
that
time
by
the
there
was
very
active
good
roads
movement
which
had
its
origins
actually
in
the
during
the
bicycle
craze
picked
up
steam
in
the
teens
witness
the
linclon
highway
association
or
so
and
the
us
highway
support
act
real
name
something
different
in
that
first
pledged
federal
aid
to
states
and
counties
to
build
decent
roads
also
the
experience
of
widespread
use
of
trucks
for
domestic
transport
during
ww
convinced
the
government
that
good
raods
were
crucial
to
our
national
defense
anyway
by
the
there
were
plenty
of
good
roads
at
least
around
urban
areas
and
they
were
rapidly
expanding
into
the
countryside
this
was
the
era
after
all
of
the
first
auto
touring
fad
the
motel
the
auto
camp
ground
etc
two
good
books
on
the
subject
spring
to
mind
warren
belasco
america
on
the
road
title
may
not
be
exact
author
is
and
another
called
the
devil
wagon
in
god
country
author
forget
also
any
of
john
flink
or
john
bell
rae
auto
histories
as
to
placement
of
the
steering
wheel
being
arbitrary
by
the
early
teens
there
were
virtually
no
american
cars
that
did
not
have
the
wheel
on
the
left
in
the
early
days
cars
had
the
wheel
on
the
left
on
the
right
and
even
in
the
middle
as
well
as
sometimes
having
tiller
instead
of
wheel
this
was
standardized
fairly
early
on
though
don
know
why
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world
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ve
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wd
station
wagon
for
about
months
now
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happy
with
it
would
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an
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great
well
built
handles
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ve
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if
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tar
once
did
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on
narrow
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very
dodgey
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parts
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it
with
ease
havent
had
so
much
fun
driving
car
for
years
any
other
owners
out
there
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is
the
difference
between
the
ls300
es300
and
gs300
seems
lexus
can
stop
popping
out
new
models
let
me
put
it
like
this
the
only
similarity
between
the
three
models
is
the
or
liter
engine
displacement
actually
the
sc300
the
coupe
and
the
gs300
the
funky
looking
new
sedan
share
the
same
liter
inline
six
and
the
es300
popular
small
sedan
uses
v6
shared
with
the
camry
the
sc300
is
luxury
sports
coupe
the
gs300
is
the
new
luxury
sedan
and
the
es300
is
the
base
executive
sedan
all
three
look
completely
different
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and
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hell
of
lot
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room
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styling
and
abs
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four
wheel
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because
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saturn
dealers
make
on
car
think
most
will
agree
with
me
that
the
car
is
comparably
priced
with
its
competitors
that
is
they
aren
overpriced
compared
to
most
cars
in
their
class
don
understand
the
point
of
arguing
over
whether
the
dealer
makes
the
or
not
have
never
understood
what
the
big
deal
over
dealer
profits
is
either
the
only
thing
that
can
figure
out
is
that
people
believe
that
if
they
minimize
the
dealer
profit
they
will
minimize
their
total
out
of
pocket
expenses
for
the
car
while
this
may
be
true
in
some
cases
do
not
believe
that
it
is
generally
true
bought
saturn
sl
in
january
of
at
that
time
based
on
studying
car
prices
decided
that
there
was
no
comparable
car
that
was
priced
as
cheaply
as
the
saturn
sure
maybe
could
have
talked
the
price
for
some
other
car
to
the
saturn
price
but
my
out
of
pocket
expenses
wouldn
have
been
any
different
what
important
to
me
is
how
much
money
have
left
after
buy
the
car
reducing
dealer
profit
is
not
the
same
thing
as
saving
money
show
me
how
reducing
dealer
profit
saves
me
money
and
ll
believe
that
it
important
my
experience
has
been
that
reducing
dealer
profit
does
not
necessarily
save
me
money
fred
say
you
bought
your
saturn
at
with
dealer
profit
of
if
the
dealer
profit
is
then
you
would
only
be
paying
for
the
same
car
so
isn
that
saving
money
yes
but
the
point
is
that
prices
are
competetive
saturn
may
well
be
selling
car
intended
on
giving
the
dealer
profit
but
since
comperable
honda
with
profit
is
more
expensive
it
may
be
well
worth
it
to
buy
the
saturn
moreover
if
saturn
really
does
reduce
the
dealer
profit
margin
by
then
their
cars
will
be
even
better
deals
say
if
the
price
of
saturn
was
already
below
market
average
for
the
class
of
cars
then
after
they
reduce
the
dealer
profit
it
would
be
below
market
average
it
will
attract
even
more
people
to
buy
saturns
because
it
would
save
them
money
force
the
competitors
to
lower
their
prices
to
survive
now
not
only
will
saturn
owners
benefit
from
lower
dealer
profit
even
the
buyers
for
other
cars
will
pay
less
not
necessarily
it
seems
to
me
that
saturn
salesdroids
who
don
make
commision
whereas
their
counterparts
at
other
dealerships
generally
do
make
more
per
hour
or
whatever
this
means
that
saturn
doesn
give
up
the
profit
to
their
employees
through
commision
which
is
taken
out
of
per
car
profits
they
just
pass
it
along
to
less
pressureing
salesmen
women
isn
that
saving
money
maybe
maybe
not
depends
on
accounting
practices
rather
pay
more
for
dealer
service
that
doesn
cut
corners
to
contain
costs
doug
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question
really
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dealer
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the
amount
of
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the
type
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ve
settled
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new
subaru
wagon
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the
similar
amount
of
money
saturn
dealer
asked
for
sw1
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it
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got
better
car
though
have
to
adjust
my
initial
idea
of
why
am
getting
new
car
today
during
conversion
with
friend
learned
he
rejected
saturn
for
ford
tarurs
as
it
only
costed
him
little
bit
more
than
sl2
may
be
wrong
but
loaded
tarus
beats
saturn
sl2
agree
that
fully
loaded
sl2
would
come
close
in
price
to
lower
end
ford
taurus
fully
loaded
taurus
on
the
other
hand
would
still
be
substantially
more
expensive
than
even
the
most
glitzy
sl2
fully
loaded
sl2
would
run
somewhere
around
while
fully
loaded
taurus
lx
would
be
somewhere
around
the
range
base
taurus
gl
believe
might
start
around
of
course
there
is
the
taurus
sho
which
can
push
if
you
really
try
but
this
is
totally
different
car
than
your
mainstream
taurus
sedan
your
statement
was
not
entirely
faulty
just
little
inaccurate
can
see
saturn
is
of
better
value
and
that
is
why
was
puzzled
by
its
pricings
oh
we
did
not
spend
much
time
getting
our
deals
being
better
informed
has
its
advantages
well
that
ok
at
least
you
re
not
bitching
about
dealer
profits
like
some
of
the
other
netters
are
you
seem
to
have
rationally
picked
out
the
car
that
is
best
for
you
the
loyale
is
an
aging
design
that
is
about
to
be
replaced
by
the
impreza
wagon
so
you
probably
got
good
deal
on
one
of
the
last
ones
then
again
may
be
wrong
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demosthenis
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don
you
look
again
at
motor
trend
slalom
times
they
are
right
along
with
the
integra
and
the
car
does
that
with
small
inch
tires
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are
all
weather
xgtv4
not
to
mention
that
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integra
rides
alot
better
than
beretta
my
gs
came
with
xgt
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and
they
are
not
all
weather
tires
took
out
my
right
front
bumper
sliding
on
packed
snow
not
ice
before
learned
this
fact
immediately
bought
xgt
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which
are
definately
all
weather
carrera
walk
by
everyday
has
xgt
v4s
on
it
even
the
michelin
dealer
where
bought
my
new
tires
said
the
v4s
were
made
out
of
different
rubber
that
gets
really
hard
and
slick
when
the
weather
gets
near
feezing
said
he
only
try
to
sell
me
those
tires
during
the
winter
if
we
were
in
texas
and
not
colorado
thanks
eric
an
inactive
lifestyle
eric
lorenzo
violates
our
genetic
warranty
lorenzo
rintintin
colorado
edu
not
to
excercise
is
not
also
spot
ucsu
to
be
fully
human
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johnsgard
path
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dec
com
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it2691
from
it2691
doc
cs
nyu
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tim
tsai
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rec
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subject
awd
bmw
message
id
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date
apr
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lines
received
by
usenet
pa
dec
com
id
aa12484
mon
apr
received
by
inet
gw
pa
dec
com
id
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mon
apr
received
by
doc
cs
nyu
edu
id
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tue
apr
to
rec
autos
usenet
mailer
elm
version
pl2
any
truth
to
the
rumor
of
an
awd
series
for
believe
this
info
was
published
in
either
popular
science
or
autoweek
couple
of
months
ago
also
friend
told
me
that
bmw
used
to
make
an
awd
called
the
ix
appreciate
any
info
about
this
car
too
thanks
thanks
tim
newsgroups
rec
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wupost
eclnews
cec1
mps1
from
mps1
cec1
wustl
edu
mihir
pramod
shah
subject
re
saturn
performance
was
re
saturn
puzzled
by
its
pricing
message
id
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wuecl
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edu
sender
usenet
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news
administrator
nntp
posting
host
cec1
organization
washington
university
st
louis
mo
references
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gatech
edu
apr01
watson
ibm
com
fjdcfu00iv2i9kap
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cmu
edu
distribution
na
date
tue
apr
gmt
lines
in
article
fjdcfu00iv2i9kap
andrew
cmu
edu
jason
roth
jr4q
andrew
cmu
edu
writes
can
imagine
any
civic
or
saturn
owners
flex
there
egos
in
stop
light
races
it
generates
as
much
excitement
as
two
nerds
challenging
each
other
in
game
of
one
on
one
basketball
the
sl2
does
in
about
note
that
this
is
closer
to
than
to
paseo
or
storm
pseudo
sporty
cars
that
ridiculous
comparison
know
but
the
point
is
that
saturns
and
high
end
civics
for
that
matter
accelerate
just
fine
in
fact
better
than
most
unimproved
muscle
cars
of
the
hp
is
great
but
tied
to
tons
it
just
doesn
go
that
quick
saturns
on
the
other
hand
use
hp
tied
to
lbs
with
some
short
gearing
to
move
very
quickly
off
the
line
anyway
while
your
time
is
consistent
with
most
car
magazines
and
reports
saw
the
pbs
motorweek
show
clock
speed
sl2
at
seconds
sure
that
most
sl2
owners
will
be
very
lucky
to
get
this
speed
but
seconds
is
still
astonishingly
fast
for
small
door
new
civic
ex
runs
about
seconds
if
not
mistaken
most
cars
in
this
class
are
lucky
to
be
in
the
second
range
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shah
path
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com
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edu
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re
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organization
clearer
than
blir
lines
message
id
apr06
engr
washington
edu
references
aa07384
doc
cs
nyu
edu
nntp
posting
host
in
europe
you
can
buy
ix
with
computer
controlled
diffs
rather
than
the
horrid
viscous
coupled
ones
of
the
outgoing
ix
eliot
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cs
utexas
edu
uunet
pipex
sunic
celsiustech
se
kega
from
kega
celsiustech
se
kent
gabrin
subject
re
did
us
drive
on
the
left
message
id
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se
organization
celsiustech
ab
references
ppqkm
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apr6
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org
date
tue
apr
gmt
lines
in
article
apr6
cactus
org
boyle
cactus
org
craig
boyle
writes
deleted
lines
well
sweden
and
australia
and
lord
knows
wherever
else
used
to
drive
on
australians
still
do
drive
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
road
believe
sweden
changed
in
the
way
heard
it
was
that
they
swapped
all
the
traffic
signs
around
one
sunday
as
live
in
sweden
remember
the
day
perfectly
well
we
changed
side
or
sep
don
remeber
the
exactly
time
but
it
was
in
the
night
in
the
big
cities
like
stockholm
gothenburg
all
trafic
was
forbidden
exept
busses
and
taxis
during
the
whole
weekend
the
day
was
sunday
and
everything
was
prepared
in
before
before
the
day
we
was
told
to
follow
the
yellow
lines
on
the
road
and
after
it
was
the
white
one
that
matters
the
signs
with
arrows
on
was
prepared
with
left
mode
label
that
was
torn
off
that
night
to
reveal
the
new
right
mode
arrow
the
year
after
iceland
also
changed
about
cars
before
the
day
as
in
hoegertrafik
hoeger
is
swedish
and
stands
for
right
practically
all
cars
already
had
their
steering
wheels
on
the
left
side
even
the
imported
cars
from
uk
had
the
wheel
on
the
right
side
at
last
we
have
cars
with
the
wheels
on
the
right
side
more
contries
that
uses
the
left
side
is
japan
tanzania
think
new
zeeland
how
about
south
africa
btw
some
sais
that
the
left
side
is
the
right
side
because
ivanhoe
and
other
knights
meet
at
the
left
when
they
fight
in
tournaments
deleted
lines
kent
gabrin
celsiustech
systems
my
thinking
is
not
as
great
as
jaerfaella
sweden
oliver
berendinus
bumble
will
try
kega
celsiustech
se
company
sold
again
former
name
was
nobeltech
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what
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distribution
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id
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references
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caltech
edu
reply
to
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bbsls23
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nntp
posting
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co
uk
and
all
of
these
cars
are
driven
fairly
hard
none
of
them
are
at
the
head
of
line
of
cars
going
mph
the
first
two
spend
lot
of
their
operating
life
with
the
speedometer
pegged
and
the
only
reason
the
doesn
is
it
has
mph
speedo
what
want
to
know
is
have
all
you
people
who
hate
volvos
been
traumatized
by
someone
in
turbo
wagon
blowing
you
away
on
the
road
or
what
turbo
in
uk
was
good
for
mph
useful
for
blowing
away
vw
beetles
though
believe
the
beetle
corners
better
can
say
without
any
doubt
that
have
never
been
blown
away
by
any
volvo
ever
ve
been
blocked
into
few
car
parks
though
by
shit
head
volvo
owners
who
only
thought
they
be
few
minutes
this
does
not
happen
with
the
owners
of
any
other
makes
of
car
not
sure
how
long
the
small
shit
box
volvos
last
too
damn
long
the
worst
car
ever
drove
was
hired
in
power
handling
and
ride
it
was
reminiscent
of
something
from
the
without
the
character
the
only
ceased
production
couple
of
years
back
ve
only
been
passenger
in
the
big
volvos
but
that
was
enough
ought
to
go
for
test
drive
because
they
offer
some
neat
gifts
path
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bob
haar
writes
in
article
kocrsv01
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kocrsv01
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john
mooney
writes
someone
writes
btw
somebody
stole
the
front
grille
off
my
beat
up
nissan
sentra
few
weeks
ago
couldn
believe
it
just
driving
around
without
it
now
years
ago
my
brother
lived
in
rough
area
he
left
his
nova
parked
on
the
street
in
front
of
his
house
for
few
days
one
day
he
went
to
move
it
back
into
the
driveway
it
wouldn
start
seems
some
industrious
fool
needed
nova
gas
tank
the
fool
found
one
under
my
brothers
car
the
engines
in
vw
beatles
are
quite
easy
to
remove
without
entering
the
car
or
even
opening
the
engine
compartment
how
would
you
like
to
find
that
your
car
wouldn
start
because
the
engine
was
stolen
would
probobly
feel
hell
of
lot
poorer
gas
tank
is
about
in
junkyard
an
engine
more
seriously
though
my
other
brother
darrell
left
his
vw
on
the
same
street
someone
stole
the
radiator
out
of
it
try
finding
vw
radiator
in
junkyard
dare
you
jd
john
mooney
delco
electronics
general
motors
jdmooney
kocrsv01
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opinions
expressed
are
mine
not
necessarily
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or
gm
path
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bullet
proof
luxury
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message
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bedfellow
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bedfellow
mit
edu
chsu
mtl
mit
edu
charles
hsu
writes
am
interested
to
find
out
if
there
is
any
domestic
car
manufacturer
especially
gm
and
ford
which
produces
bullet
proof
luxury
sedans
understand
caddy
is
working
on
one
double
battery
super
high
perf
engine
more
gauges
bit
stretched
etc
lots
of
communication
equipment
the
works
color
selection
is
limited
though
the
problem
is
that
the
guy
at
penn
avenue
is
about
to
get
it
pres
clinton
last
time
it
was
lincoln
this
time
caddy
am
just
wondering
if
this
so
called
bullet
proof
perhaps
reinforced
windows
special
materials
for
the
body
engine
etc
luxury
car
lincoln
and
cadillac
models
is
readily
available
to
the
public
not
to
my
knowledge
know
gm
does
conversion
work
for
things
like
hot
climates
the
chevy
caprices
sold
to
the
middle
east
but
things
like
that
are
always
done
by
third
parties
not
the
manufacturer
maybe
you
will
need
to
buy
specific
package
that
has
beefed
up
everything
perhaps
the
police
cruiser
package
on
the
caprice
crown
vic
and
start
from
there
do
we
have
to
go
through
any
special
dealership
to
obtain
these
cars
would
really
like
to
hear
from
anyone
who
has
experience
with
the
bullet
proof
cars
and
wuz
drivin
along
in
my
armored
seville
sts
and
this
punk
pulls
out
of
nowhere
with
an
rpg
rocket
propelled
grenade
but
the
bulletproof
windshield
stopped
him
don
think
many
people
on
the
net
have
need
for
bulletproof
cars
check
with
local
armored
service
companies
security
bodyguard
places
they
know
best
think
your
average
luxury
car
dealer
will
have
coronary
if
you
told
them
ll
take
the
blue
caprice
with
options
fz01
fuzzy
dice
pr11
power
everything
and
ar007
armor
any
information
regarding
the
dealers
and
after
market
shops
that
have
bullet
proof
lincoln
and
cadillac
is
greatly
appreciated
you
may
email
me
at
chsu
mtl
mit
edu
or
post
the
message
in
this
newsgroup
if
you
believe
other
netters
might
be
interested
as
well
btw
same
information
on
mercedes
benz
bmw
lexus
and
infiniti
luxury
sedans
is
needed
as
well
if
you
have
it
believe
an
article
on
the
conversion
process
appeared
in
the
car
press
within
the
last
few
months
spiros
spiros
triantafyllopoulos
c23st
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com
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technology
delco
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hughes
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in
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help
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dos
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windows
lines
since
loading
windows
two
of
my
dos
applications
have
been
acting
strangely
it
appears
that
font
changes
and
page
orientation
changes
so
far
are
not
being
recognized
in
wordperfect
dos
and
quattropro
dos
another
dos
application
does
accept
font
and
page
orientation
changes
so
don
think
the
problem
is
with
the
printer
reloaded
quattropro
and
these
changes
are
still
not
accepted
whether
launching
from
windows
or
the
dos
prompt
does
anyone
have
any
suggestions
as
to
where
to
look
or
how
to
correct
this
problem
ve
ordered
quattropro
for
windows
but
need
landscape
application
printed
immediately
please
mail
thanks
in
advance
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bittner
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constellation
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uoknor
edu
callison
uokmax
ecn
uoknor
edu
james
callison
writes
no
at
six
years
you
are
nearing
the
end
of
the
design
life
of
the
vehicle
when
everything
should
be
breaking
at
that
point
the
driving
habits
make
more
difference
than
the
actual
reliability
of
the
vehicle
so
the
data
becomes
unreliable
for
drawing
conclusions
bad
driving
habits
can
damage
car
in
couple
of
months
not
years
if
that
were
not
the
case
everyone
would
be
driving
fleet
rental
re
solds
and
while
you
are
considering
things
factors
in
stat
terms
how
about
city
vs
highway
driving
ratios
owner
vs
dealer
service
extreme
weather
or
environment
adherence
sp
to
maintenance
schedules
whether
the
car
has
ever
been
in
an
accident
number
of
different
drivers
of
the
same
car
in
family
whether
the
car
is
garaged
warmed
up
spiros
spiros
triantafyllopoulos
c23st
kocrsv01
delcoelect
com
software
technology
delco
electronics
gm
hughes
electronics
kokomo
in
different
kind
of
disclaimer
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dt
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tobias
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mil
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kevin
parker
writes
like
to
get
some
feedback
on
car
with
most
bang
for
the
buck
in
the
to
price
range
looking
for
car
with
enough
civility
to
be
driven
every
day
or
even
on
long
trips
but
when
hit
the
gas
want
to
feel
some
acceleration
handling
is
important
also
as
are
reliability
and
pretty
low
maintenance
costs
stylish
appearance
is
nice
but
don
want
car
that
is
all
show
and
not
much
go
even
though
many
of
the
imports
are
fast
don
really
want
turbo
and
never
have
cared
for
the
song
sung
by
four
clyinder
prefer
v6
or
v8
for
the
engine
if
you
have
any
suggestions
kevin
parker
there
only
one
car
that
really
fits
your
needs
it
spelled
liter
mustang
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edu
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finnegan
from
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navy
mil
as
an
additional
data
point
have
run
castrol
w50
exclusively
in
the
following
cars
rabbit
scirocco
rabbit
bus
beetle
bus
jetta
gli
ve
never
had
an
oil
related
problem
disclaimer
it
gets
mighty
hot
down
here
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edu
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colorado
edu
organization
centerline
software
inc
lines
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posting
host
dunnjj
ucsu
colorado
edu
dunn
jonathan
james
writes
ak296
yfn
ysu
edu
john
daker
writes
cup
holders
driving
is
an
importantant
enough
undertaking
this
is
good
idea
so
you
can
carry
your
non
alcoholic
drinks
without
spilling
or
having
someone
hold
on
to
them
agree
six
hour
long
stretches
behind
the
wheel
really
make
me
thirsty
especially
for
something
with
caffeine
consider
it
failing
of
my
car
that
it
has
no
cup
holder
nor
anywhere
to
put
cup
holder
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pipex
marble
uknet
ac
uk
mcsun
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funet
fi
news
lut
fi
jahonen
from
jahonen
cc
lut
fi
jarmo
ahonen
subject
re
what
is
volvo
sender
news
lut
fi
usenet
news
message
id
c52co2
dnl
lut
fi
date
tue
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gmt
references
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gap
caltech
edu
prno8innrri
bnsgd245
bnr
co
uk
nntp
posting
host
cc
lut
fi
organization
lappeenranta
university
of
technology
finland
lines
boyle
bbsls23
bnr
ian
boyle
writes
turbo
in
uk
was
good
for
mph
useful
for
blowing
away
vw
beetles
though
believe
the
beetle
corners
better
can
say
without
any
doubt
that
have
never
been
blown
away
by
any
volvo
ever
ve
been
blocked
into
few
car
parks
though
by
shit
head
volvo
owners
who
only
thought
they
be
few
minutes
this
does
not
happen
with
the
owners
of
any
other
makes
of
car
not
sure
how
long
the
small
shit
box
volvos
last
too
damn
long
the
worst
car
ever
drove
was
hired
in
power
handling
and
ride
it
was
reminiscent
of
something
from
the
without
the
character
the
only
ceased
production
couple
of
years
back
ve
only
been
passenger
in
the
big
volvos
but
that
was
enough
ought
to
go
for
test
drive
because
they
offer
some
neat
gifts
oh
well
have
to
admit
that
the
most
disgusting
feature
of
volvo
is
their
marketing
it
looks
like
volvo
uses
something
like
do
you
dare
to
risk
your
family
in
any
car
attitude
which
is
quite
annoying
in
the
long
run
but
now
volvo
has
produced
new
good
car
the
volvo
front
drive
valves
motor
completely
new
chassis
etc
even
the
british
magazine
car
liked
it
and
believe
me
that
is
quite
much
for
volvo
and
the
american
magazine
road
track
said
that
this
is
not
your
uncle
olof
car
and
in
positive
sense
but
in
any
case
still
like
to
own
the
estate
strong
tank
like
chassis
inline
six
rear
drive
btw
the
only
car
drivers
who
have
blocked
me
are
land
rover
or
jaguar
drivers
what
you
mean
what
drive
cheapo
japanese
toyota
of
course
do
not
have
money
for
car
like
bmw
merc
jaguar
saab
volvo
or
etc
if
had
the
money
would
have
bad
problems
deciding
which
one
to
buy
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ericsson
se
markus
strobl
subject
re
photo
radar
was
re
rec
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frequently
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id
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se
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to
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se
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ab
references
apr5
viewlogic
com
date
tue
apr
gmt
lines
in
article
viewlogic
com
brad
buck
viewlogic
com
bradford
kellogg
writes
in
article
mar20
cabot
balltown
cma
com
welty
cabot
balltown
cma
com
richard
welty
writes
what
is
ka
band
radar
where
is
it
used
should
radar
detector
be
able
to
handle
it
ka
band
has
recently
been
made
available
by
the
fcc
for
use
in
the
us
in
so
called
photo
radar
installations
in
these
installations
low
powered
beam
is
aimed
across
the
road
at
degree
angle
to
the
direction
of
traffic
and
picture
is
taken
of
vehicles
which
the
radar
unit
determines
to
have
been
in
violation
of
the
speed
limit
tickets
are
mailed
to
the
owner
of
the
vehicle
because
of
the
low
power
and
the
degree
angle
many
people
believe
that
radar
detector
cannot
give
reasonable
warning
of
ka
band
radar
unit
although
some
manufacturers
of
radar
detectors
have
added
such
capability
anyway
the
number
of
locales
where
photo
radar
is
in
use
is
limited
and
some
question
the
legality
of
such
units
best
advice
learn
what
photo
radar
units
look
like
and
keep
track
of
where
they
are
used
or
else
don
speed
photo
radar
and
mailed
tickets
make
no
sense
at
all
speeding
is
moving
violation
committed
by
the
operator
not
the
owner
the
owner
may
be
rental
agency
dealer
private
party
or
government
agency
as
long
as
the
owner
has
no
reason
to
expect
the
operator
will
be
driving
illegally
or
unsafely
the
owner
cannot
be
held
responsible
for
what
the
operator
does
the
car
may
even
have
been
driven
without
the
owner
knowledge
or
consent
can
believe
mailed
ticket
where
the
driver
is
not
identified
would
stand
up
in
court
this
is
obviously
lazy
cynical
boneheaded
fascist
way
to
extort
revenue
and
has
nothing
to
do
with
public
safety
bk
we
had
those
photo
radar
things
here
in
sweden
while
ago
there
was
lot
of
fuzz
about
them
and
lot
of
sabotage
too
spray
can
with
touch
up
paint
can
do
lot
of
good
eventually
they
had
to
drop
the
idea
as
there
were
lot
of
court
cases
where
the
owner
of
the
car
could
prove
he
didn
drive
it
at
the
time
of
speeding
especially
recall
case
where
it
eventually
proved
to
be
car
thief
that
had
stolen
car
and
made
false
plates
he
ofcourse
chose
license
number
of
identical
car
so
the
photo
seemed
correct
in
conclosion
photo
radar
sucks
every
way
you
look
at
it
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com
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com
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eric
sad
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com
eric
lucas
subject
clifford
delta
car
alarm
sender
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sr
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com
news
administrator
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com
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organization
hp
sonoma
county
srsd
mwtd
mid
newsreader
tin
version
pl6
lines
just
found
great
deal
on
clifford
delta
car
alarm
installed
comes
with
glass
break
sensor
motion
detector
and
shock
detector
does
anyone
have
one
of
these
alarms
are
they
any
good
from
the
looks
of
it
its
about
the
best
on
the
market
for
the
price
it
also
on
sale
so
that
another
reason
to
get
it
think
ll
be
saving
almost
any
opinions
eric
lucas
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id
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references
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igw
world
std
com
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seven
up
east
sun
com
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ji
world
std
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nntp
posting
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andrew
cmu
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in
reply
to
c51hn0
ji
world
std
com
in
article
pq29p
seven
up
east
sun
com
jfox
hooksett
east
sun
com
writes
any
reason
you
are
limited
to
the
two
mentioned
they
aren
really
at
the
same
point
along
the
suv
spectrum
not
to
mention
price
range
how
about
the
explorer
trooper
blazer
montero
and
if
the
budget
allows
the
land
cruiser
any
advice
on
how
to
buy
land
cruiser
my
local
toyota
dealer
says
they
get
two
year
and
if
want
one
can
just
get
on
the
waiting
list
forget
about
test
drive
or
even
kicking
the
tires
and
if
they
are
that
rare
doubt
there
is
much
of
parts
inventory
on
hand
land
crusier
is
just
simply
nice
with
shit
load
of
power
and
room
fully
stocked
it
cost
think
it
is
worth
the
money
only
problem
is
when
you
get
into
accident
it
doesn
usually
break
down
unless
you
forget
to
get
oil
change
for
miles
or
something
stupid
like
this
body
parts
and
other
parts
are
very
hard
to
locate
parts
are
over
priced
also
one
of
my
friend
had
accident
in
past
snow
storm
and
he
is
still
waiting
for
front
bumper
and
passenger
side
fender
well
if
you
test
drive
land
cruiser
all
other
suv
look
like
toys
one
of
magazine
writer
called
it
land
bruiser
if
you
have
to
spare
for
suv
get
land
cruiser
and
forget
lange
rover
sang
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news
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edu
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wupost
howland
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ins
cwru
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acs
ohio
state
edu
jnielsen
from
jnielsen
magnus
acs
ohio
state
edu
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org
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news
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state
edu
organization
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ohio
state
university
lines
nntp
posting
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acs
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state
edu
in
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apr6
cactus
org
boyle
cactus
org
craig
boyle
writes
miles
rare
screw
up
by
honda
both
the
gtz
and
gsr
are
flawed
cars
the
performance
enthusiasts
would
take
the
gtz
and
the
cr
purchase
would
be
the
gsr
the
cr
purchase
would
be
the
ford
probe
gt
john
john
nielsen
magnus
consultant
to
you
baldrick
the
renaissance
was
just
something
that
happened
to
other
people
wasn
it
the
black
adder
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torn
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ca
watserv1
metrics
com
tomh
from
tomh
metrics
com
tom
haapanen
subject
re
top
reasons
why
love
cr
not
for
the
humor
impaired
organization
software
metrics
inc
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na
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message
id
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com
references
apr01
engr
washington
edu
apr3
nuscc
nus
sg
lines
chints
iscs
nus
sg
writes
here
are
another
ten
reasons
why
we
should
all
love
cr
car
salesmen
love
their
new
car
buying
service
car
salesmen
rec
auto
readers
turned
into
expert
statistics
critics
lucky
owners
of
cr
unreliable
cars
who
say
mine
never
had
problem
those
same
owners
joining
the
sceptics
few
months
later
and
later
subscribing
to
cr
and
taking
it
soooo
seriously
and
later
on
buying
cr
idealized
family
sedan
and
my
number
the
spectacle
of
the
religious
fervour
of
the
cr
true
believers
tom
haapanen
tomh
metrics
com
software
metrics
inc
waterloo
ont
stick
your
index
fingers
into
both
corners
of
your
mouth
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you
think
that
windows
is
useable
you
must
not
use
it
much
windows
version
of
crash
protection
is
wearing
helmet
while
computing
the
arir
air
bag
is
an
expensive
add
on
brett
you
must
of
read
too
many
os
advertisements
crash
protection
is
such
marketing
gimick
it
isn
funny
out
of
months
of
using
windows
on
my
new
machine
ve
only
had
it
crash
once
and
don
have
run
of
the
mill
configuration
microsoft
is
not
leader
in
innovation
but
they
certainly
know
how
to
build
better
mousetrap
now
what
wrong
with
that
larry
ludes
ludwig
it
always
taken
me
twice
to
get
clemson
university
compsci
undergrad
it
right
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never
heard
of
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if
this
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faq
is
there
faq
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for
this
group
am
an
infrequent
reader
of
rec
autos
so
can
remember
am
in
the
market
for
used
chevy
suburban
and
have
observed
that
prices
for
models
with
diesel
engines
run
about
less
than
comparable
models
with
gas
engine
there
has
to
be
reason
for
this
yes
there
is
consumer
confusion
in
the
early
with
the
fuel
crisis
etc
everyone
wanted
better
fuel
mileage
diesel
fuel
was
the
cheapest
fuel
available
and
usually
provides
better
mileage
than
comparable
gasoline
engines
so
gm
decided
to
conver
their
gas
engine
into
diesel
engine
think
was
liter
big
mistake
the
engine
was
not
redesigned
but
converted
the
engine
could
not
handle
the
higher
compression
etc
lots
of
problems
with
these
cars
this
thew
up
big
red
flag
to
the
casual
observer
don
buy
diesel
they
are
bad
this
was
gross
generalization
ask
yourself
this
question
if
your
livelihood
depended
on
driving
lots
of
it
would
you
use
dependable
or
undependable
but
cheaper
in
the
short
run
vehicle
what
do
greyhound
busses
have
in
them
trailer
trucks
even
train
locomotives
are
these
gasoline
engines
no
they
are
diesel
tractor
trailer
truck
manufacturers
provide
mile
warrantee
with
they
vehicles
own
an
diesel
suburban
the
diesel
is
great
engine
just
keeps
going
it
was
more
expensive
when
new
than
the
gasoline
engine
vehicle
was
the
only
problem
with
diesel
engines
is
that
when
they
need
to
be
rebuilt
they
are
expensive
in
gas
engine
you
will
pay
about
for
rebuild
diesel
is
about
but
then
again
the
diesel
engine
lasts
about
twice
as
long
and
gets
about
better
mileage
carburator
for
gasoline
engine
costs
about
to
rebuild
or
less
rebuild
of
the
fuel
injection
pump
on
diesel
will
cost
about
or
more
but
then
again
you
never
need
tune
up
if
you
re
looking
at
rebuilt
say
you
got
great
deal
check
to
see
if
the
fuel
injection
pump
was
rebuilt
also
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of
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cleaning
by
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mount
writes
in
your
experience
how
true
is
it
that
fuel
injector
cleaning
will
do
much
more
good
than
just
using
detergent
gas
while
agree
that
clogged
fuel
injector
would
darken
my
day
how
clogged
do
they
get
and
is
good
price
or
can
do
it
myself
by
buying
can
of
what
and
doing
what
fuel
injector
cleaning
at
the
dealer
is
probably
little
more
than
them
opening
your
gas
tank
dumping
in
bottle
of
fuel
injector
cleaner
and
sending
you
on
your
merry
way
poorer
go
to
kmart
and
buy
the
cleaner
yourself
for
just
because
you
dealer
sez
you
need
it
don
mean
it
necessarily
so
be
suspicious
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glen
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writes
the
kind
of
corporate
raiding
apparently
undertaken
by
vw
is
shameful
agreed
however
the
particular
execs
had
been
working
with
iggy
for
many
years
and
had
left
gm
europe
to
go
to
detroit
with
their
raison
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reincarnate
writes
how
do
you
take
off
the
driver
side
door
panel
from
the
inside
on
an
honda
prelude
the
speaker
went
scratchy
and
want
to
access
its
pins
there
is
something
going
on
here
it
seems
that
once
month
the
vw
group
must
have
get
specific
detailed
question
about
hondas
would
like
to
ask
that
next
month
we
get
one
about
hyundai
instead
of
honda
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you
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beth
schwindt
writes
this
has
me
thinking
is
there
biological
reason
why
women
can
put
their
keys
in
their
pants
pockets
like
men
do
have
two
pockets
on
the
back
of
each
of
my
pants
put
my
keys
in
one
and
wallent
in
another
many
of
the
pockets
even
have
botton
on
them
so
can
close
them
securely
everything
is
that
much
simpler
for
me
why
can
women
do
the
same
is
is
biological
ie
not
enough
room
for
bigger
bottom
plus
keys
and
wallet
or
is
it
the
way
they
are
raised
by
the
parents
ve
found
that
it
has
to
do
with
the
way
women
clothes
are
made
if
you
put
keys
in
the
front
pocket
of
women
jeans
or
slacks
you
get
bulge
that
also
tends
to
make
it
impossible
to
sit
down
because
they
stick
you
constantly
ditto
in
the
back
pocket
also
try
looking
at
the
back
pockets
of
women
jeans
and
compare
them
to
the
back
pockets
on
men
jeans
they
are
usually
if
you
buy
jeans
that
you
expect
to
last
for
any
length
of
time
about
half
the
size
there
flat
out
isn
room
for
wallet
or
bunch
of
keys
besides
which
where
would
men
put
all
their
crap
if
their
wives
didn
carry
purses
the
same
place
single
men
do
wallet
in
back
pocket
comb
in
other
back
pocket
keys
in
front
pocket
knive
in
other
from
pocket
pen
in
shirt
pocket
or
front
pants
pocket
or
do
married
men
start
carrying
around
bunch
of
stuff
to
keep
there
women
happy
beth
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anyone
know
the
performance
ratings
for
or
ho
mustang
lx
like
the
time
mile
and
top
end
also
can
you
tell
me
which
magazine
where
these
come
from
so
can
look
them
up
if
possable
if
you
could
the
year
and
month
and
eveen
page
if
you
have
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made
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lines
mercedes
benz
announced
yesterday
its
plans
to
begin
building
sport
utility
vehicles
in
the
us
by
they
are
targeted
at
the
jeep
grand
cherokee
et
al
and
will
reportedly
sell
for
less
than
did
anyone
see
picture
is
it
the
wagon
gelaendewagen
currently
available
in
europe
and
in
the
us
by
grey
market
or
is
it
an
entirely
new
vehicle
any
details
would
be
appreciated
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meyer
applied
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in
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writes
mercedes
benz
announced
yesterday
its
plans
to
begin
building
sport
utility
vehicles
in
the
us
by
they
are
targeted
at
the
jeep
grand
cherokee
et
al
and
will
reportedly
sell
for
less
than
did
anyone
see
picture
is
it
the
wagon
gelaendewagen
currently
there
is
picture
in
the
may
edition
of
european
car
although
it
may
not
be
on
the
shelf
yet
some
things
that
the
article
says
prototype
has
front
wheel
drive
first
front
drive
for
mercedes
since
the
beginning
of
wwii
wheelbase
seater
they
claim
that
the
price
will
be
about
the
same
as
renault
espace
or
chrysler
voyager
dm
looking
at
the
picture
slightly
disguised
it
looks
like
the
ford
aerostar
to
me
available
in
europe
and
in
the
us
by
grey
market
or
is
it
an
entirely
new
vehicle
any
details
would
be
appreciated
dick
meyer
applied
research
laboratory
penn
state
larry
keys
csmes
ncsl
nist
gov
oo
fahrvergnugen
forever
the
fact
that
need
to
explain
it
to
you
indicates
that
you
probably
wouldn
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put
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bitmaps
in
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right
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it
will
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you
all
about
bitmaps
and
the
thousands
of
establishments
like
mine
that
you
have
just
cost
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of
them
have
very
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in
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navo
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kenneth
finnegan
wrote
as
an
additional
data
point
have
run
castrol
w50
exclusively
in
the
following
cars
rabbit
scirocco
rabbit
bus
beetle
bus
jetta
gli
ve
never
had
an
oil
related
problem
add
mine
to
that
list
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bugs
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cringe
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tercel
it
my
wife
car
honest
still
chicken
about
running
it
in
the
vanagon
that
got
castrol
w40
in
it
don
understand
this
last
statement
about
the
vanagon
our
vanagon
owner
manual
recommends
w50
ari
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vw
fanatic
bug
bug
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and
now
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my
friend
david
gordon
wants
to
sell
his
honda
some
of
the
details
of
th
car
are
as
follows
five
speed
am
fm
cassette
stereo
ps
pb
rear
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obo
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re
necessity
of
fuel
injector
cleaning
by
dealership
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grey
writes
in
article
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att
com
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cbnewsl
cb
att
com
paul
mount
writes
in
your
experience
how
true
is
it
that
fuel
injector
cleaning
will
do
much
more
good
than
just
using
detergent
gas
while
fuel
injector
cleaning
at
the
dealer
is
probably
little
more
than
them
opening
your
gas
tank
dumping
in
bottle
of
fuel
injector
cleaner
and
sending
you
on
your
merry
way
poorer
go
to
kmart
and
buy
the
cleaner
yourself
for
this
should
not
be
the
case
if
they
are
at
all
reputable
fuel
injector
cleaning
is
done
properly
with
can
of
injector
cleaner
solvent
which
is
hooked
up
to
the
fuel
system
under
high
pressure
the
car
is
actually
run
on
the
solvent
during
the
cleaning
process
the
equipment
to
properly
do
this
is
pricey
and
generally
not
something
the
average
home
mechanic
has
the
solvent
itself
is
not
very
expensive
and
you
could
probably
make
up
hose
to
fit
your
system
and
do
it
yourself
but
didn
tell
you
that
not
many
in
tank
cleaners
are
worth
wasting
your
money
on
there
has
been
discussion
of
these
products
on
here
from
time
to
time
and
chevron
techron
not
pro
gard
with
techron
is
generally
regarded
as
the
best
it
is
however
bit
more
than
bottle
imho
it
will
not
substitute
for
proper
injector
cleaning
if
they
are
really
crudded
up
you
ll
have
to
decide
if
the
price
is
better
deal
than
spending
your
time
and
or
buying
equipment
to
do
it
scott
keller
the
agricultural
group
of
monsanto
company
sekell
bb1t
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com
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skates
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gov
of
in
pertinent
part
jj
am
considering
buying
used
taurus
sho
the
car
in
jj
question
has
miles
took
it
for
test
drive
the
other
day
jj
and
few
questions
came
up
jj
jj
jj
second
is
there
anything
should
specifically
look
for
in
an
jj
sho
of
this
vintage
anything
should
specifically
ask
abt
jj
brakes
cluthch
etc
noticed
on
the
drive
the
clutch
engagemen
jj
point
seemed
little
high
since
all
my
other
cars
are
auto
tragics
jj
not
sure
abt
this
point
had
my
foot
firmly
planted
on
the
jj
brake
when
started
it
up
there
was
bit
of
pop
in
the
pedal
jj
soon
after
the
engine
started
this
also
occured
on
few
bird
sc
jj
test
drove
was
this
the
abs
self
test
brake
rotors
and
the
clutch
are
the
main
things
there
has
been
clutch
replacement
program
you
might
check
to
see
if
the
car
is
still
eligible
as
it
is
change
well
worth
making
you
can
also
swap
the
cruddy
cable
shifter
for
the
newer
rod
shifter
also
change
worth
making
but
that
ll
cost
you
some
my
brakes
usually
do
one
wibble
wobble
on
startup
so
that
is
probably
normal
didn
know
they
had
self
test
that
interesting
what
kind
of
tires
does
the
car
have
on
it
winqwk
for
good
time
dial
on
your
sho
path
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edu
ub
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vill
edu
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edu
organization
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university
lines
my
ford
has
vent
windows
operated
by
crank
just
like
window
only
it
opened
out
like
normal
vent
window
my
f100
my
dad
bronco
and
pretty
much
every
truck
ve
seen
that
worth
riding
in
has
vent
windows
does
that
mean
that
not
young
feller
anymore
james
james
callison
microcomputer
coordinator
of
oklahoma
law
center
don
understand
the
fascination
with
vent
windows
they
create
tremendous
turbulence
and
noise
that
makes
even
simple
connversation
impossible
at
speeds
above
mph
the
current
flow
throuh
ventilation
if
designed
right
are
far
more
superior
bijan
path
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edu
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ohio
state
edu
ub
dsinc
vu
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ee
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edu
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from
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re
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time
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edu
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uc
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tcora
b329
gator
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army
mil
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telebit
com
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mis
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com
organization
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university
lines
not
exactly
dumb
but
who
remebers
the
tachometer
on
the
or
firebird
bulging
out
of
the
hood
right
in
front
of
the
driver
neat
place
but
love
to
know
what
the
elemnts
did
to
its
internals
after
few
years
also
does
the
speedomete
pointer
on
many
us
cars
have
to
be
feet
long
bijan
path
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edu
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utexas
edu
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hp
com
elroy
jpl
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gov
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server
caltech
edu
hacker
from
hacker
cco
caltech
edu
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re
was
re
safety
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far
can
you
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ds
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com
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ole
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com
distribution
na
organization
california
institute
of
technology
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lines
nntp
posting
host
sandman
caltech
edu
ssave
ole
cdac
com
the
devil
reincarnate
writes
these
lit
up
cars
make
non
illuminated
things
less
visible
like
pedistrians
and
bikes
hopefully
we
re
not
going
to
mandate
drl
for
people
and
bikes
too
well
drl
are
already
mandatory
for
motorcycles
jon
hacker
get
the
os
march
beta
cd
rom
caltech
pasadena
ca
for
hacker
tumbler
ridge
caltech
edu
call
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state
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acs
ohio
state
edu
jnielsen
from
jnielsen
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acs
ohio
state
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nielsen
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autos
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subject
re
top
reasons
why
love
cr
not
for
the
humor
impaired
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ohio
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ohio
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news
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acs
ohio
state
edu
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na
organization
the
ohio
state
university
lines
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host
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acs
ohio
state
edu
in
article
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andyh
chaos
cs
brandeis
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andrew
huang
writes
in
article
apr6
magnus
acs
ohio
state
edu
jnielsen
magnus
acs
ohio
state
edu
john
nielsen
writes
in
article
apr06
metrics
com
tomh
metrics
com
tom
haapanen
writes
chints
iscs
nus
sg
writes
here
are
another
ten
reasons
why
we
should
all
love
cr
or
the
spectacle
of
macho
real
men
who
would
never
bother
to
read
the
magazine
but
are
more
than
apt
to
criticize
it
but
that
the
point
we
do
read
it
or
at
least
we
did
then
we
found
that
their
recommendations
were
useless
and
uninformed
then
we
write
lists
the
cr
flame
war
is
so
easy
to
start
because
they
are
so
wrong
and
claim
to
be
so
right
and
so
thorough
andy
ok
if
you
are
so
right
name
few
good
examples
that
were
brought
up
john
john
nielsen
magnus
consultant
to
you
baldrick
the
renaissance
was
just
something
that
happened
to
other
people
wasn
it
the
black
adder
path
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net
nj
nec
com
news
from
behanna
phoenix
syl
nj
nec
com
chris
behanna
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driving
ca
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car
insurance
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edu
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research
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com
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systems
laboratory
inc
lines
in
article
c4x6yq
l4
news
claremont
edu
ochaine
jarthur
claremont
edu
ollie
north
chaine
writes
help
my
car
insurance
has
been
cancelled
for
the
second
time
in
row
still
haven
gotten
in
touch
with
my
agent
from
aaa
because
she
out
for
the
week
but
my
mom
said
that
got
call
saying
that
my
insurance
was
going
to
be
cancelled
because
of
an
accident
not
even
fender
bender
that
was
never
declared
or
anything
besides
the
fact
that
have
no
idea
how
they
found
out
about
this
the
only
other
thing
that
could
bug
them
is
that
have
ticket
but
told
them
about
it
and
they
said
that
it
wasn
problem
if
go
to
another
insurance
know
will
end
up
paying
more
already
shopped
around
for
this
one
and
can
afford
to
pay
for
the
insurance
especially
since
still
haven
gotten
the
the
two
insuance
companies
are
supposed
to
refund
me
just
got
new
saturn
sl2
and
can
afford
the
car
payments
and
the
insurance
but
bought
the
car
having
gotten
quote
from
state
farm
which
they
later
went
back
on
please
help
me
what
legal
rights
do
have
can
make
state
farm
who
originally
gave
me
the
quote
give
me
that
rate
they
made
mistake
after
signed
all
the
papers
did
not
give
any
false
evidence
how
can
get
my
money
back
for
the
car
if
can
pay
for
the
insurance
deperate
ollie
just
went
through
this
mess
in
new
jersey
still
waiting
for
refund
as
well
namely
that
the
original
company
made
mistake
and
left
me
in
the
lurch
my
recourse
was
through
nj
insurance
dept
office
of
consumer
protection
you
should
have
similar
office
in
your
state
make
use
of
it
good
luck
chris
behanna
dod
fxwg
wide
glide
jubilee
red
lady
behanna
syl
nj
nec
com
cb360t
baby
bike
disclaimer
now
why
would
nec
zx
pending
delivery
agree
with
any
of
this
anyway
was
raised
by
pack
of
wild
corn
dogs
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ll
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ordered
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december
got
it
nine
weeks
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the
dealer
said
that
new
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up
he
didn
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more
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bought
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out
of
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to
get
the
safety
inspection
in
pennsylvania
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problem
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that
the
car
has
aftermarket
tint
on
all
windows
except
the
windshield
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tint
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rather
weak
and
you
can
clearly
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the
inside
of
the
car
through
the
tint
the
inspection
garage
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that
they
won
pass
it
unless
get
waiver
from
the
state
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went
to
the
state
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the
officer
told
me
that
aftermarket
tint
is
illegal
and
can
get
waiver
only
for
pre
car
or
for
medical
reason
asked
him
to
show
me
the
section
of
the
vehicle
code
that
says
it
illegal
he
showed
it
to
me
and
the
paraghaph
said
that
you
can
have
tint
if
you
can
see
the
inside
of
the
car
because
of
the
tint
when
told
him
that
you
can
in
fact
see
the
inside
very
well
he
shut
the
book
and
said
it
just
illegal
and
in
fact
we
can
have
someone
give
you
ticket
for
it
right
now
well
won
argue
with
that
since
the
vehicle
code
says
it
ok
as
long
as
you
can
see
through
the
tint
like
to
keep
it
ll
re
read
the
vehicle
code
in
the
library
also
like
to
get
some
sort
of
paper
from
the
police
that
says
it
ok
so
can
get
the
inspection
and
so
that
won
get
in
trouble
for
the
tint
later
on
also
wouldn
mind
registering
complaint
against
that
officer
he
really
pissed
me
off
so
does
anyone
have
any
experience
getting
that
sort
of
paper
from
the
police
especially
in
pennsylvania
does
anyone
have
any
experience
registering
complaint
against
an
officer
called
the
station
later
on
today
but
they
basically
said
there
is
no
place
where
could
register
complaint
against
an
officer
and
if
do
decide
to
keep
the
tint
and
get
ticket
anyway
how
much
of
chance
do
stand
to
succesfully
appeal
the
ticket
in
court
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about
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about
this
to
argue
about
why
does
the
sl2
have
much
lower
base
price
than
the
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it
over
cheaper
forget
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exact
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it
cost
more
to
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extra
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locks
motors
etc
that
are
in
the
door
perhaps
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is
just
marketing
deal
people
want
the
door
so
they
will
pay
the
extra
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sc1
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has
shorter
wheel
base
than
the
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read
all
of
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followups
to
this
but
thought
go
back
to
the
original
article
to
make
specific
comments
about
the
method
jao
megatest
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john
oswalt
said
he
has
obtained
the
play
by
play
records
in
computer
readable
form
for
every
major
league
baseball
game
for
the
past
several
years
he
devised
an
algorithm
which
call
sum
over
situations
and
wrote
computer
program
to
calculate
every
major
league
players
contribution
using
it
it
works
like
this
look
at
every
situation
in
every
game
in
baseball
season
situation
is
determined
by
inning
score
where
the
baserunners
are
and
how
many
outs
there
are
for
each
situation
count
how
many
times
the
team
eventually
won
the
game
that
the
situation
occured
in
and
divide
by
the
number
of
times
the
situation
came
up
to
come
up
with
value
for
that
situation
this
was
first
done
by
george
lindsey
in
the
late
early
and
reported
in
article
an
investigation
of
strategies
in
baseball
author
george
lindsey
journal
operations
research
issue
volume
july
august
pp
later
pete
palmer
did
the
same
thing
using
simulated
seasons
to
generate
larger
set
of
data
to
avoid
the
kind
of
small
sample
anomalies
that
other
people
have
worried
about
he
reported
this
in
the
hidden
game
of
baseball
with
john
thorn
gary
skoog
modified
the
method
bit
and
did
some
work
on
what
he
called
value
added
measure
based
on
these
situational
values
his
were
based
directly
on
marginal
runs
though
not
on
win
probabilities
these
results
as
applied
to
the
season
were
reported
in
one
of
the
bill
james
baseball
abstract
books
help
me
out
here
somebody
for
example
situation
might
be
inning
score
runner
on
second
and
no
outs
there
were
regular
season
major
league
games
last
year
with
the
rockies
and
marlins
there
will
be
more
this
year
say
this
situation
came
up
in
of
those
and
the
team
ahead
won
of
them
then
the
value
of
this
situation
is
description
of
method
look
at
change
in
win
probability
based
on
the
at
bat
plus
any
baserunning
and
credit
debit
the
player
by
that
amount
each
time
he
gets
plate
appearance
now
for
each
player
sum
up
all
his
at
bat
and
base
running
values
for
the
season
to
obtain
an
overall
value
for
that
player
obviously
the
sum
of
all
players
values
for
each
game
and
for
the
season
as
whole
will
be
that
only
because
you
always
credit
to
the
batter
and
to
the
pitcher
there
no
validation
involved
ok
there
very
big
problem
here
that
nobody
has
yet
commented
on
you
re
adding
probabilities
and
probabilities
don
add
runs
you
can
add
the
total
team
runs
breaks
down
into
how
many
runs
joe
contributed
plus
how
many
runs
fred
contributed
etc
but
probabilities
don
work
that
way
if
bob
increases
his
team
chance
of
winning
by
in
each
of
pas
that
does
not
mean
that
bob
increased
his
team
chance
of
winning
by
in
fact
it
doesn
mean
anything
because
the
units
are
screwy
agree
and
disagree
john
is
saying
that
the
batters
efforts
will
result
in
more
wins
then
losses
while
you
are
probably
correct
that
does
not
mean
more
wins
then
losses
it
means
something
would
rather
have
player
who
increased
my
teams
chances
of
winning
by
in
each
of
pas
then
would
player
who
increased
my
chances
of
winning
by
in
each
of
pas
thus
there
appears
to
me
to
be
an
obvious
positive
association
between
john
statistic
and
winning
games
thus
before
you
disregard
this
stat
it
appears
to
me
that
further
study
must
go
into
what
sort
of
relationship
there
is
consider
an
example
bob
hits
out
solo
hr
in
the
bottom
of
the
first
about
on
your
scale
he
does
the
same
thing
again
in
the
fourth
with
the
score
tied
for
another
and
again
in
the
seventh
with
the
score
tied
for
another
and
finally
in
the
ninth
to
win
the
game
by
score
of
for
value
of
bob
hit
solo
hr
in
plate
appearances
and
was
credited
by
your
method
with
but
what
does
that
mean
was
bob
responsible
for
the
win
certainly
not
the
defense
is
always
responsible
if
you
include
pitching
in
that
and
bob
wasn
pitching
in
fact
bob
was
only
of
the
offense
which
is
lot
but
not
even
close
to
furthermore
what
about
the
other
team
runs
say
they
all
came
on
solo
hr
by
fred
then
fred
was
hitting
hr
to
tie
up
the
game
which
are
just
as
valuable
as
hr
to
take
the
lead
see
lindsey
and
fred
will
himself
have
accrued
good
rating
or
so
so
fred
and
bob
combined
have
amassed
of
win
in
one
game
there
clearly
problem
here
the
only
problem
here
is
an
insistance
that
these
number
mean
exactly
how
many
wins
the
team
has
first
we
are
using
averages
over
many
seasons
and
applying
them
to
one
game
second
remember
some
players
performance
take
away
from
the
chance
of
you
winning
that
is
player
who
gets
an
out
gets
negative
probability
in
most
cases
thus
not
sure
in
any
given
game
when
you
add
up
all
the
numbers
for
team
who
won
that
they
will
add
up
to
in
that
game
sometimes
they
will
add
up
to
more
then
one
sometime
less
than
one
also
the
pitchers
bad
performances
giving
up
runs
may
have
given
them
large
negative
percentage
for
that
game
also
any
batter
that
pulled
an
night
would
give
large
negatives
greg
thinking
about
the
right
things
but
his
intuition
is
off
the
mark
closers
are
enormously
important
the
total
number
of
runs
value
is
outweighed
by
when
they
come
or
are
prevented
from
comming
the
doubling
which
greg
allows
is
not
enough
in
another
article
proposed
test
of
this
we
can
predict
team
won
lost
record
quite
accurately
by
looking
at
how
many
runs
total
they
score
and
allow
without
regard
to
when
those
runs
score
in
the
game
if
late
runs
are
really
more
important
than
early
runs
then
looking
only
at
late
runs
should
lead
to
better
predictor
right
no
but
really
only
because
you
have
smaller
sample
size
would
think
however
that
the
number
of
runs
you
score
in
the
first
inning
would
be
just
as
good
as
prediction
as
how
many
runs
you
score
in
the
last
inning
and
realize
something
else
closer
usually
comes
in
in
close
situation
not
blow
out
it
is
hard
to
argue
that
any
runs
that
closer
gives
up
in
game
have
equal
importance
to
those
given
up
in
the
first
inning
look
closer
giving
up
runs
often
means
team
will
lose
many
games
on
the
other
hand
starter
who
gives
up
runs
often
still
leaves
his
team
chance
to
win
the
offence
has
many
more
outs
to
do
something
about
but
am
not
saying
all
late
inning
situations
are
equally
important
either
if
am
down
runs
in
the
ninth
it
really
does
not
matter
how
many
runs
my
pitcher
gives
up
in
the
ninth
here
another
thought
experiment
apply
this
method
to
basketball
what
you
find
is
that
points
scored
in
the
first
half
of
the
game
have
almost
exactly
no
value
because
no
lead
is
safe
with
an
entire
half
yet
to
play
furthermore
the
sub
in
off
the
bench
who
sinks
the
winning
free
throws
with
no
time
on
the
clock
gets
for
the
game
while
the
star
forward
who
scored
points
in
the
first
half
before
spraining
his
ankle
gets
zero
does
this
make
sense
no
but
why
would
you
assume
that
the
teams
probability
of
winning
would
be
before
the
possesion
in
which
the
free
throws
were
made
look
if
you
are
down
point
with
seconds
left
there
is
fairly
high
probability
that
you
will
win
the
game
if
you
are
in
possesion
of
the
ball
and
do
not
forget
that
somebody
elses
missed
shots
turnovers
fouls
bad
defense
etc
caused
negative
chance
that
the
team
would
win
from
reading
all
of
the
discussion
on
this
statistic
feel
that
those
who
critisize
it
to
certain
extent
are
doing
so
out
of
an
agenda
at
first
look
this
statistic
valadates
clutchness
but
it
really
does
not
cluthness
revolves
around
the
idea
that
certain
players
in
crucial
situation
elevate
their
performance
and
others
performance
goes
down
ve
never
seen
convincing
proof
that
this
really
happens
so
if
you
assume
there
is
no
clutchness
then
that
means
that
except
for
lot
of
noice
this
statistic
has
positive
association
to
player
performance
there
is
way
to
get
rid
of
the
noice
if
you
do
not
believe
in
clutchness
certainly
we
could
find
out
what
the
average
value
of
home
run
is
for
example
we
may
find
for
instance
that
home
run
increases
your
chance
of
winning
by
on
average
while
strikeout
decreases
your
chance
of
winning
by
bet
if
this
were
done
we
would
find
that
this
statistic
was
just
as
good
as
other
statistics
we
have
for
predicting
wins
and
losses
how
do
we
evaluate
relief
pitchers
say
john
and
sam
have
the
exact
same
pitching
statistics
runs
earned
runs
bb
etc
both
had
exceptional
numbers
john
however
only
pitched
in
closer
situations
while
sam
was
mop
up
man
who
was
more
valuble
to
their
team
probably
john
who
was
the
better
pitcher
they
were
probably
about
the
same
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right
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search
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dependable
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or
above
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reliable
yeah
what
your
definition
of
reliable
if
that
reliable
then
its
safe
to
say
that
integra
engines
in
general
are
near
perfect
not
to
mention
hell
of
alot
smoother
and
quieter
balance
shafts
the
acura
has
the
engine
wins
the
reliablity
contest
hands
down
you
can
rev
that
car
all
day
everyday
and
you
ll
never
blow
hose
or
crack
the
block
or
anything
else
speak
from
expierence
not
saying
the
quad
is
bad
engine
but
don
highlight
reliability
when
you
comparing
it
to
acura
engine
and
while
the
integra
costs
alot
more
it
is
couple
of
things
blowing
hose
doesn
speak
of
engine
reliability
and
while
it
is
true
that
quad4
have
problem
with
head
gasket
leaks
that
was
design
flaw
in
the
gasket
and
has
been
corrected
also
know
pontiac
is
replacing
head
gaskets
that
leak
for
free
for
year
miles
other
than
that
have
found
my
quad4
to
be
completely
solid
and
the
direct
ignition
system
means
no
wires
rotor
rotor
cap
to
ever
deal
with
also
hydrolic
lifters
mean
no
valve
adjustments
ever
not
badmouthing
the
integra
engine
just
think
you
are
going
overboard
on
slamming
the
quad4
you
are
quite
correct
that
the
integra
engine
is
quieter
although
would
not
say
smoother
my
quad4
loves
to
rev
especially
at
the
high
end
do
you
have
any
evidence
of
blocks
cracking
on
quad4s
have
not
heard
of
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tony
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writes
ajayshah
almaak
usc
edu
ajay
shah
writes
the
preferred
applications
development
platform
according
to
of
the
fortune
corporations
survey
by
sentry
market
research
survey
unix
mainframe
dos
msw
development
of
what
in
house
apps
maybe
but
certainly
not
apps
to
be
sold
on
an
open
market
statistics
like
that
are
laughable
because
they
may
simply
mean
that
there
are
not
enough
shrink
wrapped
usable
apps
for
unix
and
they
have
to
be
developed
disproportionately
often
as
compared
to
the
installed
unix
base
actually
you
might
be
surprised
to
find
that
not
everyone
who
develops
mainstream
dos
and
windows
apps
develops
them
under
dos
or
windows
pc
week
recently
printed
rumor
that
microsoft
excel
development
group
does
its
development
under
os
another
trade
rag
did
an
article
recently
about
group
doing
windows
development
on
sun
sparcstations
with
softpc
to
test
out
their
work
sco
unix
is
and
has
been
reasonably
popular
development
platform
for
dos
windows
and
even
os
apps
dos
and
windows
are
simply
not
robust
or
stable
enough
for
development
work
imho
and
apparently
others
agree
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parker
writes
like
to
get
some
feedback
on
car
with
most
bang
for
the
buck
in
the
to
price
range
looking
for
car
with
enough
civility
to
be
driven
every
day
or
even
on
long
trips
but
when
hit
the
gas
want
to
feel
some
acceleration
handling
is
important
also
as
are
reliability
and
pretty
low
maintenance
costs
stylish
appearance
is
nice
but
don
want
car
that
is
all
show
and
not
much
go
even
though
many
of
the
imports
are
fast
don
really
want
turbo
and
never
have
cared
for
the
song
sung
by
four
clyinder
prefer
v6
or
v8
for
the
engine
if
you
have
any
suggestions
kevin
parker
there
only
one
car
that
really
fits
your
needs
it
spelled
liter
mustang
not
sorry
he
said
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mount
writes
in
your
experience
how
true
is
it
that
fuel
injector
cleaning
will
do
much
more
good
than
just
using
detergent
gas
while
agree
that
clogged
fuel
injector
would
darken
my
day
how
clogged
do
they
get
and
is
good
price
or
can
do
it
myself
by
buying
can
of
what
and
doing
what
fuel
injector
cleaning
at
the
dealer
is
probably
little
more
than
them
opening
your
gas
tank
dumping
in
bottle
of
fuel
injector
cleaner
and
sending
you
on
your
merry
way
poorer
go
to
kmart
and
buy
the
cleaner
yourself
for
personally
wouldn
use
the
product
from
kmart
knew
about
this
previously
but
this
past
weekend
on
pbs
motorweek
pat
goss
their
resident
tech
type
discussed
these
products
and
recommends
not
using
them
the
non
isopropyl
alcohlo
based
injector
cleaners
supposedly
only
the
isopropyl
based
cleaners
actually
remove
moisture
from
your
fuel
tank
as
they
clean
your
injectors
and
although
the
others
ethyl
based
do
clean
injectors
they
also
cause
rubber
components
in
the
fuel
system
to
deteriorate
and
they
don
mix
well
with
water
to
help
remove
it
from
the
fuel
system
use
product
recommended
by
vw
called
by
bg
products
inc
it
cost
more
about
but
it
is
supposed
to
do
the
job
without
the
potential
harmful
side
effects
and
its
results
are
supposed
to
last
from
to
miles
have
also
used
chevron
techtrolene
sp
can
say
that
have
noticed
any
difference
using
either
since
only
use
these
product
as
preventative
maintenance
item
just
because
you
dealer
sez
you
need
it
don
mean
it
necessarily
so
be
suspicious
jim
grey
jwg
acd4
acd
com
larry
keys
csmes
ncsl
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gov
oo
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the
fact
that
need
to
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donald
wan
writes
my
friend
brought
subaru
svx
recently
had
drove
it
for
couples
times
and
think
its
great
car
esp
on
snow
however
when
she
took
it
to
local
subaru
dealer
for
oil
change
the
bill
came
out
to
be
about
dollars
the
dealer
told
us
it
is
because
to
change
the
oil
filter
on
svx
it
is
necessary
to
disassemble
metal
cover
under
the
engine
and
that
took
an
hour
of
labour
at
first
we
think
we
are
being
ripped
off
so
she
phone
to
dealer
in
toronto
but
found
out
the
they
are
charging
roughly
the
same
price
so
is
there
any
svx
owner
out
there
that
has
the
same
problem
and
if
the
oil
change
story
is
true
then
the
engineer
of
subaru
looks
pretty
stubid
to
me
by
the
way
the
car
looks
great
labour
prices
for
car
service
are
very
expensive
in
toronto
compared
to
other
parts
of
ontario
for
example
there
are
places
in
ottawa
that
still
charge
only
hour
ve
seen
couple
of
places
charging
hour
the
cheapest
ve
heard
in
toronto
is
hour
swd
wan
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zolmer
internet
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opinions
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craig
powderkeg
deforest
writes
if
you
re
planning
on
making
long
drives
the
w50
is
probably
fine
esp
in
the
summer
in
your
w40
car
but
if
you
re
making
short
drives
stick
to
the
w40
several
years
ago
gm
was
having
trouble
with
the
rings
sticking
on
the
diesel
they
traced
cause
to
the
use
of
oil
they
would
not
honor
warranty
work
if
was
used
if
my
memory
serves
me
or
was
ok
though
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lambda
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gov
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user
from
celeste
express
freedom
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subject
re
male
female
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re
dumbest
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wen
king
cs
caltech
edu
wen
king
su
wrote
in
article
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com
sharen
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lockheed
com
sharen
rund
writes
apparently
you
re
not
woman
my
husband
hates
the
auto
door
locks
features
but
forgets
that
besides
families
with
children
woman
feels
safer
in
car
that
locks
easily
in
addition
to
watching
around
checking
out
if
anyone
near
me
when
get
to
my
car
never
park
in
secluded
spot
etc
have
my
keys
ready
to
open
the
door
so
not
fumbling
in
my
purse
looking
for
them
this
has
me
thinking
is
there
biological
reason
why
women
can
put
their
keys
in
their
pants
pockets
like
men
do
have
two
pockets
on
the
back
of
each
of
my
pants
put
my
keys
in
one
and
wallent
in
another
many
of
the
pockets
even
have
botton
on
them
so
can
close
them
securely
everything
is
that
much
simpler
for
me
why
can
women
do
the
same
is
is
biological
ie
not
enough
room
for
bigger
bottom
plus
keys
and
wallet
or
is
it
the
way
they
are
raised
by
the
parents
women
pants
rarely
have
pockets
and
most
when
they
do
are
too
shallow
to
use
is
very
important
for
woman
to
have
her
keys
in
her
hand
when
she
goes
from
building
to
car
it
is
protect
herself
from
would
be
assilants
by
broadcasting
that
this
is
someone
who
as
definite
place
of
safty
ie
locked
car
puting
keys
and
walet
looks
ugly
it
breaks
the
lines
and
makes
you
rear
look
wide
as
cows
also
to
have
the
habits
that
work
for
any
clothing
situation
the
pruse
functions
no
mater
what
you
are
wearing
even
nude
or
bikni
women
suit
coat
is
lucky
to
have
pockets
on
the
outside
none
on
the
inside
have
men
coats
that
have
as
much
as
pockets
this
is
definitally
not
fair
as
one
that
wears
both
men
and
women
clothes
can
tell
you
women
clothes
have
few
if
any
funtional
pockets
when
dressed
as
man
put
my
wallet
on
my
inside
coat
pocket
and
my
keys
in
coat
outside
pocket
it
is
much
more
covenent
than
the
pants
pockets
and
looks
better
having
car
that
unlocks
quickly
and
locks
back
fast
is
paramout
to
woman
safty
men
don
see
this
as
problem
woman
is
aware
of
this
every
time
she
goes
out
image
some
red
necks
yelling
at
you
we
are
going
to
fuck
you
and
the
out
weight
you
by
lbs
and
have
inches
in
hight
on
you
if
you
want
to
find
out
why
women
does
something
live
as
one
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subject
re
saturn
pricing
policy
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hok
chung
tsang
writes
moreover
if
saturn
really
does
reduce
the
dealer
profit
margin
by
then
their
cars
will
be
even
better
deals
say
if
the
price
of
saturn
was
already
below
market
average
for
the
class
of
cars
then
after
they
reduce
the
dealer
profit
it
would
be
below
market
average
it
will
attract
even
more
people
to
buy
saturns
because
it
would
save
them
money
force
the
competitors
to
lower
their
prices
to
survive
but
what
is
saturn
motivation
here
they
re
already
selling
every
car
they
make
with
multiple
shifts
in
the
plant
given
this
what
possible
motivation
could
they
have
to
lower
prices
cheers
richard
richard
welty
welty
cabot
balltown
cma
com
nothing
good
has
ever
been
reported
about
the
full
rotation
of
race
car
about
either
its
pitch
or
roll
axis
carroll
smith
path
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edu
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edu
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edu
robert
wade
writes
ok
how
about
this
to
argue
about
why
does
the
sl2
have
much
lower
base
price
than
the
sc2
it
over
cheaper
forget
the
exact
amount
doesn
it
cost
more
to
have
the
extra
doors
windows
locks
motors
etc
that
are
in
the
door
perhaps
it
is
just
marketing
deal
people
want
the
door
so
they
will
pay
the
extra
ok
here
what
understand
the
sl
sl1
sl2
sw1
sw2
was
meant
to
compete
with
the
following
cars
honda
civic
toyota
tercel
sl
sl1
toyota
corolla
sl1
sl2
nissan
sentra
mazda
protoge
subaru
loyale
impreza
isuzu
stylus
geo
prizm
ford
escort
mercury
tracer
mistubishi
mirage
plymouth
dodge
colt
their
core
competition
is
the
civic
corolla
and
sentra
most
of
the
other
models
are
in
the
same
class
but
aren
the
first
cars
you
would
think
of
threw
in
the
escort
tracer
because
it
has
good
amount
of
japanese
technology
and
has
similar
reliability
stats
didn
include
domestic
small
cars
such
as
the
cavalier
sunbird
shadow
sundance
tempo
and
topaz
since
think
saturn
is
going
after
cars
that
have
at
least
some
degree
of
japanese
roots
the
sc1
sc2
was
meant
to
compete
against
the
following
cars
toyota
paseo
honda
civic
si
civic
coupes
del
sol
si
nissan
nx1600
nx2000
mazda
mx
isuzu
impulse
geo
storm
ford
escort
gt
if
you
look
at
the
prices
of
these
cars
they
re
more
expensive
than
they
re
door
counterparts
the
is
good
reason
for
this
it
is
more
upscale
and
trend
driven
market
even
though
many
of
these
models
are
based
on
sedan
platforms
their
interior
etc
is
good
enough
to
warrant
slightly
higher
prices
here
are
some
of
the
platform
derivations
can
think
of
tercel
paseo
sentra
nx1600
nx2000
civic
del
sol
mx
not
sure
on
this
one
stylus
impulse
storm
to
illustrate
tercel
starts
at
around
while
the
paseo
starts
at
around
even
door
tercel
will
cost
less
than
door
paseo
now
you
might
be
saying
that
the
tercel
doesn
offer
the
power
that
some
doors
offer
what
mean
is
that
there
is
no
dr
tercel
with
comparable
powerplant
as
its
sport
coupe
derivative
let
take
another
example
the
isuzu
stylus
xs
and
impulse
xs
storm
gsi
both
have
the
same
powerplants
hp
engine
but
the
smaller
dr
coupes
are
generally
more
expensive
again
this
is
because
the
two
door
sport
coupe
market
is
more
fashion
oriented
and
trend
setting
segment
people
are
willing
to
pay
more
money
for
this
type
of
car
in
short
even
though
the
sc1
sc2
may
be
smaller
hence
less
car
it
market
orientation
dictates
slightly
higher
price
than
its
mechanically
equivalent
sedan
sl1
sl2
version
hope
this
clears
things
up
bit
mihir
shah
path
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daniel
holbrook
says
guessing
but
believe
in
the
twenties
we
probably
drove
mostly
down
cattle
trails
and
in
wagon
ruts
am
fairly
sure
that
placement
of
the
steering
wheel
was
pretty
much
arbitrary
to
the
company
at
that
time
by
the
there
was
very
active
good
roads
movement
which
had
its
origins
actually
in
the
during
the
bicycle
craze
picked
up
steam
in
the
teens
witness
the
linclon
highway
association
or
so
and
the
us
highway
support
act
real
name
something
different
in
that
first
pledged
federal
aid
to
states
and
counties
to
build
decent
roads
also
the
experience
of
widespread
use
of
trucks
for
domestic
transport
during
ww
convinced
the
government
that
good
raods
were
crucial
to
our
national
defense
anyway
by
the
there
were
plenty
of
good
roads
at
least
around
urban
areas
and
they
were
rapidly
expanding
into
the
countryside
this
was
the
era
after
all
of
the
first
auto
touring
fad
the
motel
the
auto
camp
ground
etc
two
good
books
on
the
subject
spring
to
mind
warren
belasco
america
on
the
road
title
may
not
be
exact
author
is
and
another
called
the
devil
wagon
in
god
country
author
forget
also
any
of
john
flink
or
john
bell
rae
auto
histories
sorry
as
have
never
heard
of
any
of
this
guess
they
don
think
it
important
enough
for
classroom
and
was
going
on
what
ve
seen
in
pics
some
movies
real
nice
scource
there
huh
just
always
recall
thinking
that
good
roads
of
asphalt
didn
come
around
til
the
interstate
hiway
act
or
whatever
they
called
it
and
that
wood
and
cobblestone
roads
were
fairly
rare
up
through
the
depression
except
in
overpopulated
places
like
england
and
us
cities
obviously
netwisdom
says
am
wrong
as
to
placement
of
the
steering
wheel
being
arbitrary
by
the
early
teens
there
were
virtually
no
american
cars
that
did
not
have
the
wheel
on
the
left
in
the
early
days
cars
had
the
wheel
on
the
left
on
the
right
and
even
in
the
middle
as
well
as
sometimes
having
tiller
instead
of
wheel
this
was
standardized
fairly
early
on
though
don
know
why
knew
it
was
almost
always
done
but
knew
of
no
reason
that
it
might
not
be
done
the
other
way
by
desoto
for
their
car
seems
like
they
had
some
other
deviations
from
the
norm
too
at
times
dan
dh3q
andrew
cmu
edu
carnegie
mellon
university
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or
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for
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at
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edu
jeffrey
hoffmeister
writes
in
article
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progress
com
damelio
progress
com
stephen
amelio
writes
rjwade
rainbow
ecn
purdue
edu
robert
wade
writes
there
only
one
car
that
really
fits
your
needs
it
spelled
liter
mustang
sports
car
butm
my
mothers
gt
was
considered
sports
car
still
can
quite
figure
that
out
since
when
do
plastic
add
ons
make
car
sports
car
jeff
we
re
talking
about
insurance
agents
from
bumf
illinois
st
farm
is
hq
ed
in
bloomington
what
the
hell
do
they
know
about
cars
both
are
sports
cars
chintan
amin
the
university
of
illinois
urbana
champaign
mail
llama
uiuc
edu
because
he
was
human
because
he
had
goodness
because
he
was
moral
they
called
him
insane
peart
cinderella
man
xref
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edu
larry
ludes
ludwig
writes
stuff
deleted
about
microsoft
bferrell
ant
occ
uc
edu
brett
ferrell
writes
if
you
think
that
windows
is
useable
you
must
not
use
it
much
windows
version
of
crash
protection
is
wearing
helmet
while
computing
the
arir
air
bag
is
an
expensive
add
on
brett
you
must
of
read
too
many
os
advertisements
crash
protection
is
such
marketing
gimick
it
isn
funny
out
of
months
of
using
windows
on
my
new
machine
ve
only
had
it
crash
once
and
don
have
run
of
the
mill
configuration
microsoft
is
not
leader
in
innovation
but
they
certainly
know
how
to
build
better
mousetrap
now
what
wrong
with
that
larry
ludes
ludwig
it
always
taken
me
twice
to
get
clemson
university
compsci
undergrad
it
right
you
never
heard
of
the
ludes
hubcap
clemson
edu
apple
ludes
clemson
clemson
edu
steve
jobs
it
does
sound
funny
will
admit
but
for
me
it
is
true
windows
crashed
on
all
of
the
time
and
from
what
have
read
in
pc
mag
this
is
not
the
exception
os
gives
each
windows
app
vdm
and
they
can
touch
each
other
or
generally
anything
they
aren
supposed
to
have
if
windows
works
for
you
then
great
maybe
this
is
why
some
people
don
see
why
os
is
the
os
of
choice
if
windows
doesn
crash
on
you
and
you
don
mind
waiting
on
each
task
and
not
being
able
to
adress
your
memory
better
than
dos
some
of
the
key
reasons
for
using
os
are
gone
probably
would
still
use
it
but
it
would
be
more
of
an
even
fight
brett
brett
sherron
ferrell
email
bferrell
uceng
uc
edu
of
cincy
catch
the
cats
college
of
engineering
if
you
can
friends
don
let
friends
do
windows
wittism
of
th
week
think
that
it
wrong
to
believe
in
an
ism
you
should
believe
in
yourself
ferrish
bueller
path
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edu
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news
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edu
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access
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ca
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ualberta
ca
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from
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it
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edu
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edu
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inc
lines
davidd
lonestar
utsa
edu
david
de
leon
writes
in
article
bu
edu
selick
csa
bu
edu
steven
selick
writes
ve
got
an
plymouth
colt
that
like
to
do
front
end
alignment
on
is
it
possible
to
do
without
all
of
the
fancy
schmancy
gadgets
the
pros
have
how
steve
no
no
no
no
if
you
do
so
you
are
putting
the
lives
of
others
on
the
road
at
consider
able
risk
why
do
you
think
mechanics
are
ase
certified
anyway
you
put
it
you
need
those
fancy
scmancy
gadgets
awww
right
you
want
all
the
home
mechanics
lined
up
against
wall
and
shot
eh
bull
pucky
you
chicken
read
the
service
manual
and
get
your
head
out
of
the
sand
certainly
there
are
tools
for
the
job
that
are
cheaper
than
an
alignment
rack
that
do
the
job
as
competently
albeit
not
as
swiftly
if
not
more
accurate
due
to
the
natural
pride
an
owner
mechanic
places
on
his
work
you
can
do
an
acceptable
job
of
aligning
car
using
simple
tools
and
some
imaginative
work
that
would
never
have
the
effect
of
endangering
anyones
life
the
worst
that
happens
is
that
your
tires
wear
oddly
well
you
could
have
the
wheels
aiming
totally
pigeon
toed
and
not
be
able
to
steer
the
car
raise
your
hands
those
that
think
their
vision
is
so
poor
that
they
would
screw
up
this
badly
bet
you
are
one
of
those
people
that
feels
that
honing
cylinder
wall
with
sand
paper
will
kill
millions
of
people
it
aint
magic
go
take
the
certification
course
and
look
at
the
people
that
have
never
learned
to
add
in
their
whole
life
that
are
taking
the
certification
btw
am
disgusted
at
the
colt
and
some
of
the
other
chrysler
offerings
because
they
go
out
of
alignment
if
you
sneaze
at
them
my
chrysler
laser
similar
to
the
daytona
reskinned
colt
needed
realignment
every
months
bolt
good
grade
x4
to
each
wheel
using
carefully
welded
spacer
jig
measure
toe
in
adjust
to
manufacturer
specs
camber
bit
more
difficult
to
adjust
and
measure
used
micrometer
to
measure
the
space
between
the
rim
and
funky
bent
up
pipe
that
could
be
placed
on
upper
and
lower
portions
of
the
rim
on
the
inside
of
wheel
hard
to
explain
this
same
tool
could
be
used
instead
of
the
x4s
had
made
these
tools
up
right
after
the
last
alignment
done
professionally
so
had
reference
that
the
original
poster
might
not
ciao
mark
path
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com
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edu
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windsor
ontario
canada
lines
seningen
maserati
ross
com
mike
seningen
mph
speedos
esp
the
electronic
ones
the
digital
dash
of
the
cougars
with
the
large
analog
clock
in
the
middle
of
the
dash
everything
was
digital
except
the
stinking
clock
the
funny
thing
about
the
digital
dash
bird
with
the
mph
speedo
limit
was
that
if
you
pressed
the
button
to
convert
to
kilometers
it
would
read
all
the
way
up
to
kph
at
this
point
the
stock
anemic
would
get
short
of
breath
this
of
course
was
equivalent
to
about
mph
hehe
bet
really
coulda
confused
this
thing
if
toyed
with
the
engine
and
rolled
the
stupid
thing
the
digits
were
limited
to
ve
gotta
agree
with
ya
on
the
analog
clock
digital
dash
though
my
girlfriend
had
turbocoupe
with
digital
clock
and
analog
gauges
radio
go
figure
usenet
constellation
ecn
uoknor
edu
usenet
administrator
love
the
keyless
entry
on
my
bird
it
great
for
those
times
that
had
to
stop
to
put
air
in
my
tires
could
get
out
and
lock
the
door
with
the
engine
running
while
ran
around
to
air
up
the
tire
it
also
had
great
feature
on
my
bird
could
pull
the
key
out
and
leave
the
ignition
on
this
scared
the
hell
out
of
me
the
first
time
it
happened
but
kinda
grew
to
like
it
musta
been
bad
key
copy
or
something
mark
novakovic
there
is
no
god
up
in
the
sky
tonight
no
sign
of
heaven
anywhere
in
sight
nin
jesus
loves
ya
blow
me
in
tribute
to
my
former
area
supervisor
jim
bonneau
and
the
infamous
bonneau
math
demoted
not
departed
ministry
xref
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ms
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ms
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group
carnegie
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cmu
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edu
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uceng
uc
edu
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clemson
edu
nntp
posting
host
andrew
cmu
edu
in
reply
to
may1
hubcap
clemson
edu
ludes
hubcap
clemson
edu
larry
ludes
ludwig
writes
stuff
deleted
about
microsoft
bferrell
ant
occ
uc
edu
brett
ferrell
writes
if
you
think
that
windows
is
useable
you
must
not
use
it
much
windows
version
of
crash
protection
is
wearing
helmet
while
computing
the
arir
air
bag
is
an
expensive
add
on
brett
you
must
of
read
too
many
os
advertisements
crash
protection
is
such
marketing
gimick
it
isn
funny
out
of
months
of
using
windows
on
my
new
machine
ve
only
had
it
crash
once
and
don
have
run
of
the
mill
configuration
wow
what
did
you
use
it
for
single
tasked
word
processing
have
files
loaded
right
now
and
mb
virtual
machine
mb
of
ram
my
friend
down
the
street
gripes
that
he
can
even
format
floppy
in
the
background
many
unix
people
love
os
because
they
are
used
to
multi
tasking
systems
microsoft
is
not
leader
in
innovation
but
they
certainly
know
how
to
build
better
mousetrap
now
what
wrong
with
that
too
bad
they
hold
gun
to
the
mouse
piper
while
they
throw
mice
at
their
new
trap
trying
to
get
it
to
work
kenton
cmu
edu
os
fixes
broken
windows
xref
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srv
cs
cmu
edu
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ms
windows
misc
comp
windows
ms
path
cantaloupe
srv
cs
cmu
edu
rochester
udel
bogus
sura
net
darwin
sura
net
zaphod
mps
ohio
state
edu
saimiri
primate
wisc
edu
ames
olivea
sgigate
sgi
fido
odin
sgihub
sgitokyo
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ascwide
sh
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ac
jp
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from
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is
tokyo
ac
jp
ito
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os
ms
windows
misc
comp
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ms
subject
re
what
does
the
bmp
format
mean
message
id
may1
cc
tokyo
ac
jp
date
may
gmt
references
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
sender
news
cc
tokyo
ac
jp
usenet
news
system
organization
department
of
infomation
science
faculty
of
science
university
of
tokyo
japan
lines
in
reply
to
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
message
of
tue
apr
gmt
nntp
posting
host
tje12
is
tokyo
ac
jp
in
article
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
robertsa
unix2
tcd
ie
andrew
roberts
writes
what
exactly
does
the
windows
bitmap
format
look
like
mean
how
is
the
data
stored
width
height
no
of
colours
bitmap
data
couldn
find
anything
in
ths
user
manual
is
there
any
other
reference
material
which
would
give
me
this
information
from
thomas
sunshine
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com
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kinsman
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alt
binaries
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utilities
subject
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bmp
creation
guide
as
requested
keywords
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bmp
bitmaps
file
formats
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com
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electronics
rochester
ny
lines
xref
cradle
titech
comp
os
ms
windows
programmer
misc
guide
to
creation
of
dib
images
thomas
kinsman
precambrian
electronics
falstaff
rd
rochester
ny
thomask
kodak
com
copyright
march
abstract
the
format
of
images
created
for
use
by
ms
windows
applications
is
documented
in
the
ms
windows
programmer
reference
guide
this
guide
is
intended
as
clearify
some
wording
of
the
specifications
and
to
put
forth
recommendation
among
the
various
alternatives
please
send
updates
corrections
suggestions
and
revisions
to
me
please
thank
me
for
writing
this
on
my
own
time
by
keeping
my
name
with
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document
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you
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respect
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is
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information
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get
more
than
what
you
pay
for
don
sue
me
if
wrong
overview
the
dib
image
file
format
is
intended
to
be
device
independent
bitmap
file
format
what
microsoft
means
by
device
independent
is
unclear
to
me
four
pixel
resolutions
are
supported
bit
bit
bit
and
bit
pixels
these
images
were
intended
for
use
on
dos
ibm
or
little
endian
systems
if
you
are
creating
them
on
another
architecture
you
will
have
to
byte
swap
all
short
and
long
integer
values
by
convention
dib
images
end
in
the
extension
bmp
this
is
because
march
they
are
super
set
of
earlier
bitmap
image
files
consequently
you
will
sometimes
hear
dib
files
referred
to
as
bmp
files
since
dib
images
files
are
super
set
there
are
three
flavors
of
dib
images
dos
dib
images
these
are
the
recommended
convention
and
the
form
which
will
describe
how
to
create
they
are
intended
for
applications
running
under
ms
windows
in
dos
environment
os
dib
images
my
understanding
is
that
these
are
the
flavor
of
dib
images
that
were
used
by
the
presentation
manager
old
style
bitmap
images
march
differences
between
flavors
the
dos
dib
images
consist
of
bitmapfileheader
file
header
which
identifies
the
file
as
dib
file
this
header
also
gives
the
total
size
of
the
image
file
and
the
offset
to
the
image
data
bitmapinfoheader
image
header
which
specifies
the
image
attributes
an
optional
palette
of
colors
used
by
the
image
if
it
exists
this
may
contain
or
entries
each
entry
is
windows
rgbquad
structure
the
image
data
itself
the
os
dib
images
consist
of
the
same
bitmapfileheader
file
header
which
identifies
the
file
as
dib
file
this
header
also
gives
the
total
size
of
the
image
file
and
the
offset
to
the
image
data
bitmapcoreheader
image
header
which
specifies
the
image
attributes
an
optional
palette
of
colors
used
by
the
image
again
if
this
exists
it
may
contain
or
entries
each
entry
is
windows
rgbtriple
structure
the
image
data
itself
the
old
style
image
bitmap
consists
of
either
bitmapinfoheader
or
bitmapcoreheader
which
header
type
is
determined
by
the
first
long
integer
dword
value
an
optional
color
palette
this
palette
may
be
composed
of
either
windows
rgbquad
structures
if
the
header
was
bitmapinfoheader
or
windows
rgbtriple
structures
if
the
header
was
bitmapcoreheader
the
image
data
itself
creating
dib
image
files
creating
dos
dib
image
file
consists
of
several
straight
forward
steps
the
headers
need
to
be
created
and
then
written
to
the
file
these
header
structures
are
defined
in
the
ms
windows
windows
include
file
palette
information
needs
to
be
stored
for
images
that
are
not
bit
images
the
five
general
steps
are
filling
in
the
bitmapfileheader
and
the
bitmapinfoheader
structures
the
basic
image
information
if
the
image
is
bit
bit
or
an
bit
image
creating
the
color
palette
of
rgbquads
calculating
the
total
file
size
and
putting
this
information
in
march
the
bfsize
field
of
the
bitmapfileheader
calculating
the
offset
to
the
image
data
from
the
start
of
the
file
and
putting
this
in
the
bfoffbits
field
of
the
bitmapfileheader
writing
to
the
file
the
bitmapfileheader
the
bitmapinfoheader
the
color
palette
and
the
image
data
in
that
order
the
following
sections
describe
structures
in
terms
of
microsoft
type
defined
keywords
the
following
table
describes
these
keywords
for
those
not
familiar
with
microsoft
type
defined
keywords
in
microsoft
typedef
meaning
byte
unsigned
character
word
two
byte
unsigned
integer
dword
four
byte
unsigned
integer
march
the
bitmapfileheader
this
structure
is
defined
in
windows
as
typedef
struct
tagbitmapfileheader
word
bftype
dword
bfsize
word
bfreserved1
word
bfreserved2
dword
bfoffbits
bitmapfileheader
the
bftype
field
is
the
two
ascii
characters
and
this
serves
to
identify
the
file
as
dib
image
file
on
an
intel
byte
ordered
machine
ibm
or
compatible
this
constant
can
be
formed
in
as
the
quantity
x4d42
on
an
intel
system
the
bfsize
field
is
the
total
size
of
the
file
for
our
purposes
this
field
is
equal
to
the
size
of
the
bitmapfileheader
plus
the
size
of
the
bitmapinfoheader
plus
the
number
of
entries
in
the
color
palette
times
the
size
of
rgbquad
plus
the
number
of
bytes
of
image
data
if
the
image
data
is
being
written
out
in
an
uncompressed
form
this
value
can
be
calculated
ahead
of
time
otherwise
this
field
needs
to
be
filled
in
later
both
the
bfreserved1
and
the
bfreserved2
fields
are
always
set
to
zero
the
bfoffbits
field
is
set
to
the
offset
to
the
start
of
the
image
data
from
the
start
of
the
file
for
our
purposes
this
field
should
be
set
to
the
size
of
the
bitmapfileheader
plus
the
size
of
the
bitmapinfoheader
plus
the
number
of
entries
in
the
color
palette
times
the
size
of
rgbquad
this
works
out
because
the
image
data
is
written
write
after
the
color
palette
if
one
exists
march
the
bitmapinfoheader
this
structure
is
defined
in
windows
as
typedef
struct
tagbitmapinfoheader
dword
bisize
dword
biwidth
dword
biheight
word
biplanes
word
bibitcount
dword
bicompression
dword
bisizeimage
dword
bixpelspermeter
dword
biypelspermeter
dword
biclrused
dword
biclrimportant
bitmapinfoheader
the
bisize
field
is
set
to
the
size
of
the
bitmapinfoheader
structure
itself
when
reading
the
image
file
this
value
is
what
is
used
to
determine
that
the
image
contains
bitmapinfoheader
and
not
bitmapcoreheader
the
biwidth
field
is
the
width
of
the
image
in
image
pixels
the
biheight
field
is
the
height
of
the
image
in
image
lines
the
biplanes
field
should
always
be
set
to
this
data
is
written
out
as
if
there
was
one
color
plane
the
bibitcount
field
is
the
bit
depth
of
the
image
this
must
be
either
or
depending
on
the
bit
depth
of
the
image
data
the
bicompression
field
tells
how
the
image
data
is
compressed
if
it
is
compressed
dib
images
support
two
forms
of
run
length
encoding
however
have
never
seen
any
images
which
use
it
and
don
know
yet
how
it
works
set
this
field
to
zero
long
zero
or
to
indicate
that
the
data
is
not
compressed
all
subsequent
fields
of
the
bitmapinfoheader
structure
may
be
set
to
zero
requirement
of
the
interpretting
software
that
it
be
able
to
compute
these
fields
as
necessary
from
the
previous
information
the
field
which
you
might
want
to
explicitly
specify
might
be
biclrused
for
bit
and
bit
images
this
field
indicates
that
not
all
of
the
possible
color
entries
are
used
and
that
the
image
contains
biclrused
colors
if
you
are
using
only
colors
with
an
bit
image
then
you
may
only
want
to
save
of
the
possible
palette
entries
generally
set
this
field
to
zero
march
color
palettes
each
entry
of
color
palette
is
rgbquad
structure
the
rgbquad
structure
is
defined
in
the
windows
include
file
as
typedef
struct
tagrgbquad
byte
rgbblue
byte
rgbgreen
byte
rgbred
byte
rgbreserved
rgbquad
the
rgbreserved
field
is
always
zero
for
each
color
used
the
amount
of
blue
green
and
red
are
filled
into
the
structure
and
the
structure
is
written
to
the
file
value
of
zero
in
the
rgbblue
rgbgreen
or
rgbred
fields
indicates
that
that
particular
component
does
not
contribute
to
the
color
composition
value
of
in
any
of
these
fields
indicates
that
the
component
contributes
fully
to
the
color
composition
image
data
there
are
three
surprises
about
the
ordering
of
image
data
in
dib
image
file
the
creator
of
this
format
was
determined
to
be
creative
and
certainly
was
within
the
image
data
each
line
written
out
is
padded
to
the
next
four
byte
quantity
so
if
you
had
an
bit
image
which
was
only
one
pixel
wide
you
still
have
to
write
out
four
bytes
for
every
image
line
the
number
of
bytes
per
line
can
be
calculated
as
bytes
per
line
width
in
pix
bit
depth
or
in
terms
of
the
fields
of
the
bitmapinfoheader
structure
bytes
per
line
biwidth
bibitcount
when
writing
out
your
image
data
you
must
write
it
out
bottom
line
first
the
bottom
line
of
the
image
as
you
would
look
at
it
on
the
screen
is
the
first
line
of
image
data
in
the
file
for
bit
bit
and
bit
images
information
is
written
as
you
would
expect
one
bit
images
are
padded
eight
pixels
to
byte
four
bit
images
are
padded
two
pixels
to
byte
eight
bit
images
are
written
one
pixel
per
byte
twenty
four
bit
images
are
written
three
bytes
per
pixel
however
for
bit
images
the
information
must
be
written
out
in
the
order
blue
green
red
while
most
image
file
formats
write
data
out
in
march
an
rgb
ordering
dib
image
file
writes
the
data
out
in
an
bgr
ordering
summary
this
should
provide
enough
information
to
create
dib
images
from
applications
such
as
scanners
or
for
image
exporting
routines
if
you
find
out
any
more
about
dib
images
please
pass
the
information
on
to
me
so
that
can
modify
this
document
accordingly
march
thomas
kinsman
rochester
ny
thomas
acadia
kodak
com
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and
senseless
acts
of
beauty
anon
ito
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is
tokyo
ac
jp
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department
of
infomation
science
faculty
of
science
university
of
tokyo
japan
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confusing
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am
using
telemate
within
win
everytime
close
dos
box
my
telemate
operation
get
affected
normally
am
doing
file
transfer
however
if
open
close
windows
program
everything
seems
running
smoothly
my
file
transfer
operation
get
affected
only
if
close
dos
box
can
somebody
please
gimme
some
pointers
on
what
is
going
on
and
how
to
fix
it
thanks
in
advance
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windows
font
help
summary
how
can
change
the
default
font
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host
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edu
lines
friend
of
mine
uses
windows
to
do
most
of
her
work
unfortunately
she
has
very
bad
eyesight
and
we
haven
been
able
to
figure
out
how
to
change
the
default
font
used
by
the
system
and
application
menus
or
the
font
used
by
the
help
program
what
use
is
hypertext
if
you
can
read
it
to
make
it
legible
to
her
if
anyone
knows
how
to
increase
the
size
of
these
fonts
of
any
software
package
that
makes
windows
more
accessible
to
visually
handicapped
people
please
let
me
know
thanks
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references
c41soe
m62
ns1
nodak
edu
organization
microtec
research
santa
clara
california
usa
keywords
lexan
plastic
summary
scratches
in
plastic
lines
in
article
c41soe
m62
ns1
nodak
edu
wilken
plains
nodak
edu
scott
wilken
writes
couple
of
years
ago
replaced
the
stock
windscreen
on
my
interceptor
with
higher
one
from
national
cycle
the
thing
happens
to
be
made
of
lexan
can
anyone
recommend
polish
to
use
on
it
that
is
safe
for
lexan
its
starting
to
show
few
scratches
and
id
like
to
polish
them
out
go
fast
internet
wilken
plains
nodak
edu
ama
take
chances
uucp
uunet
plains
wilken
dod
vf700f
interceptor
bitnet
wilken
plains
suggest
mcquires
plastic
polish
it
will
help
somewhat
but
nothing
will
remove
deep
scratches
without
making
it
worse
than
it
already
is
mcquires
will
do
something
for
fine
or
light
stuff
also
suggest
calling
your
local
plastic
shop
in
calif
tap
plastic
is
chain
that
carries
most
of
what
is
needed
for
repair
and
sometimes
replacement
of
plastic
bits
telephone
in
the
bay
area
is
not
sure
how
amenable
they
are
to
shipping
have
found
that
they
have
several
excellent
products
for
cleaning
and
removing
crap
from
windscreens
and
face
shields
also
they
have
one
called
lift
it
which
works
real
well
in
removing
sticky
stuffs
such
as
adhessives
from
plastic
wihtout
scratching
same
luck
jonathan
jefferies
jeff
mri
com
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bill
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udel
gatech
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sura
net
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umd
edu
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umd
edu
rsrodger
from
rsrodger
wam
umd
edu
yamanari
subject
re
challenge
to
microsoft
supporters
message
id
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umd
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usenet
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umd
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system
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posting
host
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umd
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organization
university
of
maryland
college
park
references
c6bgzv
mk
uceng
uc
edu
may1
hubcap
clemson
edu
c6d616
uceng
uc
edu
date
sat
may
gmt
lines
in
article
c6d616
uceng
uc
edu
bferrell
ant
occ
uc
edu
brett
ferrell
writes
in
article
may1
hubcap
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edu
ludes
hubcap
clemson
edu
larry
ludes
ludwig
writes
munch
you
must
of
read
too
many
os
advertisements
crash
protection
is
such
marketing
gimick
it
isn
funny
out
of
months
of
using
windows
on
my
new
machine
ve
only
had
it
crash
once
and
don
have
run
of
the
mill
configuration
munch
following
is
reformatted
it
does
sound
funny
will
admit
but
for
me
it
is
true
windows
crashed
on
all
of
the
time
and
from
what
have
read
in
pc
mag
this
is
not
the
exception
say
that
the
massive
crash
problems
are
exceedingly
rare
windows
itself
almost
never
crashes
but
it
can
be
crashed
by
an
errant
application
my
personal
favorite
any
one
of
the
corel
programs
on
the
other
hand
have
had
os
crash
randomly
number
of
times
mostly
just
running
it
own
applications
for
instance
today
discovered
new
one
while
was
downloading
with
procomm
plus
for
windows
running
seamless
with
the
standard
vga
drivers
on
run
da
mill
vga
card
x480
decided
that
wanted
to
edit
copy
of
quote
that
wanted
to
add
to
my
finger
but
since
ve
learned
not
to
really
trust
seamless
fired
up
full
screen
winos
session
whoops
the
download
finished
while
winos
was
loading
it
had
just
gotten
the
pointer
up
so
hit
alt
escape
to
get
back
the
desktop
have
lot
of
fonts
so
loading
takes
good
long
while
blam
screen
trashed
procomm
hangs
up
hm
well
can
sorta
see
the
mouse
so
clicked
on
the
minimized
winos
session
and
got
back
my
fullscreen
windows
session
but
the
color
were
off
red
and
green
and
yellow
and
brown
instead
of
blues
and
greys
so
closed
this
and
got
back
to
the
desktop
now
fully
restored
pp
was
still
sitting
window
open
but
it
was
no
longer
connected
to
the
com
port
so
exited
it
the
normal
way
it
told
me
was
still
online
and
it
would
hang
up
though
it
was
already
hung
up
hm
well
load
anothe
no
bad
idea
shutdown
and
reboot
ok
refresh
first
now
shutdown
yes
everything
is
closed
hm
nothing
seems
to
be
happening
let
see
ah
the
windows
list
still
comes
up
ok
let
try
shutdown
again
no
go
huh
alright
wait
seconds
to
see
if
it
just
running
slow
hmm
still
seems
to
be
running
os
try
shutdown
again
nothing
oh
well
reboot
enjoy
the
checkdisk
time
in
this
case
part
of
the
os
crashed
not
only
itself
but
os
entirely
which
isn
even
smart
enough
to
tell
when
it
been
compromised
guess
in
everyday
specifically
today
use
os
gives
each
windows
app
vdm
and
they
can
touch
each
other
or
generally
anything
they
aren
supposed
to
have
that
the
idea
anyway
in
truth
when
program
crashes
on
os
it
will
bring
the
system
down
with
it
the
programs
that
would
just
gpf
under
windows
do
the
same
under
os
but
programs
that
are
fine
under
dos
and
windows
bring
os
screaming
to
halt
task
protection
or
no
for
instance
still
wondering
why
print
preview
in
windowed
wp
dos
locks
up
my
system
it
works
fine
under
dos
or
even
in
dos
box
under
windows
admittedly
it
doesn
crash
if
run
wp51
full
screen
but
the
first
time
this
bug
big
me
it
bit
hard
if
windows
works
for
you
then
great
maybe
this
is
why
some
people
don
see
why
os
is
the
os
of
choice
if
windows
doesn
crash
on
you
and
you
don
mind
waiting
on
each
task
please
explain
the
only
time
wait
on
anything
under
windows
is
when
copying
or
formatting
floppy
or
when
printing
and
even
then
not
long
get
to
pages
dumped
to
the
printman
per
minute
and
can
still
go
do
things
slowly
while
it
doing
this
ve
downloaded
with
pp
while
printing
and
not
being
able
to
adress
your
memory
better
than
dos
not
sure
what
you
mean
here
os
sees
megs
uses
or
six
of
these
for
it
own
use
more
if
you
want
to
count
winos
windows
sees
megs
uses
or
more
like
if
you
count
the
disk
cache
as
am
for
os
for
itself
if
memory
efficiency
were
big
issue
pc
geos
would
be
the
current
king
of
the
intel
desktop
some
of
the
key
reasons
for
using
os
are
gone
probably
would
still
use
it
but
it
would
be
more
of
an
even
fight
on
the
other
hand
am
finally
able
to
say
with
some
confidence
that
both
os
and
windows
have
bit
of
hardware
sensitivity
to
them
for
instance
the
machine
am
sitting
at
runs
both
fine
while
the
machine
next
to
me
constantly
locks
up
under
windows
but
ran
os
without
hitch
once
got
it
through
crash
install
on
the
whole
say
os
is
whole
lot
more
sensitive
than
windows
but
there
are
suppose
machines
that
windows
just
doesn
like
wittism
of
th
week
think
that
it
wrong
to
believe
in
an
ism
you
should
believe
in
yourself
ferrish
bueller
wasn
this
ferris
bueller
there
are
stupid
laws
and
then
there
are
stupider
than
normal
laws
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of
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available
on
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next
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the
may
th
issue
of
pc
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called
nextstep
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now
next
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release
of
version
of
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which
will
run
on
based
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is
identical
to
the
version
in
fact
nextstep
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ability
to
easily
compile
program
into
single
binary
which
will
run
on
both
intel
and
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hardware
nextstep
for
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processors
will
be
demonstrated
on
an
epson
progression
computer
nextstep
is
scheduled
for
release
on
may
at
nextworld
expo
in
san
francisco
the
demonstration
will
be
open
to
the
public
come
one
come
all
if
you
are
interested
in
seeing
the
most
advanced
pc
operating
system
around
come
on
by
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brief
summary
of
what
nextstep
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see
the
may
th
issue
of
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magazine
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for
more
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contact
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the
experience
of
programming
windows
vs
the
experience
of
programming
nextstep
is
like
going
to
the
dentist
and
having
root
canal
without
anaesthetic
vs
going
to
the
dentist
and
having
your
gums
cleaned
some
nitrous
oxide
thrown
in
for
the
entertainment
side
of
things
bbum
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the
experience
of
programming
windows
vs
the
experience
of
programming
nextstep
is
like
going
to
the
dentist
and
having
root
canal
without
anaesthetic
vs
going
to
the
dentist
and
having
your
gums
cleaned
some
nitrous
oxide
thrown
in
for
the
entertainment
side
of
things
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but
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that
need
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know
the
format
of
the
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word
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can
get
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is
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support
services
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sorry
don
have
it
handy
and
ask
for
the
word
for
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file
format
spec
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it
is
not
terribly
useful
and
you
will
need
to
do
lot
of
looking
before
you
can
figure
out
how
the
stuff
is
stored
general
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word
for
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its
data
in
two
chunks
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first
chunk
is
the
actual
text
in
the
file
this
is
all
stored
together
and
has
nothing
but
text
and
graphics
the
second
chunk
is
the
formatting
information
for
general
use
to
read
word
for
windows
file
skip
the
first
bytes
of
the
file
its
general
header
then
read
the
remaining
text
until
you
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larry
ludes
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writes
and
not
being
able
to
adress
your
memory
better
than
dos
not
sure
what
you
mean
here
os
sees
megs
uses
or
six
of
these
for
it
own
use
more
if
you
want
to
count
winos
windows
sees
megs
uses
or
more
like
if
you
count
the
disk
cache
as
am
for
os
for
itself
if
memory
efficiency
were
big
issue
pc
geos
would
be
the
current
king
of
the
intel
desktop
assumed
he
was
referring
to
os
bit
flat
model
addressing
while
dos
and
therefore
windows
use
bit
segmented
addressing
as
programmer
agree
that
segmentation
unnecessarily
complicates
things
it
annoying
too
but
when
just
windows
user
don
think
about
it
much
and
doubt
many
other
people
think
about
it
or
even
care
when
just
writing
document
calcing
spreadsheet
etc
it
works
and
they
get
their
work
done
just
neutral
comment
it
funny
think
how
arguments
about
windows
vs
os
sound
so
very
similar
to
arguments
about
atheism
vs
christianity
or
something
like
that
it
somehow
very
personal
to
people
convictions
are
irrational
and
there
nothing
wrong
with
that
it
just
interesting
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host
sandman
caltech
edu
rsrodger
wam
umd
edu
yamanari
writes
say
that
the
massive
crash
problems
are
exceedingly
rare
windows
itself
almost
never
crashes
but
it
can
be
crashed
by
an
errant
application
my
personal
favorite
any
one
of
the
corel
programs
on
the
other
hand
have
had
os
crash
randomly
number
of
times
mostly
just
running
it
own
applications
do
know
that
ibm
systems
the
ps
slc2
in
particular
have
absolutely
no
problem
with
os
never
had
random
crash
while
running
any
of
my
programs
under
os
in
fact
don
remember
ever
crashing
of
course
really
don
run
any
os
programs
just
the
same
bunch
of
dos
and
windows
stuff
that
ve
always
been
running
and
when
had
the
slc
this
is
the
slc
system
running
dos
windows
had
only
one
crash
and
it
was
consistent
ftp
had
tendency
to
crash
whenever
would
get
large
files
mb
from
particularly
fast
clients
dtr
sec
figured
out
the
problem
was
with
smartdrv
write
buffering
if
turned
off
the
write
buffer
everything
would
work
fine
ftp
under
os
has
never
locked
though
can
even
format
floppies
to
use
the
most
often
cited
example
of
the
superiority
of
os
for
instance
still
wondering
why
print
preview
in
windowed
wp
dos
locks
up
my
system
yeah
guess
willing
to
admit
that
os
is
somewhat
sensitive
to
specific
hardware
wp51
for
dos
works
perfectly
fine
on
my
slc2
please
explain
the
only
time
wait
on
anything
under
windows
is
when
copying
or
formatting
floppy
or
when
printing
and
even
then
not
long
get
to
pages
dumped
to
the
printman
per
minute
and
can
still
go
do
things
slowly
while
it
doing
this
ve
downloaded
with
pp
while
printing
well
save
all
my
personal
files
to
floppy
and
when
did
that
under
windows
floppy
save
of
large
file
hung
up
the
system
also
found
it
quite
bothersome
to
have
to
continually
tweak
the
tasking
options
on
fractint
for
dos
whenever
wanted
to
do
fractal
computation
in
the
background
and
not
being
able
to
address
your
memory
better
than
dos
not
sure
what
you
mean
here
the
idea
is
that
os
dos
sessions
can
see
more
memory
than
windows
dos
sessions
let
xpl
shareware
calculus
program
see
around
kb
of
free
conventional
memory
which
lets
me
do
bigger
symbolic
manipulations
than
is
possible
under
straight
dos
where
it
would
see
around
kb
of
conventional
ram
also
found
it
really
handy
for
my
own
dos
based
programs
which
without
any
re
writing
could
now
handle
larger
data
sets
simulate
for
more
iterations
etc
of
course
the
point
is
now
moot
since
the
os
programs
now
write
simply
never
run
into
memory
limitations
never
programmed
for
windows
so
don
have
much
of
comparison
here
though
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some
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is
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edu
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messina
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com
tony
porczyk
writes
ajayshah
almaak
usc
edu
ajay
shah
writes
the
preferred
applications
development
platform
unix
dos
msw
development
of
what
in
house
apps
maybe
but
certainly
not
apps
to
be
sold
on
an
open
market
statistics
like
that
are
laughable
actually
you
might
be
surprised
to
find
that
not
everyone
who
develops
mainstream
dos
and
windows
apps
develops
them
under
dos
or
windows
pc
week
recently
printed
rumor
that
microsoft
excel
development
group
does
its
development
under
os
if
you
believe
that
have
nice
piece
for
swamp
for
you
for
re
development
microsoft
does
even
its
techpubs
under
windows
another
trade
rag
did
an
article
recently
about
group
doing
windows
development
on
sun
sparcstations
with
softpc
to
test
out
their
work
that
wasn
geo
works
was
it
dos
and
windows
are
simply
not
robust
or
stable
enough
for
development
work
imho
and
apparently
others
agree
nonsense
sorry
make
fun
of
windows
all
the
time
but
the
above
is
simply
myth
tell
that
to
microsoft
novell
and
others
who
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the
market
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finale
and
petrucci
font
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keywords
coda
finale
music
font
atm
petrucci
eps
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robertson
date
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may
gmt
lines
ve
been
using
final
from
coda
for
some
time
but
suddenly
it
stopped
using
my
fonts
have
pc
with
lots
of
disk
space
and
memory
postscript
laser
win3
finale
and
recently
installed
atm
ve
been
fiddling
around
with
the
windows
setup
for
some
time
and
when
needed
to
do
some
work
with
finale
things
didn
print
properly
it
might
and
it
might
not
have
anything
to
do
with
the
installation
of
atm
from
something
to
but
don
have
the
old
atm
lying
around
anomore
the
most
annoying
problem
was
that
the
petrucci
font
didn
print
which
is
rather
important
font
managed
to
get
direct
printing
to
work
if
included
ownps
in
the
finale
section
of
win
ini
but
compile
postscript
listing
still
doesn
work
and
it
those
eps
files
need
when
look
at
the
eps
files
generated
the
only
font
which
appears
there
is
courier
found
out
that
if
manually
changed
the
courier
point
to
petrucci
point
in
the
eps
file
everything
worked
ok
but
rather
avoid
that
since
have
lot
of
songs
to
work
with
and
yes
in
the
special
font
font
names
dialog
box
all
the
fonts
need
are
listed
with
the
correct
mapping
between
finale
screen
and
printer
fonts
finale
is
obviously
aware
of
the
fonts
since
direct
printing
of
score
works
well
that
is
after
included
ownps
and
all
my
other
windows
applications
print
petrucci
and
the
other
fonts
well
has
anyone
encountered
problems
like
this
what
is
the
current
version
of
finale
from
coda
music
software
have
are
the
people
at
coda
available
on
internet
or
be
grateful
for
all
hints
and
help
mats
internet
mats
gar
no
quikcomm
mats
gar
genor
serverp
mats
garp
mats
tande
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how
can
make
mpeg
sound
message
id
may2
debbie
cc
nctu
edu
tw
sender
usenet
debbie
cc
nctu
edu
tw
organization
national
chiao
tung
university
newsreader
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version
pl6
date
sun
may
gmt
lines
hello
install
one
wav
driver
pc
speaker
then
install
mpeg
phoenix
oulu
fi
pub
incoming
mpeg2
mpegexe
zip
in
windows
but
when
load
one
mpeg
file
and
make
sound
type
to
wav
or
mpeg
it
always
say
error
when
load
one
mpeg
file
which
have
wav
file
wav
then
select
sound
type
to
wav
it
is
normal
and
no
error
but
still
can
hear
sound
what
should
do
fix
the
sounddrv
number
in
mfw
ini
thankx
for
any
help
internet
address
u7911093
cc
nctu
edu
tw
english
name
erik
wang
chinese
name
wang
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shyang
national
chiao
tung
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taiwan
path
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edu
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newsflash
concordia
ca
sifon
clouso
crim
ca
iro
umontreal
ca
matrox
altitude
tgm
eric
from
eric
tgm
cam
org
eric
trepanier
newsgroups
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ms
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misc
subject
why
not
using
dos
anymore
distribution
world
message
id
snx
tgm
cam
org
references
apr30
hubcap
clemson
edu
date
fri
apr
gmt
organization
bell
sygma
revenue
systems
development
reply
to
eric
tgm
cam
org
lines
in
article
apr30
hubcap
clemson
edu
charlea
eng
clemson
edu
writes
regarding
the
horror
stories
about
dos6
doubledisk
and
stacker
killing
hard
drives
was
wondering
if
the
dos
mirror
command
works
on
the
doubled
drive
info
as
well
as
the
normal
fat
table
and
partition
table
if
it
records
the
vital
doubledisk
info
then
using
it
daily
should
go
long
way
toward
protecting
yourself
against
the
type
of
catastrophic
failure
discussed
if
it
doesn
then
shame
on
microsoft
mirror
is
one
of
those
dos
commands
that
didn
survive
the
change
from
dos
it
been
dropped
along
with
backup
join
edlin
and
couple
other
crummy
old
dos
commands
you
can
still
use
the
commands
if
you
absolutely
have
to
but
they
are
not
included
on
the
distribution
disks
however
in
mirror
case
certain
that
it
does
not
know
anything
about
doublespaced
drives
eric
eric
trepanier
internet
eric
tgm
cam
org
ci
grenon
laval
quebec
h7n
m3
everybody
has
right
to
believe
in
something
canada
believe
ll
have
another
beer
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edu
cs
utexas
edu
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concordia
ca
sifon
homer
cs
mcgill
ca
gel
from
gel
cs
mcgill
ca
gilles
khouzam
subject
windows
nt
how
to
get
the
beta
message
id
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lrg
cs
mcgill
ca
sender
gilles
khouzam
gel
binkley
cs
mcgilll
ca
organization
socs
mcgill
university
montreal
canada
date
sun
may
gmt
lines
was
just
wondering
if
anyone
new
how
could
get
the
beta
version
of
windows
nt
and
be
part
of
the
beta
program
thanks
gel
binkley
cs
mcgill
ca
please
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by
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cellar
revpk
from
revpk
cellar
org
brian
rev
siano
subject
novell
and
windows
organization
the
cellar
bbs
and
public
access
system
date
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gmt
message
id
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cellar
org
sender
bbs
cellar
org
the
cellar
bbs
lines
working
at
workstation
which
is
usually
attached
to
novell
network
using
shell
version
think
the
workstation
was
set
up
to
run
windows
with
the
network
about
year
ago
needless
to
say
like
to
upgrade
it
to
windows
and
have
it
work
with
the
network
basically
the
windows
files
be
on
the
local
hard
drive
but
several
dos
applications
like
word
perfect
will
be
on
the
network
mainly
want
windows
to
access
the
network
drives
the
network
printers
and
perhaps
handle
some
network
functions
as
well
if
could
multitask
the
dos
apps
whose
executables
are
on
the
network
that
be
great
but
could
live
without
it
eventually
like
to
get
few
other
in
the
office
working
with
the
network
and
windows
as
well
however
most
of
the
terminals
are
which
leaves
the
network
pretty
much
dos
bound
and
guess
that
leaves
out
windows
for
workgroups
and
in
the
future
maybe
there
be
norton
desktop
but
that
gettingahead
of
myself
as
you
can
guess
ve
never
done
anything
like
this
before
ve
read
through
the
networks
material
that
came
with
windows
but
still
like
to
know
if
anyone
out
there
has
any
experience
in
such
an
area
please
reply
by
email
don
scan
these
newsgroups
often
thanks
for
any
replies
brian
rev
siano
revpk
cellar
org
well
ll
know
right
away
by
the
look
in
her
eyes
she
lost
all
illusions
and
she
worldly
wise
and
know
if
give
her
listen
she
what
ve
been
missing
what
ve
been
missing
ll
be
lost
in
love
and
havin
some
fun
with
my
cynical
girl
who
got
no
use
for
the
real
world
looking
for
cynical
girl
marshall
crenshaw
cynical
girl
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re
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date
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debrown
hubcap
clemson
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david
brown
writes
doug
ward
writes
recently
purchased
diamond
stealth
video
card
and
received
the
wrong
drivers
does
anyone
know
where
can
ftp
the
proper
drivers
the
dstlth
file
at
cica
does
not
work
with
this
video
card
please
respond
to
doug
sun
sws
uiuc
edu
thank
you
doug
ward
if
you
want
to
get
them
and
get
them
now
also
the
most
up
to
date
use
the
bbs
at
they
may
take
an
hour
to
download
so
do
it
when
rates
are
low
yeah
know
it
costs
but
locking
up
your
system
gets
old
quick
maybe
someone
has
them
on
the
net
ve
got
the
stealth
drivers
david
the
number
you
gave
is
the
borland
bbs
and
darned
if
can
find
any
stealth
drivers
there
diamond
bbs
is
according
to
the
manual
got
with
my
stealth
have
had
bunch
of
trouble
using
the
right
drivers
that
came
with
the
card
locking
up
de
syncing
etc
so
hope
you
do
better
than
do
dave
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hi
am
trying
to
compile
chart
for
windows
and
dos
performance
of
local
bus
video
card
so
if
you
have
dx2
and
one
of
the
local
bus
video
cards
below
please
email
me
your
winbench
and
dbench
obtainable
in
ftp
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pub
msdos
uploads
scores
please
give
me
winmark
score
at
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and
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will
post
the
chart
if
enough
response
if
received
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pause
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keystrokes
in
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sess
keywords
postgrad
researcher
need
to
replay
pause
continue
recording
of
wor
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sorry
about
confusing
subject
summary
keywords
am
postgrad
researcher
in
esl
applied
linguistics
at
edith
cowan
university
in
perth
western
australia
desperately
need
help
need
to
record
the
results
of
word
processing
sessions
in
windows
so
that
can
sit
down
and
replay
the
results
of
my
research
subjects
wordprocessing
behaviours
naturally
can
do
this
with
the
windows
macrorecorder
and
or
other
apps
in
windows
but
cannot
pause
resume
all
can
do
is
to
ctrl
break
to
get
out
this
is
useless
for
researcher
who
needs
to
be
able
to
pause
the
wordprocessing
session
he
is
replaying
to
make
notes
annotations
and
then
resume
from
where
he
left
off
am
just
about
to
commence
my
research
for
my
masters
thesis
and
would
be
extremely
grateful
for
any
assistance
if
anyone
can
help
could
they
mail
me
at
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ver
and
need
to
show
postcript
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am
getting
from
another
aplication
so
because
can
show
postscript
directly
form
visual
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at
least
don
know
how
need
utility
to
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any
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hey
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how
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you
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comp
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and
never
crash
damn
computer
what
does
your
cs
dept
teach
you
or
are
you
just
that
good
of
programmer
that
not
one
of
your
assembly
programs
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gimick
it
isn
funny
out
of
months
of
using
windows
on
my
new
machine
ve
only
had
it
crash
once
and
don
have
run
of
the
mill
configuration
why
do
you
bother
putting
up
such
stupid
posts
or
are
you
that
ignorant
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campbell
clarkson
university
potsdam
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com
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from
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annese
subject
re
need
iconized
printer
utility
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id
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com
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host
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communications
company
voice
data
references
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date
sun
may
gmt
lines
in
article
zhao
auvm
american
edu
zhao
auvm
american
edu
writes
am
looking
for
printer
utility
which
stay
in
window
as
an
icon
and
let
you
drag
file
to
it
to
issue
the
printing
you
have
one
minimize
the
print
manager
and
drag
file
to
it
and
it
will
print
it
you
need
to
associate
file
extensions
with
such
things
as
the
notepad
for
it
to
do
this
though
tony
annese
claebaur
shell
portal
com
or
claebaur
cup
portal
com
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re
challenge
to
microsoft
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to
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clarkson
university
yamanari
hey
isn
it
funny
how
betas
have
bugs
in
them
hey
do
me
favor
and
don
put
up
stupid
posts
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potsdam
ny
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craft
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hansen
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for
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com
les
tom
writes
maw
ying
yuan
wrote
from
yuan
wiliki
eng
hawaii
edu
maw
ying
yuan
subject
replacement
for
program
manager
and
file
manager
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id
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date
thu
apr
gmt
replacements
for
win3
program
manager
and
file
manager
yuan
wiliki
eng
hawaii
edu
hi
ve
been
using
plannet
crafter
plug
in
for
program
manager
the
best
one
ve
seen
is
ceo
by
sloop
software
they
have
sharware
version
but
the
retail
version
is
only
it
incredibly
complete
subfolders
to
any
level
choose
any
icon
hot
keys
drop
down
menus
button
bars
etc
haven
found
anything
it
doesn
do
try
mailing
compuserve
com
for
details
tom
tom
hansen
my
beard
grows
to
my
toes
never
wears
no
tom
vpnet
chi
il
us
clothes
wraps
my
hair
around
my
bare
and
yam
what
yam
down
the
road
goes
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silverstein
path
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sol
ctr
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edu
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math
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edu
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ms
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misc
subject
re
why
is
my
mouse
so
jumpy
ms
mouse
message
id
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bitnet
from
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bitnet
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edt
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ca
apr28
tolten
puc
cl
organization
city
university
of
new
york
lines
everyone
seems
to
think
that
this
man
mouse
problem
is
mechanical
its
dirty
have
been
having
similar
problem
with
my
mouse
and
it
only
occurs
when
ru
nning
windows
and
therefore
cannot
be
mechanical
in
nature
running
mouse
systems
compatible
mouse
on
dx2
with
trident
meg
video
card
and
experienceing
similar
jumpiness
as
well
as
strange
font
subsitutions
and
mous
traces
left
on
screen
and
windows
gpf
errors
help
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ms
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tedm
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net
ted
matsumura
subject
re
need
iconized
printer
utility
message
id
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net
organization
tsoft
bbs
and
public
access
unix
references
zhao
auvm
american
edu
c6eval
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portal
com
date
sun
may
gmt
lines
in
article
c6eval
unix
portal
com
claebaur
shell
portal
com
tony
annese
writes
in
article
zhao
auvm
american
edu
zhao
auvm
american
edu
writes
am
looking
for
printer
utility
which
stay
in
window
as
an
icon
and
let
you
drag
file
to
it
to
issue
the
printing
you
have
one
minimize
the
print
manager
and
drag
file
to
it
and
it
will
print
it
you
need
to
associate
file
extensions
with
such
things
as
the
notepad
for
it
to
do
this
though
tony
annese
claebaur
shell
portal
com
or
claebaur
cup
portal
com
this
may
work
but
won
it
involve
invoking
the
applications
if
you
drag
bmp
or
txt
file
to
the
min
print
manager
icon
won
it
run
notepad
and
paintbrush
before
printing
if
you
just
want
to
drag
file
txt
or
bmp
to
print
server
icon
with
stay
at
front
attributes
you
need
an
intelligent
print
manager
drag
and
drop
client
like
amish
print
ted
path
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cs
cmu
edu
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news
harvard
edu
noc
near
net
howland
reston
ans
net
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mps
ohio
state
edu
pacific
mps
ohio
state
edu
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ms
windows
misc
subject
off
line
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for
netnews
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id
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from
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acs
muohio
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date
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organization
miami
university
academic
computer
service
lines
are
there
any
off
line
mail
readers
for
the
net
news
in
qwk
format
it
would
be
really
helpfull
to
be
able
to
download
the
net
news
from
vax
or
mainframe
and
read
it
off
line
adam
hodge
arhodge
miavx1
acs
muohio
edu
newsgroups
comp
os
ms
windows
misc
path
cantaloupe
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cs
cmu
edu
rochester
udel
wupost
sdd
hp
com
portal
claebaur
from
claebaur
shell
portal
com
tony
annese
subject
re
need
iconized
printer
utility
message
id
c6fde5
rd
unix
portal
com
sender
news
unix
portal
com
nntp
posting
host
jobe
organization
portal
communications
company
voice
data
references
zhao
auvm
american
edu
c6eval
unix
portal
com
c6ezhn
jlq
tsoft
net
date
mon
may
gmt
lines
in
article
c6ezhn
jlq
tsoft
net
tedm
tsoft
net
ted
matsumura
writes
in
article
c6eval
unix
portal
com
claebaur
shell
portal
com
tony
annese
writes
you
have
one
minimize
the
print
manager
and
drag
file
to
it
and
it
will
print
it
you
need
to
associate
file
extensions
with
such
things
as
the
notepad
for
it
to
do
this
though
this
may
work
but
won
it
involve
invoking
the
applications
if
you
drag
bmp
or
txt
file
to
the
min
print
manager
icon
won
it
run
notepad
and
paintbrush
before
printing
if
you
just
want
to
drag
file
txt
or
bmp
to
print
server
icon
with
stay
at
front
attributes
you
need
an
intelligent
print
manager
drag
and
drop
client
like
amish
print
yes
it
invokes
the
associated
application
that
takes
but
seconds
tony
annese
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shell
portal
com
or
claebaur
cup
portal
com
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ms
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uunet
world
cfw
from
cfw
world
std
com
christopher
wroten
subject
problem
on
dos
box
from
windows
this
file
is
compressed
message
id
c6fi8w
l5
world
std
com
organization
the
world
public
access
unix
brookline
ma
date
mon
may
gmt
lines
ve
started
getting
message
from
windows
whenever
try
to
execute
dos
program
from
windows
either
thru
the
program
manager
or
the
file
manager
message
box
comes
up
and
says
this
program
or
one
of
its
components
is
compressed
use
the
ms
dos
expand
command
to
expand
the
file
now
know
this
is
bogus
because
can
always
execute
the
program
from
dos
when
not
running
windows
the
program
in
question
is
command
com
yup
the
basic
dos
command
line
shell
and
the
expand
command
tells
me
that
the
file
is
already
expanded
all
my
windows
apps
work
just
fine
only
get
this
message
when
trying
to
execute
dos
program
from
windows
clues
anyone
thanks
christopher
wroten
cfw
world
std
com
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ms
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world
ewl
from
ewl
world
std
com
erich
lantz
subject
wordbasic
time
date
variables
message
id
c6fl61
fls
world
std
com
summary
question
about
time
date
vars
under
wordbasic
keywords
winword
variable
mail
wordbasic
macro
organization
the
world
public
access
unix
brookline
ma
date
mon
may
gmt
lines
writing
mail
management
system
using
word
for
windows
as
front
end
the
user
dials
up
remote
system
and
downloads
batch
of
mail
as
foo
txt
ve
set
up
an
autoexec
macro
in
winword
to
load
foo
txt
ok
but
subsequent
invocations
of
the
macro
will
of
course
pose
file
name
contention
problems
what
really
like
to
do
is
to
create
an
autoexit
macro
in
winword
that
would
move
foo
txt
to
specified
directory
rename
it
using
the
current
date
and
time
and
delete
the
original
foo
txt
in
other
words
foo
txt
gets
renamed
as
say
on
may
at
the
user
gets
time
indexed
backup
of
his
mail
files
and
foo
txt
is
freed
up
for
the
next
packet
of
mail
since
my
autoexec
macro
points
to
it
my
main
question
is
this
how
may
one
rename
file
from
within
wordbasic
macro
to
include
time
date
variable
in
the
new
filename
thanks
if
you
ever
reach
total
enlightenment
while
drinking
beer
bet
it
makes
beer
shoot
out
of
your
nose
jack
handey
erich
lantz
ewl
world
std
com
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va
dod
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edu
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edu
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from
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windows
fonts
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reserve
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oh
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id
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usenet
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edu
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to
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nntp
posting
host
hela
ins
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in
previous
article
ellard2
husc8
harvard
edu
daniel
ellard
says
friend
of
mine
uses
windows
to
do
most
of
her
work
unfortunately
she
has
very
bad
eyesight
and
we
haven
been
able
to
figure
out
how
to
change
the
default
font
used
by
the
system
and
application
menus
or
the
font
used
by
the
help
program
what
use
is
hypertext
if
you
can
read
it
to
make
it
legible
to
her
if
anyone
knows
how
to
increase
the
size
of
these
fonts
of
any
software
package
that
makes
windows
more
accessible
to
visually
handicapped
people
please
let
me
know
thanks
dan
the
may
issue
of
pc
computing
page
has
windows
hint
and
tips
for
just
this
thing
you
have
to
edit
the
win
ini
file
and
add
couple
of
lines
tried
it
and
it
works
actually
made
my
title
bar
and
iconized
text
and
icon
text
smaller
on
my
monitor
it
works
well
you
can
select
larger
font
also
you
edit
the
win
ini
file
with
font
name
in
your
system
directory
read
the
article
because
would
not
want
to
retype
it
here
in
case
type
errored
and
caused
your
system
problems
ya
artin
this
communication
is
sent
by
artin
university
of
arizona
tucson
ak333
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freenet
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ccit
arizona
edu
mlinsenb
arizvms
death
has
been
dead
for
about
years
follow
the
king
of
kings
path
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from
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to
buy
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ksu
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ksu
ksu
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well
ve
come
into
some
money
and
want
to
buy
cd
rom
sound
board
and
speakers
have
not
kept
up
on
any
material
relating
to
sound
boards
and
cd
rom
because
until
now
never
thought
have
enough
money
so
can
you
guru
out
there
point
me
in
the
direction
of
good
package
including
cd
rom
sound
and
speakers
and
software
suppose
or
since
don
really
need
the
cd
rom
right
now
give
me
some
good
ideas
for
sound
boards
and
speakers
those
could
really
use
now
have
looked
at
soundblaster
pro
which
costs
about
as
much
as
think
want
to
spend
on
board
and
ve
looked
at
the
gravis
sound
board
which
is
about
and
don
know
the
adv
disadv
of
either
of
these
boards
right
now
want
to
use
it
with
any
games
that
support
sound
and
to
use
in
windows
to
utilize
sound
capabilities
there
so
any
concise
info
on
sound
boards
complete
multimedia
packages
etc
would
be
greatly
appreciated
if
anyone
else
is
interested
in
this
info
would
be
glad
to
summarize
responses
and
post
and
if
this
is
some
type
of
faq
please
point
me
in
the
right
direction
and
don
bother
taking
up
lot
of
bandwidth
thanks
brett
brett
watson
database
system
administrator
kansas
supreme
court
topeka
ks
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misc
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edu
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ans
net
gatech
enterpoop
mit
edu
thunder
mcrcim
mcgill
edu
gel
from
gel
cs
mcgill
ca
gilles
khouzam
subject
re
windows
and
ati
ultra
mach8
chip
sizing
question
message
id
may3
thunder
mcrcim
mcgill
edu
sender
gilles
khouzam
gel
binkley
cs
mcgill
ca
nntp
posting
host
binkley
cs
mcgill
ca
organization
socs
mcgill
university
montreal
canada
references
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ca
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ca
writes
have
just
upgraded
from
trident
tvga9000
to
an
ati
graphics
ultra
the
old
mach8
chip
am
quite
pleased
with
the
performance
so
far
but
have
one
problem
when
using
windows
in
x600
have
noticed
that
the
tile
bars
and
scroll
bars
are
significantly
larger
than
they
were
when
was
using
the
trident
card
is
there
setting
in
my
ini
files
that
can
change
to
make
these
smaller
could
not
find
the
faq
for
this
list
mike
mdtancsa
watarts
uwaterloo
ca
make
sure
you
use
the
small
fonts
driver
not
the
large
fonts
driver
check
that
in
your
setup
that
the
only
explanation
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nt
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paladin
from
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std
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thomas
schlatter
subject
re
why
is
my
mouse
so
jumpy
ms
mouse
message
id
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world
public
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writes
everyone
seems
to
think
that
this
man
mouse
problem
is
mechanical
its
dirty
have
been
having
similar
problem
with
my
mouse
and
it
only
occurs
when
ru
nning
windows
and
therefore
cannot
be
mechanical
in
nature
its
my
understanding
that
bus
mice
are
more
accurate
and
stable
in
general
than
serial
mice
if
remember
correctly
its
because
of
the
differences
in
how
the
interrupts
are
handled
as
well
as
the
fact
that
the
mouse
data
is
received
over
the
computer
bus
as
opposed
to
bps
serial
connection
running
mouse
systems
compatible
mouse
on
dx2
with
trident
meg
video
card
and
experienceing
similar
jumpiness
as
well
as
strange
font
subsitutions
and
mous
traces
left
on
screen
and
windows
gpf
errors
help
is
this
just
general
problem
or
is
it
associated
with
specific
application
or
group
of
applications
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de
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wrote
on
about
emm386
and
windows
von
ebosco
us
oracle
com
mi
name
eric
bosco
should
use
emm386
or
should
remove
it
from
my
config
sys
basically
windows
prefers
extendend
memory
instead
of
expanded
more
work
to
do
for
win
and
if
no
application
desperatly
needs
ems
you
should
leave
emm386
with
rem
in
your
config
sys
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am
working
with
visual
basic
v2
for
windows
specifically
am
working
on
an
application
that
generates
formatted
reports
since
some
of
these
reports
can
be
rather
large
my
first
question
is
is
there
way
to
increase
the
size
of
list
box
or
text
box
in
visual
basic
windows
beyond
the
limit
as
have
not
as
yet
being
optimistic
come
across
way
to
get
around
the
above
problem
am
working
on
the
following
approach
am
trying
to
create
my
own
defined
template
in
ms
word
using
the
wordbasic
macros
so
that
can
open
up
word
from
visual
basic
vb
and
load
this
template
of
mine
which
will
work
in
the
following
way
it
will
first
open
myown
ini
file
created
in
vb
at
the
time
when
the
user
selected
the
kind
of
report
he
weanted
and
read
the
section
from
the
ini
file
and
jump
to
the
appropriate
code
in
template
which
will
then
open
and
read
file
pertaining
to
the
section
it
read
from
the
ini
file
when
using
the
getprofilestring
function
in
wordbasic
is
there
way
to
specify
change
the
default
ini
file
which
is
win
ini
to
myown
ini
file
when
using
the
file
input
function
in
wordbasic
is
there
way
to
read
more
than
the
at
one
time
any
help
will
be
appreciated
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delgreco
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for
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program
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for
some
recommendations
for
screen
capture
programs
couple
of
issues
ago
pc
mag
listed
as
editor
choices
both
conversion
artist
and
hijaak
for
windows
anyone
have
any
experience
with
those
or
some
others
trying
to
get
an
alpha
manual
in
the
next
few
days
and
not
making
much
progress
with
the
screen
shots
currently
using
dodot
and
about
to
burn
it
and
the
disks
it
rode
it
on
it
got
lot
of
freaky
bugs
and
oversights
that
are
driving
me
crazy
tonight
it
decided
that
for
any
graphic
it
writes
out
as
tiff
file
that
under
certain
arbitrary
size
it
will
swap
the
left
and
right
sides
of
the
picture
usually
it
confines
itself
to
not
copying
things
to
the
clipboard
so
have
to
save
and
load
pix
for
editing
in
paintbrush
or
crashing
every
hour
or
so
the
one
nice
thing
it
has
though
is
it
dither
option
you
think
that
this
would
turn
colors
into
dots
which
it
does
if
you
go
from
say
colors
to
colors
but
if
you
go
from
or
colors
to
you
can
set
threshold
level
for
which
colors
turn
to
black
and
which
turn
to
white
for
me
this
is
useful
because
can
turn
light
grays
on
buttons
to
white
and
the
dark
grays
to
black
and
thereby
preserve
the
effect
on
buttons
and
other
parts
of
the
window
if
you
understood
my
description
can
you
tell
me
if
another
less
buggy
program
can
do
this
as
well
much
thanks
for
any
help
signature
david
delgreco
what
lies
behind
us
and
what
lies
technically
writer
before
us
are
tiny
matters
compared
delgreco
rahul
net
to
what
lies
within
us
oliver
wendell
holmes
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lines
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com
tom
haapanen
writes
has
anyone
used
hercules
graphite
adapter
it
looks
good
on
paper
and
steve
gibson
gave
it
very
good
review
in
infoworld
love
to
get
real
world
impression
though
how
is
the
speed
drivers
support
rda771v
monu6
cc
monash
edu
au
wuysang
writes
but
the
impressive
performance
of
the
graphite
was
not
its
winmark
it
was
its
wintach
result
esp
the
paint
performance
judging
from
the
wintach
tests
can
hardly
imagine
that
there
is
cheat
driver
for
it
received
my
graphite
vl
on
thursday
and
ve
had
little
bit
of
experience
with
it
now
in
general
it
feels
fast
although
this
is
the
first
vlb
card
that
have
tried
still
the
results
are
impressive
with
my
dx2
mb
running
at
x768
ve
had
the
following
wintach
results
card
wp
cad
spread
paint
overall
ati
graphics
ultra
ati
ultra
no
aperture
hercules
graphite
vl
unfortunately
don
have
the
numbers
here
but
the
ati
ultra
pro
vlb
had
an
overall
wintach
score
of
about
the
ultra
pro
was
nearly
as
fast
in
text
handling
but
was
blown
away
in
the
cad
and
paint
tests
as
an
additional
test
we
hand
timed
complex
coreldraw
slide
resize
redraw
times
there
was
no
swapping
but
expect
there
is
fairly
heavy
load
on
the
cpu
the
graphite
redraw
times
averaged
about
seconds
with
ati
ultra
pro
at
this
jives
with
steve
gibson
contention
that
the
isa
graphite
is
faster
than
an
ati
up
on
his
complex
micrografx
draw
document
so
far
very
impressed
the
drivers
look
solid
and
the
card
flies
the
installation
and
utilities
are
different
but
comparable
to
ati
and
didn
have
to
wait
for
build
for
some
reliability
with
hercules
software
developer
special
you
can
get
an
evaluation
copy
of
the
card
for
just
or
for
the
isa
version
call
if
you
want
to
give
it
try
happy
customer
now
tom
haapanen
tomh
metrics
com
software
metrics
inc
waterloo
ont
stick
your
index
fingers
into
both
corners
of
your
mouth
now
pull
up
that
how
the
corrado
makes
you
feel
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for
mail
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joke
rockies
have
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summary
opcy
is
just
too
small
hell
the
orioles
opening
day
game
could
easily
be
the
largest
in
history
if
we
had
stadium
with
seats
but
unfortunely
the
yards
definitely
excellent
ballpark
only
holds
like
with
sro
spots
ticket
sales
for
the
entire
year
is
moving
fast
bleacher
seats
are
almost
gone
for
every
game
this
year
it
extremely
likelyhood
that
the
could
sell
out
every
game
this
year
especially
if
we
lead
the
division
for
most
of
the
year
like
on
another
front
the
sale
of
the
orioles
to
anyone
is
likely
to
be
forced
upon
eli
jacobs
who
is
major
debt
apparently
maybe
we
can
get
an
owner
willing
to
spend
on
proven
rightfielder
free
agent
in
the
winter
fernando
has
made
the
as
the
fifth
starter
the
pitching
staff
looks
pretty
good
sutcliffe
mussina
mcdonald
rhodes
and
fernando
baltimore
is
my
pick
for
the
victors
in
very
competitive
al
east
admiral
steve
liu
internet
address
admiral
jhunix
hcf
jhu
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committee
for
the
liberation
and
intergration
of
terrifying
organisms
and
their
rehabilitation
into
society
from
red
dwarf
polymorph
the
bangles
are
the
greatest
female
rock
band
that
ever
existed
this
sig
has
been
brought
to
you
by
frungy
the
sport
of
kings
second
to
last
day
of
the
season
gregg
the
true
wild
thing
olson
uncorks
wild
pitch
allowing
the
blue
jays
to
tie
blue
jays
win
in
the
th
and
ends
the
baby
birds
miracle
season
of
path
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reply
to
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edu
organization
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of
chicago
lines
there
lot
of
whining
about
how
much
players
are
overpaid
thought
put
together
an
underpaid
team
that
could
win
pennant
splurged
and
let
four
of
the
players
earn
as
much
as
half
million
dollars
the
highest
paid
player
is
frank
thomas
at
cut
some
players
like
kenny
lofton
chris
hoiles
keith
mitchell
tim
wakefield
and
bunch
of
pitchers
all
of
whom
could
have
arguably
made
the
team
better
at
cost
of
million
for
the
lot
of
them
the
total
team
salary
is
averaging
slightly
over
player
if
that
too
steep
you
can
dump
thomas
and
bagwell
replacing
them
with
paul
sorrento
and
minimum
wager
to
save
bit
over
million
dollars
and
still
have
one
of
the
best
teams
in
the
majors
juan
guzman
mussina
castillo
eldred
rhodes
militello
rp
rojas
rp
beck
rp
melendez
rp
hernandez
rp
nied
rodriguez
piazza
thomas
bagwell
knoblauch
barberie
gomez
palmer
ss
listach
ss
pena
lf
gonzalez
cf
lankford
rf
sanders
of
plantier
ted
frank
however
teel
should
have
mentioned
that
though
thf2
kimbark
uchicago
edu
his
advice
is
legally
sound
if
you
follow
it
the
of
law
school
you
will
probably
wind
up
in
jail
standard
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jiann
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su
writes
say
buy
out
henderson
contract
and
let
him
go
bag
groceries
next
season
you
ll
be
able
to
sign
him
for
nothing
that
goes
for
any
bitching
ball
player
doubt
henderson
would
clear
waivers
and
if
he
did
he
would
instantly
be
signed
for
the
major
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minimum
with
oakland
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up
the
remaining
million
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scott
nelson
writes
the
rotation
has
changed
due
to
strange
injury
to
scott
erickson
he
developed
twinge
in
the
stomach
area
and
has
been
taken
out
of
the
rotation
new
rotation
to
the
best
of
my
mind
knowledge
is
kevin
tapani
jim
deshais
pat
mahomes
willie
banks
add
mike
trombley
in
there
somewhere
since
they
need
five
people
mark
guthrie
will
remain
in
the
bullpen
as
the
long
lefty
as
to
ss
and
short
will
be
played
by
scott
leius
who
played
short
for
much
of
his
career
before
the
twins
at
third
mike
pagliarulo
and
jeff
reboulet
will
platoon
pags
and
terry
jorgenson
will
platoon
at
third
with
reboulet
as
the
backup
infielder
pags
looked
pretty
miserable
yesterday
for
guy
who
lead
the
league
in
da
in
muffing
what
should
be
routine
grounders
heck
muffing
grounder
would
probably
have
gotten
to
jorgenson
did
nothing
exceptional
that
noticed
leius
missed
ball
think
gagne
would
have
reached
we
will
certainly
miss
gag
glove
this
season
winfield
has
struggled
during
preseason
sunday
against
the
colorado
rockies
he
went
for
with
rbis
and
scored
once
he
looked
pretty
good
there
contrary
to
what
the
mediots
have
been
saying
he
looked
reasonable
at
first
he
isn
mid
hrbek
but
then
neither
is
the
pretty
big
guy
himself
any
more
note
used
to
seeing
the
twins
looking
kinda
big
on
the
field
but
not
that
big
if
he
hits
vaguely
like
last
year
he
perfectly
good
first
baseman
note
much
of
this
posting
is
from
personal
observation
yesterday
in
game
where
the
regulars
were
mostly
pulled
after
several
innings
winfield
may
have
big
holes
in
his
defensive
game
that
didn
show
up
he
didn
have
to
pick
any
bad
throws
for
example
but
ll
take
what
saw
so
far
david
thornley
have
tickets
will
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ve
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locked
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closet
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to
lab
bench
for
the
last
week
or
two
without
access
to
really
important
information
saw
the
million
shoulder
back
on
the
dl
how
long
is
he
out
for
how
many
millions
inning
will
he
get
this
year
nothing
personal
against
higuera
mind
you
just
wondering
how
bud
can
keep
coffing
up
money
for
him
when
he
lets
current
big
producers
go
over
relative
pittance
please
realize
the
term
relative
pittance
can
only
be
used
with
sarcasm
when
discussing
baseball
salaries
additional
questions
did
nt
get
to
see
bones
pitch
this
spring
how
is
he
looking
and
where
is
he
going
to
fit
in
the
rotation
how
is
surhoff
shaping
up
defensively
at
third
are
they
going
to
build
new
stadium
when
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jonathan
king
writes
less
well
publicized
part
of
the
now
infamous
darrin
jackson
for
derek
bell
trade
was
the
fact
that
san
diego
included
in
the
deal
even
less
publicized
than
this
however
was
that
the
didn
come
from
the
padres
but
from
an
un
named
source
and
that
the
money
didn
go
to
the
blue
jays
in
toronto
the
money
was
diverted
into
london
bank
account
owned
by
shadowy
character
named
vincent
gray
should
be
so
lucky
the
account
number
must
have
been
rejected
the
odd
thing
was
that
gray
wasn
some
british
financier
but
canadian
social
scientist
working
at
the
university
of
western
ontario
gray
was
previously
known
to
the
authorities
only
as
an
associate
of
john
palmer
and
as
the
man
who
had
the
previous
year
discovered
the
true
tater
name
of
bing
bang
ben
macdonald
to
be
accurate
it
is
big
bang
ben
macdonald
soon
after
that
gray
and
palmer
sent
word
to
ottawa
that
canada
had
achieved
absolute
superiority
over
the
united
states
in
the
field
of
baseballistic
research
as
she
controlled
both
the
acker
cook
pitch
alike
contest
and
the
binaca
blast
research
institute
the
prime
minister
smiled
hope
not
to
think
that
would
inadvertantly
give
any
pleasure
to
mulroney
really
ruins
my
day
ps
matthew
wall
marvellous
ending
to
the
section
on
the
expos
okay
so
not
giving
up
the
day
job
but
in
an
effort
to
help
me
keep
the
day
job
ve
managed
to
foist
the
job
of
running
the
binaca
blast
deep
drive
derby
onto
vince
gray
to
whom
future
deep
drive
related
tidbits
should
be
sent
vince
sscl
uwo
ca
or
vince
vaxi
sscl
uwo
ca
please
identify
any
messages
with
the
subject
line
bbddd
vince
can
take
this
post
as
the
cue
to
chime
in
about
what
he
plans
to
do
as
the
new
director
of
the
research
institute
and
what
kind
of
body
armor
ontarians
are
wearing
this
spring
meanwhile
have
to
go
pick
up
that
truckload
of
denis
boucher
cards
bought
to
fill
in
the
area
behind
our
tool
shed
jking
realizing
the
taterific
importance
of
this
work
john
palmer
and
concluded
that
we
might
be
able
to
pool
some
resources
have
not
yet
gone
through
the
archives
that
jonathan
sent
to
me
when
do
will
send
out
an
official
introduction
to
the
deep
drive
derby
however
wonder
if
we
need
to
rename
the
project
now
that
the
principal
investigator
and
research
archive
have
changed
send
your
suggestions
for
rename
of
the
study
to
me
at
the
address
given
above
and
just
think
it
opening
day
soon
the
balls
will
be
flying
out
no
get
your
minds
out
of
the
gutter
of
the
ball
parks
and
helpless
bystanders
will
be
injured
by
balls
reentering
the
atmosphere
and
you
thought
that
meteorite
showers
were
made
of
rocks
who
will
be
the
stars
this
year
can
anyone
hope
to
combat
brad
arnsberg
record
start
to
last
year
the
season
is
young
the
balls
newly
rubbed
in
mud
the
hot
dogs
starting
to
boil
for
the
rest
of
the
year
play
ball
and
take
cover
and
may
all
your
sliders
hang
vince
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ecgillespie
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be
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the
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say
baseball
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game
between
two
teams
of
nine
players
each
let
keep
it
that
way
last
weeks
sports
illustrated
has
couple
of
big
articles
on
the
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hitter
it
is
the
baseball
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th
is
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philadelphia
at
chicago
teams
tied
for
st
after
sunday
dick
redding
battled
chet
brewer
in
the
first
game
of
dramatic
four
game
series
one
friday
one
saturday
and
good
old
sunday
doubleheader
what
could
be
better
declared
ernie
banks
perhaps
the
fact
that
the
cubs
are
challenging
it
pitching
it
always
been
pitching
that
we
ve
lacked
announced
ryne
sandberg
if
we
can
get
by
brewer
then
beat
carlton
alexander
or
bunning
preferrably
of
the
last
three
we
ll
know
we
might
be
able
to
win
lord
hope
we
pull
it
off
the
phils
scored
once
in
the
top
of
the
first
richie
ashburn
singled
pete
rose
followed
with
hit
sending
ashburn
around
second
kiki
cuyler
cut
the
ball
off
in
left
center
and
threw
bullet
in
to
ernie
banks
who
threw
to
ron
santo
to
get
ashburn
at
third
rose
went
to
second
on
the
play
christobel
torrienti
lifted
long
fly
to
center
moving
pete
rose
to
third
schmidt
was
walked
the
cubs
were
absolutely
refusing
to
let
him
beat
them
both
torrienti
and
schmidt
will
likely
draw
walks
this
year
chuck
klein
is
starting
to
hit
very
well
and
he
lashed
double
into
gap
in
right
center
cool
papa
bell
speed
allowed
him
to
cut
the
ball
off
and
prevent
schmidt
from
scoring
nellie
fox
was
walked
and
bob
boone
grounded
out
to
second
ending
the
threat
teams
are
starting
to
realize
that
you
don
have
to
pitch
to
schmidt
or
torrienti
and
that
is
lowering
their
run
total
it
puts
lot
of
pressure
on
klein
and
dick
allen
who
platoons
with
chuck
klein
and
occasionally
spells
rose
at
first
and
it
credit
to
the
phillies
that
they
ve
been
able
to
sustain
their
pace
the
picthers
have
slumped
at
times
so
came
the
analysis
from
frank
chance
the
cubs
got
that
run
back
when
bell
bunted
for
hit
thomas
grounder
moved
him
to
second
and
after
sandberg
made
out
billy
williams
singled
home
run
in
the
sixth
ron
santo
launched
two
run
homer
to
make
it
dick
redding
got
in
trouble
in
the
eighth
as
schmidt
singled
and
klein
singled
him
to
third
ed
reulbach
entered
to
face
fox
but
dick
allen
popped
out
of
the
dugout
to
hit
allen
doubled
to
right
but
luckily
for
the
cubs
williams
had
moved
to
left
and
andre
dawson
had
been
inserted
for
defense
he
fired
bullet
to
home
plate
to
keep
klein
at
third
lance
parrish
hitting
for
boone
was
walked
and
bruce
sutter
entered
larry
bowa
grounded
into
double
play
but
ed
delahanty
walked
as
pinch
hitter
desiring
strikeout
since
ashburn
was
likely
to
attempt
bunt
hit
with
the
quick
trillo
pinch
running
at
third
chance
brought
in
lee
smith
who
induced
pop
up
to
the
catcher
from
the
speedy
centerfielder
ending
the
inning
the
cubs
took
the
win
moving
game
behind
the
phillies
steve
carlton
was
called
upon
to
battle
finger
brown
saturday
to
get
another
righthander
in
the
lineup
ron
santo
moved
to
first
and
bill
madlock
played
third
unfortunately
brown
allowed
six
doubles
and
the
cub
bullpen
was
worn
down
even
more
as
the
cubs
tried
to
maintain
lead
against
lefty
madlock
batting
sixth
had
knocked
two
doubles
of
his
own
driving
home
four
runs
gabby
hartnett
hit
two
home
runs
and
cuyler
added
another
and
the
score
was
cubs
after
six
innings
the
phillie
bullpen
had
more
troubles
in
the
bottom
of
the
eighth
as
the
cubs
grabbed
more
runs
to
ice
an
triumph
sunday
twin
bill
saw
cool
papa
bell
gather
seven
straight
hits
at
one
point
including
rare
outside
the
park
home
run
in
the
second
game
off
robin
roberts
grover
alexander
of
the
phils
took
the
first
contest
but
the
cubs
captured
the
second
one
with
waddell
gaining
the
win
bruce
sutter
tossed
two
innings
for
the
save
though
he
allowed
one
run
in
the
eighth
the
cardinals
stood
half
game
behind
these
co
leaders
and
would
conclude
their
series
with
the
expos
on
monday
montreal
at
st
louis
august
way
tie
for
st
dennis
martinez
is
on
roll
and
he
continued
it
versus
john
tudor
friday
the
expos
have
wide
variety
of
hitters
and
while
they
aren
among
the
all
time
greats
they
are
getting
the
job
done
after
winning
their
first
first
two
games
they
suddenly
found
themselves
only
games
out
of
first
in
this
wacky
season
martinez
triumphed
on
friday
and
williams
outdueled
dizzy
dean
saturday
however
the
cardinals
refused
to
give
up
winning
on
sunday
the
cards
captured
monday
game
too
as
steve
carlton
outdueled
steve
rogers
we
re
really
good
against
ground
ball
pitchers
because
of
our
team
speed
remarked
lou
brock
don
see
why
we
can
win
this
division
the
phillies
and
cubs
may
have
some
reasons
for
them
two
thirds
of
the
way
through
the
season
there
is
way
tie
for
first
new
york
at
pittsburgh
august
straight
wins
for
bucs
now
back
but
in
th
when
your
team
is
in
slump
like
we
are
the
worst
thing
is
to
play
in
pitcher
park
like
this
spoke
gil
hodges
before
the
series
keith
hernandez
added
that
their
defense
takes
away
quite
few
runs
per
year
and
it
must
be
giving
them
an
extra
wins
the
pirates
have
made
only
errors
all
season
ahead
of
the
second
place
dodgers
error
totals
tend
to
be
around
for
the
best
defensive
all
time
teams
rube
foster
defeated
sid
fernandez
friday
and
candelaria
outshone
seaver
saturday
in
game
featuring
some
outstanding
defense
when
nolan
ryan
and
two
relivers
hit
the
mets
in
another
win
sunday
the
pirates
could
once
again
look
forward
to
victory
getting
them
back
to
the
mark
they
had
been
unable
to
several
times
in
the
past
month
bert
blyleven
met
dwight
gooden
in
the
afternoon
game
both
pitchers
possessed
fantastic
stuff
and
the
only
runs
scored
through
eight
innings
were
on
home
runs
solo
shot
by
rusty
staub
of
the
mets
and
two
run
blast
by
ralph
kiner
for
the
pirates
the
mets
darryl
strawberry
singled
home
run
in
the
top
of
the
ninth
off
jesse
orosco
working
his
second
inning
after
mookie
wilson
pinch
ran
for
gary
carter
at
second
with
one
out
and
runner
on
first
lee
mazilli
was
sent
in
to
pinch
hit
the
pirates
countered
with
kent
tekulve
placing
him
in
the
fifth
spot
in
the
order
and
putting
barry
bonds
in
left
field
as
the
ninth
place
hitter
tekulve
induced
groundout
forcing
strawberry
at
second
he
slid
hard
into
honus
wagner
preventing
the
pirates
from
turning
their
fifth
double
play
of
the
afternoon
tekulve
allowed
hit
but
clemente
threw
mazilli
out
at
third
from
near
the
right
field
line
ending
the
inning
tug
mcgraw
relieved
randy
myers
who
entered
to
pitch
the
eighth
and
got
one
out
before
bonds
launched
rocket
to
deep
center
running
through
the
stop
sign
at
third
to
score
an
inside
the
park
homer
to
win
the
pirates
had
scored
an
improbable
straight
wins
and
had
moved
to
within
games
of
first
place
with
seven
weeks
to
go
san
francisco
at
boswaukta
august
another
sunday
doubleheader
appeared
on
the
schedule
as
the
giants
managed
to
close
the
gap
on
the
other
teams
thanks
to
some
starting
pitching
that
just
wouldn
tire
in
fact
reported
manager
john
mcgraw
once
this
rough
part
of
the
schedule
is
over
maybe
as
early
as
this
coming
week
we
may
shift
to
man
rotation
again
for
little
while
juan
marichal
continued
his
hot
pitching
friday
beating
lew
burdette
and
the
braves
willie
mays
had
all
four
on
hits
rick
reuschel
faced
joe
niekro
saturday
in
slugfest
the
braves
park
had
been
homer
haven
but
this
took
the
cake
as
the
giants
won
seesaw
affair
willie
mays
had
three
homers
willie
mccovey
eddie
matthews
and
don
baylor
had
two
and
hank
aaron
ernie
lombardi
biz
mackey
and
mel
ott
had
one
each
the
braves
had
collected
home
runs
going
into
sunday
doubleheader
putting
them
on
pace
for
which
would
be
short
of
the
national
league
record
they
were
still
tad
behind
the
yankees
pace
they
had
allowed
over
though
vida
blue
actually
got
the
win
after
retiring
batters
in
the
fifth
he
allowed
only
run
in
the
sixth
but
faltered
in
the
seventh
joe
mcginnity
earned
the
save
in
the
doubleheader
the
braves
hoyt
wilhelm
failed
to
hold
lead
in
the
first
game
but
hank
aaron
homered
off
bill
foster
in
the
eighth
as
the
braves
won
the
giants
took
the
second
game
however
by
score
the
homer
by
aaron
was
magical
by
the
braves
however
they
fell
to
three
game
below
making
comeback
extremely
unlikely
san
diego
at
cincinnati
aug
randy
jones
faced
ewell
blackwell
in
the
first
of
this
game
series
and
the
padres
felt
rather
good
with
don
mattingly
straining
his
back
in
the
last
cleveland
game
the
trade
looked
even
better
mcgriff
batting
average
was
even
rising
of
course
the
bench
was
very
poor
and
joe
gordon
was
only
adequate
in
the
outfield
but
these
were
minor
problems
since
the
pitching
was
holding
up
jones
pitched
good
game
friday
and
won
mcgriff
launched
two
home
runs
mel
harder
earned
win
with
the
help
of
mark
davis
and
ray
narleski
saturday
was
the
final
score
tom
candiotti
battled
satchel
paige
to
tie
through
eight
innings
before
departing
the
game
was
scoreless
for
more
innings
until
the
thirteenth
paige
had
departed
after
and
john
franco
hurled
scoreless
inning
tom
browning
was
working
his
second
scoreless
inning
when
dave
winfield
doubled
with
one
out
and
joe
gordon
was
pitched
around
thurm
munson
doubled
both
runners
home
and
the
padres
gamed
win
the
three
game
sweep
had
pulled
the
giants
into
tie
with
the
reds
though
the
reds
denied
it
the
highly
emotional
series
with
the
dodgers
may
have
taken
too
much
out
of
them
brookangeles
at
houston
august
another
series
capped
off
by
weekend
doubleheader
took
place
in
the
wide
open
plains
of
the
astrodome
the
astros
sent
joe
niekro
to
the
hill
in
the
first
game
opposite
don
drysdale
normally
drysdale
remarked
would
be
challenging
hitter
by
being
ready
to
throw
at
them
can
afford
to
with
this
team
though
we
have
to
get
our
own
runners
going
we
can
afford
to
let
the
astros
beat
us
he
then
winked
and
said
well
maybe
davis
will
get
decked
once
the
fact
that
glenn
davis
leads
the
team
in
homers
with
six
is
primarily
why
he
would
be
decked
but
it
should
be
understood
that
his
current
pace
would
give
him
nine
for
the
season
the
hitting
on
this
team
is
little
better
but
the
power
is
all
doubles
and
triples
still
carl
furillo
is
the
main
reason
no
astro
home
runs
were
hit
over
the
weekend
as
he
threw
two
runners
out
trying
for
inside
the
park
homers
for
those
unaware
of
the
nastness
of
the
astros
park
they
have
foot
high
gray
wall
all
around
the
outfield
balls
must
be
hit
into
the
seats
to
be
home
runs
the
foul
poles
are
feet
from
home
plate
but
the
alleys
are
feet
away
with
center
field
at
feet
it
as
if
some
three
year
old
threw
tantrum
and
told
his
playmates
if
can
hit
home
runs
nobody
will
hit
home
runs
remarked
roy
campanella
the
dodgers
stole
five
bases
friday
but
the
astros
decided
to
revitalize
the
baltimore
chopping
that
had
failed
weeks
before
for
tonight
anyway
davis
jim
wynn
and
jose
cruz
did
not
have
to
mess
with
their
swings
according
to
the
manager
after
poles
and
willie
wells
reached
base
via
the
baltimore
chop
drysdale
decked
jose
cruz
with
pitch
he
responded
with
two
run
double
but
wynn
playing
first
for
davis
popped
up
and
the
astros
didn
score
any
more
in
that
inning
they
did
score
in
the
fourth
to
erase
deficit
and
the
astros
wound
up
winning
they
threatened
to
do
even
better
the
next
game
as
tommy
john
would
be
their
opponent
walt
alston
met
privately
with
the
starters
at
before
the
game
think
know
how
we
can
beat
the
baltimore
chop
he
explained
how
can
we
do
that
pee
wee
reese
wondered
they
re
going
to
be
beating
the
ball
down
so
we
ve
got
to
be
ready
to
throw
on
the
run
steve
will
start
at
first
to
dig
balls
out
of
the
dirt
but
want
all
of
you
to
practice
your
barehanded
picks
and
throws
we
ll
go
with
shallow
infield
almost
the
whole
time
the
plan
almost
worked
mike
scott
allowed
only
two
runs
through
eight
innings
but
the
astros
got
three
two
of
them
scored
when
bill
doran
pushed
bunt
into
the
outfield
in
the
fourth
with
runners
on
second
and
third
astros
was
the
final
with
dave
smith
earning
another
save
the
dodgers
scored
victory
in
the
first
game
of
the
twin
bill
sunday
as
nolan
ryan
walked
five
three
of
whom
scored
in
dodger
win
fernando
valenzuela
lost
the
second
game
to
don
sutton
however
as
the
dodgers
thirteen
stolen
bases
in
the
series
proved
to
not
be
enough
we
re
mostly
power
team
remarked
ron
cey
jackie
and
when
he
plays
maury
wills
are
our
only
real
speed
demons
though
couple
other
plays
can
do
it
now
and
then
we
re
sunk
in
place
like
the
astrodome
guess
that
why
they
re
so
successful
there
indeed
it
seems
that
basestealing
teams
give
them
the
most
trouble
in
the
dome
the
stros
swiped
bases
in
attempts
giving
them
on
the
season
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after
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let
look
at
the
effects
of
inflation
on
superstars
salaries
read
once
that
the
babe
made
one
year
and
that
was
about
as
good
as
it
got
for
him
let
assume
he
made
that
in
not
sure
of
the
figures
but
know
in
the
ballpark
pun
intended
today
assuming
yearly
inflation
rate
which
is
an
understatement
if
not
accurate
his
measly
salary
would
be
worth
fv
just
over
assuming
inflation
is
average
of
around
fv
almost
didn
crunch
these
numbers
beforehand
these
numbers
might
lead
one
to
believe
that
today
players
are
slightly
overpaid
the
babe
appears
to
have
made
then
what
today
average
to
above
average
players
make
now
perfectly
accurate
salary
year
of
salary
and
average
inflation
rate
would
make
this
analysis
more
accurate
but
don
think
off
by
much
chop
chop
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mule
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know
where
can
get
list
of
nationally
televised
games
such
as
espn
and
tbs
live
on
the
east
coast
and
like
to
catch
as
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giants
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as
possibly
can
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list
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published
every
week
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brian
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was
not
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after
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writes
everytime
have
written
on
the
net
about
the
possibility
of
successfuls
season
by
the
philadelphia
phillies
have
gotten
ripped
from
everybody
from
pittsburgh
to
calcutta
but
if
all
the
ignoramouses
care
to
look
at
this
week
baseball
weekly
they
will
see
that
not
the
only
one
who
considers
then
as
division
winners
the
rest
of
the
most
respected
baseball
writers
in
the
country
do
as
well
and
these
guys
certainly
know
what
they
re
talking
about
every
bozo
from
pittsburgh
to
calcutta
will
just
have
to
sit
up
and
take
notice
this
phils
team
in
an
offensive
juggernaut
which
is
going
to
score
lot
of
runs
and
put
up
ton
of
hits
on
the
scoreboard
you
people
out
there
are
going
to
be
sick
of
seeing
phillies
scattered
all
over
every
offensive
league
leaders
category
in
the
newspaper
these
guys
hit
through
spring
training
well
before
getting
no
hit
yesterday
but
they
had
plane
to
catch
minutes
after
the
game
ended
so
they
re
minds
weren
in
it
up
to
this
point
really
thought
this
had
been
written
by
pro
sdcn
anti
mediot
poster
blessed
with
certain
talent
for
sarcasm
and
biting
remarks
somebody
like
me
for
instance
the
lurid
overstatements
were
obviously
intended
to
humiliate
the
original
poster
now
on
top
of
the
great
offense
they
have
slightly
above
average
pitching
staff
which
has
lot
of
youth
and
promise
if
the
pitchers
do
their
part
and
mitch
keeps
blown
saves
to
minimum
look
for
another
pennant
out
in
left
field
at
the
vet
robert
hite
michael
jack
schmidt
for
commissioner
but
then
the
scales
were
lifted
from
my
eyes
looks
like
robert
is
really
being
serious
oh
well
compare
the
performance
of
the
phillies
with
the
edition
which
had
outstanding
run
producers
at
every
position
except
ss
yet
finished
at
frustrating
sub
level
the
folks
didn
ever
amount
to
anything
and
neither
will
the
squad
imho
any
other
parallels
with
previous
years
teams
for
this
year
editions
in
the
style
of
braves
orioles
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mockingbird
franklin
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lot
more
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face
of
dear
one
well
performed
no
the
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of
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but
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the
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philadelphia
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trhink
that
him
fits
perfectly
in
this
category
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who
writes
dean
palmer
has
homers
at
this
pace
he
ll
have
home
runs
should
be
shot
if
at
the
end
of
april
he
has
and
anyone
writes
at
this
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ll
have
homers
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shouldbe
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thought
francesca
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always
hovered
at
or
below
especially
in
the
nfl
not
counting
college
football
bowl
day
he
nice
analyst
for
explaining
past
tense
and
for
mapping
out
what
plays
teams
might
do
but
for
predicting
the
future
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only
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whne
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robert
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writes
most
of
tirade
deleted
have
an
editor
and
know
how
to
use
it
okay
we
ve
been
conservative
and
added
about
wins
so
far
now
we
re
adding
about
more
wins
thanks
to
the
expansion
teams
okay
thats
wins
lesse
dipshit
math
genuious
hmmm
think
thats
good
enough
to
win
the
worse
division
in
baseball
next
time
before
you
say
something
foolish
get
clue
first
either
this
is
an
example
of
great
sarcasm
or
really
really
worried
dave
hung
like
jim
acker
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do
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quotes
out
of
context
not
to
beat
dead
horse
but
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couple
weeks
this
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me
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mark
singer
said
meant
that
one
should
not
let
the
exception
make
the
rule
it
not
an
exception
good
players
come
up
young
most
players
who
come
up
young
will
be
good
this
has
always
been
the
rule
are
most
players
who
come
up
young
always
good
when
they
re
young
or
later
worse
it
not
shift
this
is
the
way
it
has
always
been
several
detailed
studies
of
this
have
been
done
and
they
ve
all
shown
that
players
aren
coming
up
any
younger
or
older
than
in
the
past
and
they
aren
playing
any
more
or
less
in
the
minors
than
they
used
to
the
only
thing
that
shifts
is
our
memories
of
the
good
old
days
damn
was
afraid
you
would
say
that
but
all
after
the
fact
which
makes
it
not
applicable
to
the
current
discussion
which
is
about
how
you
decide
whether
to
play
the
rookie
who
hasn
established
himself
in
the
majors
over
the
mediocre
veteran
the
padres
played
santiago
that
year
because
they
clearly
had
nobody
else
worth
playing
well
perhaps
if
the
braves
had
no
one
else
worth
playing
this
year
it
would
be
lopez
in
there
but
they
do
have
others
worth
playing
at
least
in
their
opinion
and
happen
to
agree
both
of
these
young
men
were
highly
touted
defensive
catchers
expected
to
be
among
the
best
ever
in
baseball
not
by
rec
sport
baseball
consensus
that
may
sound
like
an
incredibly
arrogant
comment
but
ve
found
that
the
sdcn
consensus
when
one
exists
is
right
far
more
often
than
the
media
consensus
or
the
opinions
of
baseball
people
affiliated
with
mlb
can
believe
that
newbie
here
so
ll
take
your
word
but
alomar
is
fine
defensive
catcher
which
was
my
statement
above
that
is
solid
reason
for
bringing
him
up
at
tender
age
as
long
as
they
feel
he
can
also
hit
bit
lopez
does
not
have
such
consensus
about
his
defensive
prowess
and
imho
that
is
enough
to
give
him
that
dreaded
seasoning
don
know
who
knows
suppose
the
same
people
or
similar
who
know
he
will
be
better
than
some
other
catcher
these
are
of
course
just
differing
opinions
read
that
his
arm
is
not
that
strong
suppose
somewhere
there
is
some
measurement
of
sb
ratios
and
that
he
is
still
learning
to
call
game
that
latter
skill
may
be
difficult
to
project
on
someone
without
an
intimate
knowledge
of
his
performance
but
it
is
tangible
skill
disagree
in
that
don
think
it
is
tangible
skill
any
more
than
leadership
is
don
deny
that
it
is
real
skill
and
that
some
catchers
may
be
much
better
than
others
at
it
but
really
don
see
any
way
that
we
could
ever
know
who
they
are
nichols
law
of
catcher
defense
is
eerily
accurate
far
too
often
for
me
to
take
defensive
assessments
of
catchers
very
seriously
sorry
new
don
know
nichols
law
don
believe
in
catchers
era
but
am
interested
in
pitchers
eras
with
different
catchers
any
info
on
that
absolutely
the
evidence
is
piling
up
year
after
year
the
only
other
alternative
is
that
the
braves
really
don
know
that
their
young
players
are
on
average
better
than
their
current
starters
not
ruling
out
that
kind
of
gross
incompetence
but
think
the
salary
schedule
explanation
is
more
charitable
in
other
words
we
know
more
than
they
do
so
the
only
logic
behind
different
decision
than
we
would
make
must
be
financial
presume
we
feel
this
way
about
other
franchises
than
atlanta
no
consider
we
know
that
the
braves
are
about
the
strongest
team
in
baseball
right
now
even
with
olson
and
lemke
and
nixon
and
bream
in
the
lineup
they
have
as
good
chance
of
repeating
as
champs
this
year
as
any
team
ever
has
it
actually
makes
some
sense
to
say
rather
than
making
our
team
marginally
better
this
year
by
bringing
up
the
young
studs
and
dumping
the
elderly
let
go
ahead
and
compete
this
year
with
what
we
have
and
then
bring
up
the
studs
only
as
we
have
to
so
that
we
ll
still
have
them
under
reserve
three
years
from
now
and
beyond
when
the
current
team
will
be
collecting
pensions
is
it
fair
to
the
young
players
no
does
it
make
organizational
sense
think
it
does
well
if
it
does
make
organizational
sense
one
can
hardly
fault
them
for
their
decisions
mean
please
don
tell
me
how
to
run
my
business
especially
when
being
successful
could
make
it
or
wins
if
you
let
me
bring
up
lopez
listen
bobby
like
to
but
the
way
see
it
if
he
hits
the
big
club
this
year
we
ll
be
paying
mega
arbitration
bucks
down
the
road
in
couple
of
years
and
there
no
way
want
to
do
that
and
continues
with
we
can
win
without
him
and
then
keep
winning
next
year
with
him
how
that
sure
you
could
be
right
you
could
also
be
smoking
some
illegal
substance
hey
that
joke
don
get
offended
please
hey
love
to
be
wrong
about
this
if
you
think
it
unlikely
love
to
know
why
don
cite
anybody
innate
ethical
rectitude
though
unless
you
know
them
personally
well
can
cite
anyone
ethical
rectitude
because
don
know
what
it
means
but
again
if
it
makes
organizational
sense
then
so
be
it
baseball
is
business
and
if
there
is
solid
business
reason
for
keeping
lopez
on
the
farm
then
that
what
the
braves
should
do
happen
to
believe
that
it
baseball
decision
while
you
from
your
armchair
may
disagee
don
think
there
is
lot
of
evidence
to
suggest
the
decision
they
made
predicted
it
among
large
guffaws
from
several
at
the
start
of
spring
training
think
it
is
very
normal
decision
to
have
made
it
is
certainly
more
reversible
than
to
have
started
lopez
in
the
bigs
and
have
released
one
of
their
catchers
sure
it
may
be
conservative
it
may
also
be
logical
don
know
what
ethics
have
to
do
with
it
seems
like
pretty
good
common
sense
to
me
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his
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passing
on
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yesterday
being
that
this
is
francesa
talkin
the
opinions
are
well
worth
consideration
indeed
after
all
he
was
the
wizard
foresaw
the
year
of
the
big
east
in
the
ncaa
tournament
unfortunatly
none
of
those
teams
made
it
into
the
sweet
sixteen
much
less
new
orleans
neither
did
he
overall
mike
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has
an
outstanding
prediction
record
overall
how
do
you
figure
ignore
him
at
your
own
peril
so
far
my
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from
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tragic
if
ted
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were
to
pick
up
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twombly
writes
mo
vaughn
can
hit
in
the
spring
mo
vaughn
can
only
hit
during
the
season
excellent
point
hope
to
god
that
ted
simmons
doesn
get
the
weird
idea
of
trading
for
the
guy
and
if
he
does
he
had
better
not
include
jeff
king
in
the
deal
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god
what
if
he
traded
zane
smith
and
jeff
king
for
vaughn
and
greg
blosser
it
would
be
worse
than
the
nichols
curse
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guess
that
doesn
sound
sincere
enough
oh
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writes
javier
lopez
is
better
catcher
than
greg
olson
but
has
there
ever
in
the
history
of
baseball
been
year
old
or
younger
rookie
catcher
who
compared
favorably
among
all
league
catchers
in
terms
of
defense
and
brought
bat
wasn
it
sandy
alomar
who
was
supposed
to
be
that
good
in
his
rookie
year
not
wasn
it
benito
santiago
who
was
supposed
to
be
that
good
in
his
rookie
year
not
hrm
sandy
alomar
year
old
rookie
games
threw
out
few
baserunners
benito
santiago
year
old
rookie
games
he
threw
out
few
baserunners
too
ivan
rodriguez
year
old
rookies
games
didn
exactly
suck
behind
the
plate
can
continue
this
thread
with
the
others
mentioned
but
you
get
the
point
you
and
others
seem
to
be
so
quick
to
dismiss
the
seasoned
veterans
in
favor
of
the
hot
young
rookies
perhaps
just
perhaps
the
management
team
of
the
pennant
winning
braves
knows
something
more
than
you
do
and
perhaps
what
they
know
is
that
very
very
few
and
year
old
rookies
come
up
to
the
majors
and
make
an
impact
true
which
only
makes
it
more
important
to
realize
when
you
have
one
of
the
few
lopez
season
last
year
adjusted
to
major
league
equivalencies
was
hrs
how
bad
does
he
have
to
be
behind
the
plate
for
that
to
not
be
better
than
olson
mike
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would
not
admire
hitting
against
ryne
duren
because
if
he
ever
hit
you
in
the
head
you
might
be
in
the
past
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was
watching
peter
gammons
on
espn
last
night
and
he
got
me
little
confused
while
talking
about
expansion
he
started
mentioning
people
who
might
benefit
from
the
fringe
players
they
ll
be
facing
mcgriff
hitting
home
runs
sheffield
getting
rbi
and
glavine
winning
games
this
was
of
course
all
in
reference
to
what
happened
the
other
times
that
baseball
has
expanded
early
late
late
what
really
confused
me
though
was
the
mention
of
al
players
who
would
do
well
next
year
specifically
roger
clemens
winning
games
and
the
likes
of
mcgwire
and
gonzalez
hitting
home
runs
my
question
is
how
in
the
hell
will
the
rockies
marlins
help
the
al
the
last
time
looked
there
wasn
lot
of
talent
jumping
leagues
did
miss
something
dennis
cleary
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wondered
the
same
thing
when
he
first
mentioned
it
thought
he
was
just
making
mistake
but
then
he
said
it
over
and
over
and
then
in
the
examples
from
other
years
he
gave
stats
for
players
from
both
leagues
even
when
only
one
league
expanded
so
since
stats
never
lie
guess
there
is
an
effect
on
both
leagues
because
the
expansion
draft
takes
talent
from
both
leagues
equally
making
every
team
in
both
leagues
dilute
their
major
league
talent
by
calling
up
players
that
normally
they
would
not
have
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in
innings
in
the
this
puts
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in
remembering
the
season
after
we
didn
do
much
over
winter
and
we
wound
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in
th
now
know
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mussina
mcdonald
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rhodes
are
better
pitching
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ballard
and
milacki
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are
any
other
oriole
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scared
out
there
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in
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into
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problem
is
that
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abbreviation
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from
the
polymorph
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the
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the
greatest
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rock
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existed
this
sig
has
been
brought
to
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by
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sport
of
kings
my
god
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drilling
holes
through
his
head
is
not
the
answer
dr
mccoy
you
know
susanna
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has
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ass
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by
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ed
tech
writes
at
times
it
seems
as
if
no
others
in
the
bullpen
are
used
by
cox
for
middle
relief
marvin
only
pitched
innings
this
spring
he
is
supposed
to
be
over
his
surgery
and
am
wondering
if
cox
is
still
trying
to
decide
who
to
use
as
middle
relief
and
thinks
that
marvin
might
be
his
better
choice
early
in
the
season
would
immediately
give
mcmchael
many
chances
to
pitch
after
spring
and
then
use
bedrock
and
freeman
after
that
am
wondering
how
he
intends
to
use
howell
whatever
happened
to
senior
smoke
do
you
mean
juan
berenguer
he
was
traded
for
mark
davis
in
the
middle
of
last
season
exchanged
one
stiff
for
another
as
berenguer
hadn
come
back
from
his
injury
in
think
he
retired
now
anyhow
as
middle
relief
marvin
ain
that
bad
he
at
least
can
pitch
couple
of
innings
or
do
mop
up
work
don
know
much
about
mcmichael
was
he
the
mexican
league
guy
but
everybody
else
in
the
pen
is
inning
man
except
maybe
mercker
eric
roush
fierkelab
bchm
biochem
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am
marxist
of
the
groucho
sort
grafitti
paris
tanstaafl
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haven
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able
to
keep
up
with
baseball
much
this
season
have
few
questions
about
my
favorite
team
the
minnesota
twins
how
good
does
their
rotation
look
the
last
heard
the
order
is
tapani
erikson
mahomes
banks
and
some
guy
ve
never
heard
of
sounds
pretty
pathetic
to
me
well
maybe
it
will
be
banks
is
year
old
prospect
who
hasn
matured
as
quickly
as
they
would
have
liked
mahomes
is
year
old
who
is
very
highly
touted
tapani
and
erickson
are
also
young
and
have
looked
very
good
this
spring
the
last
spot
was
between
jim
deshaies
formerly
of
houston
and
and
mike
trombley
deshaies
hasn
looked
very
good
this
spring
so
believe
that
the
spot
has
gone
to
trombley
although
they
hadn
wanted
starters
this
unproven
personally
believe
very
highly
in
mahomes
and
trombley
who
is
playing
short
and
third
well
scott
leius
is
the
shortstop
he
played
mostly
last
year
but
was
ss
in
the
minors
and
moved
back
after
gagne
left
to
is
split
maybe
between
pagliarulo
who
has
had
great
spring
and
terry
jorgenson
good
looking
kid
who
has
languished
in
portland
for
years
not
sure
how
the
time
will
be
divided
but
they
seem
to
be
happy
with
what
they
have
here
like
jorgenson
but
fear
they
might
give
too
much
time
to
pags
how
winfield
doing
sorry
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like
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if
anyone
is
still
taking
entries
for
prediction
pools
contests
could
you
snag
mine
and
add
it
to
the
list
thanks
just
glad
it
opening
day
makes
up
little
bit
for
the
gloom
doom
weather
patterns
here
lundy
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like
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march
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at
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batting
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multi
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and
on
base
during
every
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can
find
this
information
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any
sports
magazines
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this
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do
have
to
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the
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anyone
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clue
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in
on
whether
the
dead
or
members
of
sang
the
national
anthem
at
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imagine
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is
bit
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for
anyone
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an
answer
would
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and
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but
as
jay
fan
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thing
feared
worst
has
happened
the
yanks
sent
down
williams
and
are
going
to
start
williams
in
cf
also
believe
they
kept
wickman
and
millitello
in
their
rotation
which
is
much
nicer
than
that
kaminiecki
and
mike
witt
combo
thought
they
throw
out
their
to
the
slaughterhouse
because
of
their
experience
granted
witt
might
be
good
but
think
that
they
used
rationale
to
keep
the
youngsters
up
and
not
given
the
job
to
witt
because
he
was
good
pitcher
and
has
experience
the
yanks
are
showing
that
they
are
taking
positive
strides
forwards
the
jays
with
the
loss
of
dave
stewart
are
looking
at
gigantic
holes
in
their
pitching
staff
the
orioles
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also
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this
is
what
jackson
looked
like
in
with
everything
converted
to
neutral
park
on
the
basis
of
run
production
his
equivalent
average
started
at
in
was
up
to
in
and
in
so
let
us
say
he
had
established
in
his
last
two
seasons
level
of
play
that
is
good
very
good
in
fact
but
it
probably
doesn
make
the
top
ten
in
the
league
the
th
best
eqa
in
the
al
in
was
dave
winfield
thomas
was
first
at
first
in
the
nl
was
bonds
an
incroyable
tenth
was
bip
roberts
but
is
better
than
any
season
in
the
past
five
years
by
joe
carter
it
is
about
what
mattingly
had
in
what
felix
jose
had
the
last
two
years
just
ahead
of
time
raines
five
year
average
better
than
ryan
klesko
mles
he
got
more
attention
from
the
media
than
was
warranted
from
his
baseball
playing
though
his
hype
was
lot
better
than
his
hitting
that
is
the
basis
for
the
net
comments
about
him
being
overrated
the
media
would
have
you
beleive
he
was
great
hitter
think
he
was
good
maybe
very
good
hitter
he
was
imo
something
like
the
th
best
hitter
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writes
at
age
alomar
had
brilliant
rookie
year
true
he
was
limited
by
injuries
in
his
sophomore
season
but
his
numbers
both
that
yaer
and
the
year
following
were
quite
mediocre
this
season
the
same
bill
james
projects
ba
of
ops
of
the
same
bill
james
why
do
you
say
that
it
sounds
like
you
re
suggesting
bill
james
had
something
to
do
with
overhyping
the
kid
to
death
au
contraire
he
was
fairly
critical
of
him
after
his
roy
campaign
noting
that
he
wasn
all
world
as
catcher
or
hitter
he
called
him
basically
average
when
everyone
else
in
the
media
was
predicting
the
next
johnny
bench
or
roy
campanella
both
of
these
young
men
were
highly
touted
defensive
catchers
expected
to
be
among
the
best
ever
in
baseball
the
reports
read
indicate
that
lopez
is
very
ordinary
defensively
which
reports
are
those
the
dodgers
options
are
parrish
and
hernandez
and
now
only
carlos
piazza
is
as
long
as
he
continues
with
his
very
hot
bat
they
will
keep
him
in
the
lineup
because
they
need
the
offensive
production
when
he
cools
off
look
for
the
much
better
defensive
catcher
hernandez
only
to
play
more
like
hernandez
lot
but
if
piazza
can
catch
the
ball
you
ve
gotta
play
him
imho
he
much
better
hitter
although
hernandez
isn
bad
hitter
right
now
it
sounds
like
piazza
will
catch
most
of
the
time
and
hernandez
will
be
candiotti
caddy
since
he
can
catch
the
knuckler
as
long
as
they
play
up
to
their
abilities
the
dodgers
could
have
very
good
catching
tandem
the
braves
options
are
berryhill
and
olson
agree
that
olson
is
nothing
special
but
do
think
berryhill
is
better
than
many
people
on
rsb
believe
but
both
the
braves
catchers
are
very
good
defensively
calling
game
blocking
the
plate
throwing
and
although
they
are
somewhat
weak
offenivsively
they
play
on
team
that
is
not
so
much
in
need
of
another
big
bat
think
both
are
overrated
defensively
see
nichols
law
of
catcher
defense
but
that
something
that
difficult
to
prove
or
disprove
from
your
viewpoint
or
mine
about
the
only
tangible
thing
we
can
look
at
is
opponent
sb
and
that
clouded
by
how
well
your
pitchers
hold
runners
catchers
era
is
possibility
but
it
subject
to
way
too
many
biases
as
for
them
playing
on
team
that
is
not
so
much
in
need
of
another
big
bat
disagree
here
too
about
the
only
chink
in
the
braves
armor
is
that
they
re
weak
offensively
at
several
positions
cf
ss
if
belliard
plays
unless
bream
and
hunter
form
another
super
platoon
and
very
weak
defensively
if
blauser
plays
like
to
see
the
braves
give
at
least
one
of
mel
nieves
javy
lopez
or
chipper
jones
shot
but
much
like
the
talent
rich
jays
of
recent
years
they
ll
be
conservative
and
stick
with
what
they
have
not
saying
that
wrong
just
conservative
dave
hung
like
jim
acker
slider
kirsch
blue
jays
do
it
again
in
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him
fits
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in
this
category
could
be
there
is
jayson
stark
that
writes
weekly
for
some
press
syndicate
and
also
for
baseball
america
anyone
who
writes
dean
palmer
has
homers
at
this
pace
he
ll
have
home
runs
should
be
shot
if
at
the
end
of
april
he
has
and
anyone
writes
at
this
pace
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ll
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homers
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shouldbe
shot
too
stark
has
done
this
sort
of
thing
but
he
has
never
been
serious
about
it
he
usually
states
that
this
sort
of
projection
is
useless
at
the
top
of
such
columns
think
he
did
it
one
season
and
some
manager
was
projected
to
be
thrown
out
of
games
and
some
hitter
could
expect
to
be
plunked
times
stark
does
some
really
funny
stuff
his
weekly
baseball
reviews
are
good
collections
of
strange
things
that
happened
during
the
previous
week
he
also
regularly
prints
kinerisms
lance
cr2o3
h2o
smith
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after
being
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this
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good
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always
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ready
for
the
majors
early
how
many
hofers
were
not
contributing
major
leaguers
by
the
time
they
were
that
brings
up
an
interesting
point
anyone
else
catch
espn
piece
about
prospects
and
the
relationship
between
age
career
length
mvps
and
hall
of
fame
members
it
was
part
of
their
preseason
special
basically
they
looked
at
players
that
had
amassed
plate
appearances
or
abs
by
the
time
they
were
and
noticed
some
interesting
things
for
starters
they
found
out
such
players
comprised
the
majority
of
mvps
in
the
history
of
the
game
they
also
found
out
such
players
represented
the
majority
of
the
players
in
the
hall
of
fame
the
kicker
though
was
that
they
actually
did
some
number
crunching
and
found
that
such
players
careers
lasted
much
longer
than
the
careers
of
players
not
in
that
group
they
also
found
that
these
players
produced
at
both
greater
level
of
performance
and
produced
over
twice
the
raw
totals
hrs
etc
of
the
other
players
the
first
group
outhit
the
second
something
like
to
in
raw
ba
and
blew
away
the
second
group
in
such
categories
as
hrs
bs
rbis
etc
it
was
the
most
impressive
thing
ve
seen
on
espn
in
recent
memory
guess
ray
knight
makes
his
rebuttal
tonight
dave
hung
like
jim
acker
slider
kirsch
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that
the
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to
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the
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espn
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about
prospects
and
the
relationship
between
age
career
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mvps
and
hall
of
fame
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everytime
have
written
on
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net
about
the
possibility
of
successfuls
season
by
the
philadelphia
phillies
have
gotten
ripped
from
everybody
from
pittsburgh
to
calcutta
but
if
all
the
ignoramouses
care
to
look
at
this
week
baseball
weekly
they
will
see
that
not
the
only
one
who
considers
then
as
division
winners
the
rest
of
the
most
respected
baseball
writers
in
the
country
do
as
well
and
what
was
the
reasoning
of
this
genius
writer
that
even
though
their
pitching
is
at
best
sound
they
will
win
on
the
strength
of
their
offense
lesse
offense
offense
thompson
incaviglia
offense
wins
division
winners
at
least
wins
so
wins
wins
thompson
incaviglia
therefore
wins
thompson
incaviglia
what
did
you
learn
in
school
today
if
you
take
math
course
and
your
teacher
turns
out
to
be
rob
rains
run
don
walk
to
drop
add
tierney
you
obviously
don
know
what
the
hell
you
re
talking
about
no
thompson
and
incaviglia
don
equal
wins
but
ll
take
the
two
of
them
over
stan
javier
and
ruben
amaro
hr
ab
hr
ab
say
this
improvement
should
equate
to
or
wins
at
least
then
ll
take
lenny
dykstra
who
played
games
last
year
and
project
his
numbers
hits
hr
rbi
sb
over
games
thus
hits
hr
rbi
sb
okay
now
we
ll
put
these
numbers
in
the
leadoff
hole
and
thus
have
to
bump
kruk
hollins
daulton
rbi
numbers
up
just
tad
now
lesse
they
knocked
in
and
respectively
don
you
think
it
fair
to
add
about
or
rbi
to
each
they
managed
to
knock
in
pretty
nice
amount
of
runs
with
leadoff
hitter
okay
bozo
do
you
think
it
fair
to
add
maybe
or
more
wins
now
oh
and
how
can
forget
wes
chamberlain
ab
hr
rbi
even
with
month
and
in
aaa
and
horrible
first
half
well
project
that
over
full
season
to
get
hr
and
rbi
or
so
is
that
worth
win
or
two
finally
take
the
worse
pitching
staff
in
the
nl
last
year
add
the
worse
injury
decimation
of
okay
now
we
add
danny
jackson
some
health
and
full
season
for
schilling
is
that
worth
at
least
wins
okay
we
ve
been
conservative
and
added
about
wins
so
far
now
we
re
adding
about
more
wins
thanks
to
the
expansion
teams
okay
thats
wins
lesse
dipshit
math
genuious
hmmm
think
thats
good
enough
to
win
the
worse
division
in
baseball
next
time
before
you
say
something
foolish
get
clue
first
actually
was
simply
relaying
the
reasoning
of
this
so
called
genius
bw
writer
agree
the
reasoning
was
foolish
next
time
before
you
say
something
foolish
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aware
what
you
are
responding
to
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two
teams
changes
their
logo
or
minor
uniform
change
per
season
but
the
past
few
seasons
have
been
incredible
any
thoughts
on
the
new
old
reds
uniforms
remember
seeing
pete
rose
rookie
card
and
unless
miss
my
guess
he
was
wearing
the
exact
same
duds
the
mets
how
about
doc
performance
today
have
reinserted
the
mets
patch
on
the
shoulder
and
changed
the
mets
insgnia
on
the
front
of
the
jersey
to
my
knowledge
it
is
the
first
time
that
has
been
changed
since
and
it
reminds
me
little
of
the
dodger
logo
many
teams
have
opted
for
return
to
previous
style
of
uniform
or
at
least
uniforms
that
look
more
traditional
phillies
reds
expos
white
sox
padres
etc
and
the
once
bright
colors
have
been
altered
to
gray
the
trend
has
also
seen
the
newer
baseball
fields
resembling
the
parks
of
the
early
years
as
opposed
to
the
cookie
cutter
saucer
stadiums
construcrted
throughout
the
sixties
with
salaries
now
reaching
unbelievable
highs
no
one
in
the
comissioner
office
and
inter
league
play
on
the
horizon
it
nice
to
see
that
baseball
at
least
looks
like
it
was
meant
to
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qualify
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arbitration
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were
never
free
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called
the
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clause
look
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and
year
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now
we
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several
of
these
guys
are
way
overpaid
and
getting
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am
participating
in
an
nl
league
that
uses
standard
rotisserie
rules
except
that
the
following
catagories
are
used
for
position
players
lowest
batting
average
strike
outs
caught
stealing
errors
for
pitchers
losses
blown
saves
higest
era
taters
allowed
this
is
the
fifth
year
that
ve
participated
in
this
blowtisserie
league
last
year
won
the
pennant
due
primarily
to
the
fact
that
had
terrible
pitching
would
like
to
lower
my
batting
average
which
is
rather
high
because
do
have
jose
offerman
who
made
up
for
this
by
helping
me
lock
first
place
in
errors
anyway
someone
offered
andres
gallaraga
for
bud
black
can
afford
to
give
up
bud
black
because
still
have
kyle
abbott
however
am
afraid
of
andres
actually
doing
well
this
season
should
make
the
trade
or
not
your
comments
will
be
appreciated
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just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
have
lost
what
little
respect
have
for
jim
lefebvre
after
seeing
today
cubs
game
first
of
all
how
could
he
start
maldonado
over
may
after
the
way
may
played
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
the
way
he
tore
up
the
cactus
league
how
could
you
let
him
sit
the
bench
not
to
mention
that
right
hander
maddux
started
really
blew
my
top
when
lefebvre
pinch
hit
for
rick
wilkins
with
tommy
shields
how
can
you
do
that
just
because
of
the
lefty
righty
thing
too
much
is
made
of
that
wilkins
is
twice
the
hitter
that
shields
is
then
the
next
batter
was
jose
vizcaino
one
of
the
weakest
hitters
have
ever
seen
and
who
had
looked
terrible
at
bat
all
day
and
lefebre
let
him
hit
while
may
still
sat
the
bench
think
even
arnie
harris
was
stunned
by
this
because
he
showed
may
sitting
in
the
dugout
while
vizcaino
was
batting
face
it
lefebvre
has
got
to
be
the
worst
manager
in
baseball
dishard
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fan
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frank
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in
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mar29
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writes
personally
think
that
alomar
is
all
hype
he
is
producing
incredibly
now
but
in
the
long
run
he
will
never
put
up
the
numbers
that
sandberg
has
for
this
moment
alomar
may
be
the
best
but
overall
sandberg
wins
out
by
long
shot
when
sandberg
was
alomar
age
he
was
putting
up
seasons
with
no
power
alomar
oba
is
points
higher
than
sandberg
career
high
alomar
career
high
in
doubles
and
triples
is
higher
than
sandberg
sandberg
is
still
better
than
alomar
but
only
because
alomar
hasn
reached
his
full
potential
yet
alomar
got
year
headstart
on
sandberg
he
has
hits
sandberg
didn
have
hits
until
he
was
and
is
likely
to
put
up
better
career
numbers
than
sandberg
in
everything
except
home
runs
he
ll
pass
sandberg
in
stolen
bases
sometime
in
sandberg
is
not
particulary
known
for
his
stolen
bases
what
competition
did
alomar
have
sandberg
came
in
year
after
ripken
and
the
same
year
as
boggs
gwynn
and
the
other
magicians
so
less
attention
was
given
to
sandberg
alomar
is
the
only
one
in
his
class
to
be
worth
mediocre
besides
the
numbers
don
count
national
league
pitchers
are
much
better
pitchers
larry
on
someone
elses
account
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that
have
lost
what
little
respect
have
for
jim
lefebvre
after
seeing
today
cubs
game
first
of
all
how
could
he
etc
vizcaino
was
batting
face
it
lefebvre
has
got
to
be
the
worst
manager
in
baseball
dishard
cub
fan
hey
he
the
only
manager
so
far
to
lead
the
seattle
mariners
to
winning
season
out
of
what
fifteen
give
him
some
credit
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that
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rod
beck
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came
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years
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ml
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limited
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seem
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improving
on
them
let
see
what
he
does
the
help
of
pitchout
every
other
pitch
as
remember
even
bob
brenly
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good
throwout
percentage
under
roger
craig
who
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to
sacrifice
the
count
for
runners
being
thrown
out
of
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he
suffered
from
ball
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andres
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lighten
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harry
skip
ll
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like
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in
couple
of
years
it
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like
gahlah
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sf
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bobby
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is
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after
few
down
years
the
east
is
back
to
where
it
was
in
the
early
eighties
with
the
emergence
of
the
and
the
yanks
it
is
far
and
away
the
best
while
the
west
has
the
best
team
in
baseball
and
the
reds
aren
bad
either
they
have
nothing
else
the
giants
astros
and
padres
all
have
talent
they
do
not
have
the
all
arounf
teams
that
are
found
in
the
east
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the
dodgers
just
plain
suck
as
for
the
rockies
who
knows
the
east
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the
defending
champs
and
although
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lost
lot
to
free
agency
toronto
is
still
one
of
the
best
in
baseball
the
orioles
have
the
preseason
favorite
to
win
the
cy
young
in
mike
mussina
and
you
can
never
forget
about
ripken
the
signings
of
harold
baines
and
harold
reynolds
don
hurt
to
much
either
although
always
liked
bill
ripken
while
they
let
lot
go
this
summer
randy
milligan
joe
orsulak
bill
ripken
bob
milacki
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storm
davis
and
craig
lefferts
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kept
the
heart
of
their
team
intact
my
predicted
finish
baltimore
could
be
biased
opinion
ny
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players
players
who
are
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younger
will
tend
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have
explosions
in
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whether
mmle
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in
the
next
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and
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at
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here
an
easy
question
for
someone
who
knows
nothing
about
baseball
what
city
do
the
california
angels
play
out
of
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richard
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have
no
idea
what
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re
doing
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worry
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you
prior
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foul
bunt
rule
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is
the
record
for
the
most
foul
balls
by
batter
during
one
at
bat
total
pitches
who
was
the
batter
who
was
the
pitcher
same
as
except
after
the
foul
bunt
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associated
data
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be
nice
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date
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mark
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sandberg
is
not
particulary
known
for
his
stolen
bases
what
competition
did
alomar
have
sandberg
came
in
year
after
ripken
and
the
same
year
as
boggs
gwynn
and
the
other
magicians
so
less
attention
was
given
to
sandberg
alomar
is
the
only
one
in
his
class
to
be
worth
mediocre
besides
the
numbers
don
count
national
league
pitchers
are
much
better
pitchers
you
re
right
thomas
gonzalez
sheffield
and
griffey
don
even
begin
to
compare
with
ripken
boggs
and
gwynn
so
no
wonder
alomar
gets
so
much
attention
sandberg
got
no
attention
his
rookie
year
because
his
rookie
year
was
terrible
so
was
his
sophomore
year
national
league
pitchers
are
much
better
pitchers
that
certainly
explains
sheffield
hm
are
you
confusing
have
era
that
are
lower
because
they
don
face
dh
with
much
better
ted
frank
however
teel
should
have
mentioned
that
though
thf2
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his
advice
is
legally
sound
if
you
follow
it
the
of
law
school
you
will
probably
wind
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standard
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donnie
trump
writes
was
watching
peter
gammons
on
espn
last
night
and
he
got
me
little
confused
while
talking
about
expansion
he
started
mentioning
people
who
might
benefit
from
the
fringe
players
they
ll
be
facing
mcgriff
hitting
home
runs
sheffield
getting
rbi
and
glavine
winning
games
this
was
of
course
all
in
reference
to
what
happened
the
other
times
that
baseball
has
expanded
early
late
late
what
really
confused
me
though
was
the
mention
of
al
players
who
would
do
well
next
year
specifically
roger
clemens
winning
games
and
the
likes
of
mcgwire
and
gonzalez
hitting
home
runs
my
question
is
how
in
the
hell
will
the
rockies
marlins
help
the
al
the
last
time
looked
there
wasn
lot
of
talent
jumping
leagues
did
miss
something
only
if
you
persist
in
believing
that
peter
gammons
is
more
knowledgable
about
baseball
than
the
average
mailbox
okay
overstating
still
the
man
actually
had
the
gall
to
say
that
one
out
of
every
six
pitchers
in
the
nl
this
year
did
not
pitch
in
the
majors
last
year
huh
imo
this
expansion
will
not
see
the
explosive
jump
in
offense
that
the
other
expansion
drafts
had
since
the
talent
was
diluted
over
both
leagues
in
gammons
defense
because
the
talent
drain
came
from
the
al
as
well
some
increase
will
be
seen
he
also
gets
credit
for
mentioning
that
the
jump
in
offense
was
due
also
to
the
rules
changes
after
the
season
he
still
full
of
it
kurt
bose
as
in
daisy
not
rose
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you
take
out
all
the
ks
this
is
an
page
book
wally
backman
leafing
though
copy
of
mets
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david
robert
walker
writes
bo
jackson
kcr
kcr
kcr
cws
maj
maj
this
is
what
jackson
looked
like
in
with
everything
converted
to
neutral
park
on
the
basis
of
run
production
his
equivalent
average
started
at
in
was
up
to
in
and
in
so
let
us
say
he
had
established
in
his
last
two
seasons
level
of
play
not
quite
sure
how
these
numbers
are
generated
it
appears
that
in
neutral
park
bo
hr
and
slugging
tend
to
drop
he
actually
loses
two
home
runs
or
do
they
what
is
equivalent
average
one
thing
when
looking
at
bo
stats
is
that
you
can
see
that
kc
took
away
some
homers
normally
you
expect
some
would
be
homers
to
go
for
doubles
or
triples
in
big
parks
or
to
be
caught
and
for
that
matter
you
expect
lots
of
doubles
and
triples
anyway
but
bo
despite
his
speed
hit
very
few
doubles
and
not
that
many
triples
so
would
expect
his
value
to
have
risen
quite
considerably
in
neutral
park
that
is
good
very
good
in
fact
but
it
probably
doesn
make
the
top
ten
in
the
league
the
th
best
eqa
in
the
al
in
was
dave
winfield
thomas
was
first
at
first
in
the
nl
was
bonds
an
incroyable
tenth
was
bip
roberts
but
is
better
than
any
season
in
the
past
five
years
by
joe
carter
it
is
about
what
mattingly
had
in
what
felix
jose
had
the
last
two
years
just
ahead
of
time
raines
five
year
average
better
than
ryan
klesko
mles
felix
jose
has
been
player
in
fairly
neutral
park
would
offhand
guess
the
bo
at
around
player
maybe
not
even
close
he
got
more
attention
from
the
media
than
was
warranted
from
his
baseball
playing
though
his
hype
was
lot
better
than
his
hitting
that
is
the
basis
for
the
net
comments
about
him
being
overrated
the
media
would
have
you
beleive
he
was
great
hitter
think
he
was
good
maybe
very
good
hitter
he
was
imo
something
like
the
th
best
hitter
in
the
majors
put
him
about
there
too
note
hadn
realized
the
media
had
hyped
him
so
much
thought
he
was
always
viewed
by
them
as
better
football
player
and
only
so
so
at
baseball
he
did
only
have
one
hr
rbi
season
and
kc
wasn
winning
note
maybe
have
harped
on
this
bit
in
the
past
but
there
is
mistake
being
made
by
the
sdcn
as
they
are
known
on
this
group
with
respect
to
players
like
bo
and
deion
and
lofton
and
perhaps
others
we
find
that
if
you
look
at
large
group
of
players
their
past
major
and
minor
league
numbers
will
predict
their
future
numbers
fairly
well
their
are
some
caveats
the
younger
they
are
the
less
good
the
prediction
the
lower
the
minor
league
the
less
good
imagine
the
more
recent
the
player
has
left
college
ball
etc
now
of
course
this
prediction
involves
quite
bit
of
error
sometimes
player
with
poor
mle
dave
justice
the
ventura
becomes
star
some
hitters
develop
shane
mack
brian
downing
some
don
oddibe
mcdowell
mickey
brantley
this
error
involves
real
things
there
are
real
reasons
why
oddibe
didn
hit
and
shane
did
it
may
who
knows
involve
parks
and
batting
coaches
and
wheaties
and
injuries
and
lifting
and
so
on
but
still
you
have
this
big
pool
of
players
and
things
work
pretty
well
one
of
the
reasons
for
these
predictions
accuracy
is
the
common
background
of
the
players
one
thing
we
know
about
professional
baseball
players
is
that
all
of
them
or
almost
all
have
spent
good
deal
of
time
playing
ball
their
backgrounds
are
similar
what
hasn
been
established
is
what
happens
when
you
encounter
player
with
different
background
is
there
some
reason
to
believe
that
bo
or
deion
or
lofton
or
tony
gwynn
or
an
ainge
or
so
on
has
such
different
background
that
the
standard
model
and
standard
assumptions
fit
this
person
slowly
it
hasn
been
established
that
you
can
use
mle
with
two
sport
players
it
hasn
been
established
that
you
can
but
then
statistics
is
after
all
an
art
personally
think
otherwise
lucid
individuals
continually
make
completely
nonsensical
statements
about
bo
and
deion
and
lofton
look
at
those
good
but
not
great
minor
league
numbers
they
say
well
what
happens
if
those
numbers
simply
don
mean
what
they
usually
mean
it
might
mean
that
ken
lofton
suddenly
has
better
year
in
houston
than
tuscon
it
might
mean
that
deion
suddenly
has
better
half
year
in
atlanta
than
greenville
then
again
it
might
not
ken
and
deion
might
go
right
back
in
the
tank
this
year
live
up
to
those
poor
mle
but
you
guys
don
know
what
worse
you
don
know
that
you
don
and
you
don
know
that
there
are
other
players
you
won
know
about
injuries
and
lifting
and
wheaties
again
you
seem
to
think
that
the
model
is
perfect
and
eternal
it
not
it
got
some
error
oh
well
bill
guilford
still
thinks
hairy
butt
is
truly
ugly
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bob
gajarsky
hobokenite
writes
ve
said
the
braves
would
improve
by
injury
as
well
here
how
javier
lopez
is
better
catcher
than
greg
olson
ryan
klasko
is
better
firstbaseman
than
bream
chipper
jones
is
better
shortstop
than
anyone
the
braves
put
out
there
mel
nieves
is
better
than
nixon
sanders
that
how
it
forces
them
to
play
the
young
guys
bob
gaj
continue
to
be
amazed
at
these
comments
while
lopez
might
some
day
be
better
catcher
than
olson
find
it
totally
amazing
for
you
to
suggest
that
this
year
old
with
three
seasons
of
professional
baseball
is
now
better
than
olson
five
year
mlb
veteran
who
is
noted
for
his
ability
to
call
game
and
who
has
better
than
average
arm
oh
perhaps
you
are
talking
about
hitting
well
sure
lopez
might
hit
better
perhaps
he
probably
will
but
has
there
ever
in
the
history
of
baseball
been
year
old
or
younger
rookie
catcher
who
compared
favorably
among
all
league
catchers
in
terms
of
defense
and
brought
bat
wasn
it
yes
ivan
rodriguez
last
year
batted
and
threw
out
of
the
baserunners
not
too
shabby
for
rookie
from
aa
years
old
last
year
sandy
alomar
who
was
supposed
to
be
that
good
in
his
rookie
year
not
wasn
it
benito
santiago
who
was
supposed
to
be
that
good
in
his
rookie
year
not
can
continue
this
thread
with
the
others
mentioned
but
you
get
the
point
you
and
others
seem
to
be
so
quick
to
dismiss
the
seasoned
veterans
in
favor
of
the
hot
young
rookies
perhaps
just
perhaps
the
management
team
of
the
pennant
winning
braves
knows
something
more
than
you
do
and
perhaps
what
they
know
is
that
very
very
few
and
year
old
rookies
come
up
to
the
majors
and
make
an
impact
the
beastmaster
mark
singer
mss
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roy
cabaniss
wait
till
tommy
meets
the
lord
and
western
kentucky
university
finds
out
that
he
wearing
pinstripes
all
opinions
contained
herein
gaylord
perry
talking
about
lasorda
are
all
mine
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that
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owner
organization
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illinois
at
urbana
lines
totally
agree
with
each
point
you
made
jose
viscaino
looked
like
single
hitter
up
there
who
swings
on
count
with
maddux
pitching
and
your
teams
down
by
run
and
you
haven
touched
the
ball
all
day
also
think
too
much
is
made
of
that
lefty
righty
thing
watching
the
cubs
games
get
the
feeling
steve
stone
knows
lot
more
about
what
the
cubs
should
be
doing
than
lefebre
does
harry
said
it
best
when
he
stated
after
another
terrible
vizcaino
at
bat
we
can
wait
til
sandberg
returns
path
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network
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todd
karlin
writes
usually
one
or
two
teams
changes
their
logo
or
minor
uniform
change
per
season
but
the
past
few
seasons
have
been
incredible
any
thoughts
on
the
new
old
reds
uniforms
remember
seeing
pete
rose
rookie
card
and
unless
miss
my
guess
he
was
wearing
the
exact
same
duds
the
mets
how
about
doc
performance
today
have
reinserted
the
mets
patch
on
the
shoulder
and
changed
the
mets
insgnia
on
the
front
of
the
jersey
to
my
knowledge
it
is
the
first
time
that
has
been
changed
since
and
it
reminds
me
little
of
the
dodger
logo
as
far
as
know
toronto
pittsburgh
and
new
york
nl
change
their
uniforms
every
year
every
other
year
new
york
it
will
say
mets
in
cursive
new
york
in
cursive
or
new
york
in
all
caps
minor
changes
but
they
do
change
them
often
last
year
think
they
had
new
york
in
all
caps
did
toronto
have
blue
jays
or
toronto
last
year
what
about
pittsburgh
many
teams
have
opted
for
return
to
previous
style
of
uniform
or
at
least
uniforms
that
look
more
traditional
phillies
reds
expos
white
sox
padres
etc
and
the
once
bright
colors
have
been
altered
to
gray
the
trend
has
also
seen
the
newer
baseball
fields
resembling
the
parks
of
the
early
years
as
opposed
to
the
cookie
cutter
saucer
stadiums
construcrted
throughout
the
sixties
hate
the
gray
they
should
opt
for
more
color
like
the
white
sox
hate
white
team
versus
gray
team
spring
training
uniforms
look
much
better
with
salaries
now
reaching
unbelievable
highs
no
one
in
the
comissioner
office
and
inter
league
play
on
the
horizon
it
nice
to
see
that
baseball
at
least
looks
like
it
was
meant
to
be
path
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driftwood
writes
totally
agree
with
each
point
you
made
jose
viscaino
looked
like
single
hitter
up
there
who
swings
on
count
with
maddux
pitching
and
your
teams
down
by
run
and
you
haven
touched
the
ball
all
day
oh
this
is
an
easy
trivia
question
the
answer
is
any
cub
not
named
sandberg
or
grace
also
think
too
much
is
made
of
that
lefty
righty
thing
watching
the
cubs
games
get
the
feeling
steve
stone
knows
lot
more
about
what
the
cubs
should
be
doing
than
lefebre
does
harry
said
it
best
when
he
stated
after
another
terrible
vizcaino
at
bat
we
can
wait
til
sandberg
returns
david
nieporent
only
one
thing
wrong
with
theory
niepornt
phoenix
is
stupid
is
stupidest
theory
ever
heard
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baltimore
orioles
who
the
dangerous
cult
the
bds
or
the
batf
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edu
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from
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robert
sapp
subject
re
billy
gets
cheers
in
baltimore
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jason
abner
miller
writes
orioles
vs
texas
at
camden
yards
april
opening
day
batting
th
for
texas
playing
second
base
billy
ripken
the
hometown
crowd
gave
their
favorite
ex
nd
baseman
minute
standing
ovation
as
billy
wearing
flashy
shades
took
the
cheers
smiling
and
waving
consummate
role
player
in
the
words
of
caller
jon
miller
tim
hulett
failed
to
receive
similar
cheers
when
announced
mainly
because
he
didn
have
the
courtesy
to
show
up
wasn
hulett
injured
yesterday
after
being
hit
in
the
face
with
ball
while
running
bases
heard
something
about
him
recieving
stiches
and
possible
broken
nose
is
he
at
the
park
fernando
was
warmly
received
good
to
see
that
let
see
how
they
feel
when
he
and
with
era
have
my
doubts
about
fernando
when
cal
was
announced
jon
miller
says
it
seems
like
yesterday
when
this
young
man
began
consecutive
game
streak
time
all
star
time
mvp
time
gold
glover
our
future
hall
of
fame
shortsop
batting
rd
cal
ripken
the
standing
lasted
about
seconds
less
than
billy
blargh
well
when
fan
favorite
gets
dumped
he
gonna
get
an
outstanding
ovation
on
his
first
return
let
add
up
the
ovations
cal
has
recieved
over
the
years
during
the
game
and
compare
that
to
billy
btw
sutcliffe
getting
knocked
around
pretty
good
rangers
up
in
the
bottom
of
the
fourth
rob
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la
locus
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from
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la
locus
com
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usui
subject
re
quick
way
to
tell
if
your
local
beat
writer
is
dumb
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id
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in
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bob
gajarsky
hobokenite
writes
anyone
who
writes
dean
palmer
has
homers
at
this
pace
he
ll
have
home
runs
should
be
shot
the
dodgers
after
one
inning
of
play
have
committed
one
error
at
this
rate
they
ll
have
errors
this
season
well
maybe
right
this
time
warren
usui
one
with
the
universe
on
scale
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to
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att
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subject
re
designated
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david
coons
writes
in
apr4
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ucs
ecgillespi
leo
bsuvc
bsu
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writes
am
doing
postition
paper
on
the
designated
hitter
rule
any
information
or
even
opinions
would
be
greatly
apprecitated
ecgillespie
magic
should
be
rescinded
the
rules
say
baseball
is
game
between
two
teams
of
nine
players
each
let
keep
it
that
way
not
any
more
the
rules
don
say
that
so
that
pretty
dumb
argument
david
nieporent
only
one
thing
wrong
with
theory
niepornt
phoenix
is
stupid
is
stupidest
theory
ever
heard
princeton
edu
baltimore
orioles
who
the
dangerous
cult
the
bds
or
the
batf
path
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ames
sun
barr
male
ebay
sun
com
jethro
corp
sun
com
exodus
eng
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com
appserv
eng
sun
com
maredsous
str
from
str
maredsous
eng
sun
com
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rader
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henderson
date
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edu
js1
isis
msstate
edu
jiann
ming
su
writes
say
buy
out
henderson
contract
and
let
him
go
bag
groceries
next
season
you
ll
be
able
to
sign
him
for
nothing
that
goes
for
any
bitching
ball
player
stay
in
school
you
have
lot
to
learn
path
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hp
com
lines
actually
there
can
be
any
number
of
players
on
side
you
can
have
man
roster
man
roster
etc
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robbins
penobscot
hall
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of
maine
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why
the
redflops
can
but
won
win
references
c50qln
dn
ulowell
ulowell
edu
lines
don
knock
vaughn
for
being
spring
training
hitter
but
regular
season
hitter
around
games
played
isn
an
indication
of
how
good
any
hitter
is
and
the
quality
of
pitching
is
way
down
ryan
robbins
penobscot
hall
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of
maine
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maine
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lines
has
david
wells
landed
with
team
yet
think
the
tigers
with
their
anemic
pitching
would
grab
this
guy
pronto
dc
path
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edu
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state
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bounce
from
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cis
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state
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state
university
dept
of
computer
and
info
science
lines
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id
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state
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in
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cc
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ns1
cc
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edu
gail
fullman
writes
wonder
if
ojeda
will
sue
anyone
because
his
career
may
be
over
not
due
to
the
accident
he
just
got
really
bad
haircut
now
if
you
meant
due
to
his
floating
fastball
well
mark
atchison
atchison
cis
ohio
state
edu
graduate
student
in
the
computer
science
dept
the
ohio
state
university
not
an
ohio
state
university
any
plagiarisms
seen
above
are
not
my
own
path
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news
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edu
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from
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tate
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pinch
hitters
was
re
denny
walling
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blue
cis
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date
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references
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cs
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edu
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news
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edu
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department
of
industrial
engineering
lines
rickert
nextwork
rose
hulman
edu
john
rickert
said
and
thought
mota
didn
really
start
pinch
hitting
for
living
until
after
depends
on
what
you
mean
by
for
living
was
the
year
he
led
the
league
in
pinch
hit
at
bats
with
but
he
been
getting
lot
of
ph
abs
earlier
than
that
and
was
never
full
time
player
ph
abs
early
in
his
career
year
just
before
going
to
the
dodgers
and
in
the
peak
years
we
re
talking
about
guy
with
year
career
as
an
outfielder
career
batting
average
and
or
so
career
hits
david
tate
do
not
know
what
it
is
about
you
that
closes
posing
as
and
opens
only
something
in
me
understands
can
the
pocket
of
your
glove
is
deeper
than
pete
rose
dy
cummings
nobody
not
even
tim
raines
has
such
soft
hands
path
cantaloupe
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news
harvard
edu
ogicse
emory
wupost
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pitt
edu
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from
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david
tate
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marlins
win
marlins
win
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news
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department
of
industrial
engineering
lines
dwarner
journalism
indiana
edu
said
only
caught
the
tail
end
of
this
one
on
espn
does
anyone
have
report
look
at
all
that
teal
bleah
maybe
it
just
me
but
the
combination
of
those
young
faces
peeking
out
from
under
oversized
aqua
helmets
screams
little
league
in
every
fibre
of
my
being
david
tate
do
not
know
what
it
is
about
you
that
closes
posing
as
and
opens
only
something
in
me
understands
can
the
pocket
of
your
glove
is
deeper
than
pete
rose
dy
cummings
nobody
not
even
tim
raines
has
such
soft
hands
path
cantaloupe
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cmu
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news
harvard
edu
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wupost
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acs
ohio
state
edu
cwamsley
from
cwamsley
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acs
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writes
as
far
as
know
toronto
pittsburgh
and
new
york
nl
change
their
uniforms
every
year
every
other
year
new
york
it
will
say
mets
in
cursive
new
york
in
cursive
or
new
york
in
all
caps
minor
changes
but
they
do
change
them
often
last
year
think
they
had
new
york
in
all
caps
did
toronto
have
blue
jays
or
toronto
last
year
what
about
pittsburgh
it
depends
on
which
uniforms
you
are
talking
about
for
the
last
couple
of
years
believe
toronto
and
pittsburgh
has
used
the
same
uniforms
or
at
least
very
similar
the
home
jerseys
had
the
team
nick
name
blue
jays
or
pirates
but
the
road
jerseys
had
the
name
of
the
city
toronto
or
pittsburgh
believe
this
is
the
way
most
teams
design
their
uniforms
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since
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those
posted
by
others
to
be
interesting
sorry
this
is
after
opening
day
certify
that
these
were
completed
before
the
first
pitch
al
east
new
york
yankees
the
most
only
improved
team
in
this
division
toronto
blue
jays
stewart
and
morris
no
way
milwaukee
brewers
they
always
seem
to
do
better
than
expect
baltimore
orioles
pitching
but
devareaux
anderson
and
hoiles
will
drop
cleveland
indians
still
don
seem
to
know
what
they
are
doing
detroit
tigers
all
key
players
but
fryman
are
another
year
past
peak
boston
red
sox
any
team
with
clemens
and
viola
might
be
beter
than
th
al
west
this
division
was
the
toughest
for
me
to
pick
whoever
of
the
top
gets
pitching
should
win
it
minnesota
twins
young
pitchers
seem
to
have
best
chance
for
success
texas
rangers
don
know
why
have
them
here
jose
canseco
chicago
white
sox
frank
thomas
but
no
pitching
oakland
larussa
is
the
best
manager
and
would
keep
any
team
close
seattle
mariners
like
pinella
but
don
see
much
here
kansas
city
royals
will
score
no
runs
california
angels
will
win
no
games
nl
east
montreal
expos
good
all
around
plus
no
wallach
st
louis
cardinals
jeffries
whiten
jose
clark
no
galarraga
pittsburgh
pirates
youngsters
will
take
up
more
slack
than
expected
new
york
mets
some
good
players
still
not
team
philadelphia
phillies
they
don
impress
me
florida
marlins
they
know
what
they
re
doing
chicago
cubs
they
don
know
what
they
re
doing
nl
west
the
best
teams
in
baseball
are
in
this
division
atlanta
braves
awesome
starters
but
offense
could
be
concern
cincinnati
reds
would
not
surprise
me
if
they
won
it
all
houston
astros
any
team
that
signs
uribe
won
contend
closer
to
than
san
diego
padres
plantier
could
be
the
sheffield
of
los
angeles
dodgers
better
pitching
than
the
giants
san
francisco
giants
because
the
rockies
just
stink
colorado
rockies
will
become
the
seattle
mariners
of
the
nl
nlcs
montreal
atlanta
braves
fans
yes
probably
contradicting
what
said
in
my
nl
west
comment
alcs
new
york
minnesota
world
series
new
york
montreal
hating
the
yankees
will
be
fashionable
again
nl
mvp
barry
bonds
or
maybe
mcgriff
nl
cy
young
jose
rijo
al
mvp
frank
thomas
will
deserve
it
again
but
fielder
might
win
it
al
cy
young
roger
clemens
at
least
will
deserve
it
again
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specificed
time
ve
seen
person
on
the
day
for
maybe
months
last
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remember
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mark
singer
said
we
know
that
very
very
few
players
at
this
age
make
much
of
an
impact
in
the
bigs
especially
when
they
haven
even
played
aaa
ball
yes
but
this
is
irrelevant
you
re
talking
about
averages
when
we
have
lots
of
information
about
this
player
in
particular
to
base
our
decisions
on
might
as
well
say
we
know
that
very
very
few
people
are
more
than
feet
tall
so
chances
are
that
manute
bol
is
really
only
foot
no
maybe
need
to
improve
my
writing
skills
lopez
who
is
very
ordinary
defensively
is
not
likely
to
hit
so
well
at
age
having
not
played
at
aaa
level
that
it
is
probably
not
good
idea
to
rush
him
into
the
braves
lineup
in
why
isn
lopez
likely
to
hit
that
well
he
hit
that
well
last
year
after
adjusting
his
stats
for
park
and
league
and
such
he
hit
better
on
an
absolute
scale
than
olson
or
berryhill
did
by
lot
as
for
rushing
if
there
really
is
qualitative
difference
between
the
minors
and
the
majors
that
requires
period
of
adjustment
and
don
believe
there
is
then
wouldn
you
rather
waste
lopez
year
old
good
season
than
his
year
old
very
good
season
or
his
year
old
excellent
season
the
sooner
you
get
him
acclimated
the
more
of
his
prime
you
get
to
use
lopez
was
hitting
over
ab
when
he
was
cut
from
spring
training
what
does
he
have
to
do
to
earn
chance
maybe
not
full
time
job
but
at
least
couple
starts
and
few
ab
for
him
to
prove
his
worth
gee
don
know
abs
sounds
pretty
good
to
me
about
as
good
as
your
reasoning
that
the
kid
should
play
back
up
role
rather
than
start
every
day
at
aaa
talk
about
me
as
gm
the
point
was
not
that
ab
is
significant
sample
but
rather
that
he
hadn
done
anything
in
spring
training
to
cause
even
blockhead
manager
to
question
whether
his
minor
league
numbers
were
for
real
or
to
send
him
down
until
he
gets
warmed
up
ok
most
players
are
not
ready
for
the
bigs
at
age
most
players
are
never
ready
for
the
bigs
what
does
this
have
to
do
with
javy
lopez
most
players
benefit
rather
than
being
stagnant
or
hurt
by
playing
at
aaa
see
above
most
catchers
need
to
be
solid
defensively
players
to
help
their
clubs
in
the
bigs
those
are
the
arguments
against
lopez
for
the
braves
for
this
year
but
could
apply
the
same
reasoning
to
frank
thomas
or
barry
bonds
most
players
aren
that
good
so
they
probably
won
be
that
good
this
year
either
now
the
braves
have
two
catchers
who
have
demonstrated
solid
abilities
to
call
games
to
work
with
the
pitchers
to
throw
out
runners
and
demonstrated
inabilities
to
hit
their
way
out
of
soap
bubble
not
superstars
mind
you
but
solid
experienced
veterans
not
superstars
not
stars
not
even
good
players
maybe
average
if
we
re
being
charitable
the
braves
have
very
solid
lineup
with
two
big
bats
in
the
outfield
an
excellent
platoon
at
first
solid
mvp
candidate
at
third
and
one
of
the
better
hitting
shortstops
ummm
justice
is
very
fine
hitter
pendleton
might
have
another
big
year
in
his
bat
but
he
might
also
spend
the
season
in
hamstring
hell
gant
is
big
question
mark
the
bream
hunter
platoon
is
decent
not
excellent
and
has
rotten
obp
or
slg
depending
on
who
in
blauser
is
very
valuable
bat
for
shortstop
the
center
field
platoon
will
probably
hit
however
good
lopez
bat
might
be
given
the
above
it
won
be
so
much
better
than
what
they
have
to
offset
the
differential
in
experience
and
defensive
ability
wanna
bet
the
difference
between
lopez
bat
and
olson
berryhill
could
be
or
runs
over
the
course
of
the
season
given
choice
between
player
with
experience
and
player
who
can
play
ll
take
the
latter
every
time
the
kid
will
improve
playing
at
aaa
just
like
keith
mitchell
did
am
just
so
surprised
have
to
spell
all
of
this
out
my
goodness
do
you
believe
the
other
poster
who
thinks
lopez
is
being
held
down
because
of
his
future
earning
potential
that
was
me
and
you
so
far
your
only
counter
proposal
is
that
they
really
don
understand
how
good
lopez
is
or
overvalue
experience
or
some
combination
of
the
two
think
my
interpretation
was
more
flattering
to
the
organization
are
they
idiots
who
have
built
this
ballclub
well
argued
but
inflammatory
reply
deleted
david
tate
do
not
know
what
it
is
about
you
that
closes
posing
as
and
opens
only
something
in
me
understands
can
the
pocket
of
your
glove
is
deeper
than
pete
rose
dy
cummings
nobody
not
even
tim
raines
has
such
soft
hands
path
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said
in
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edu
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tate
writes
well
perhaps
if
the
braves
had
no
one
else
worth
playing
this
year
it
would
be
lopez
in
there
but
they
do
have
others
worth
playing
at
least
in
their
opinion
catcher
is
their
weakest
position
with
the
possible
exception
of
second
base
they
have
chance
to
simultaneously
replace
their
biggest
offensive
problem
spot
with
well
above
average
offensive
player
and
acclimate
highly
promising
potential
star
with
no
pressure
on
him
to
carry
the
team
and
they
want
to
play
olson
and
berryhill
instead
disagree
in
that
don
think
it
is
tangible
skill
any
more
than
leadership
is
don
deny
that
it
is
real
skill
and
that
some
catchers
may
be
much
better
than
others
at
it
but
really
don
see
any
way
that
we
could
ever
know
who
they
are
nichols
law
of
catcher
defense
is
eerily
accurate
far
too
often
for
me
to
take
defensive
assessments
of
catchers
very
seriously
sorry
new
don
know
nichols
law
catcher
defensive
reputation
will
be
inversely
proportional
to
his
recent
offensive
level
of
performance
thus
mickey
tettleton
goes
in
the
media
from
being
no
hit
defensive
whiz
to
slugging
thumb
finger
in
two
short
years
the
rule
doesn
apply
to
perceived
superstars
who
get
the
gold
glove
offensive
transfer
effect
instead
greg
olson
is
probably
considered
to
be
good
defensive
catcher
precisely
because
he
can
hit
don
believe
in
catchers
era
but
am
interested
in
pitchers
eras
with
different
catchers
aren
they
the
same
thing
in
other
words
we
know
more
than
they
do
so
the
only
logic
behind
different
decision
than
we
would
make
must
be
financial
either
that
or
just
stupidity
presume
we
feel
this
way
about
other
franchises
than
atlanta
no
of
course
is
it
fair
to
the
young
players
no
does
it
make
organizational
sense
think
it
does
well
if
it
does
make
organizational
sense
one
can
hardly
fault
them
for
their
decisions
mean
please
don
tell
me
how
to
run
my
business
especially
when
being
successful
one
could
make
the
same
sort
of
argument
in
other
cases
pete
rose
in
pursuing
ty
cobb
record
was
huge
gate
attraction
and
national
media
magnet
the
reds
made
lot
of
money
off
that
they
also
wasted
the
prime
of
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may
be
good
business
but
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doesn
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don
loathe
them
for
it
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tate
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not
know
what
it
is
about
you
that
closes
posing
as
and
opens
only
something
in
me
understands
can
the
pocket
of
your
glove
is
deeper
than
pete
rose
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not
even
tim
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hands
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maddux
looked
excellent
as
the
braves
shutout
the
cubs
justice
drove
in
the
only
run
with
an
rbi
single
in
the
first
get
ready
for
him
to
have
monster
year
he
is
now
hitting
the
ball
to
the
opposite
field
with
lot
of
power
to
go
with
his
natural
power
to
right
field
and
his
good
batting
eye
if
he
stays
healthy
which
he
should
his
back
is
full
strength
this
year
he
should
get
over
rbi
and
close
to
hr
in
another
note
the
marlins
got
off
to
good
start
beating
the
dodgers
believe
the
score
was
but
not
sure
wish
them
and
the
rockies
well
this
year
hell
think
it
would
be
funny
to
watch
the
dodgers
hit
the
cellar
again
this
year
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smith
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in
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maredsous
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todd
rader
writes
stay
in
school
you
have
lot
to
learn
learn
what
know
that
million
dollars
is
lot
of
money
know
rickey
henderson
doesn
have
career
out
of
baseball
know
if
he
didn
have
baseball
he
wouldn
be
making
near
the
money
he
is
now
and
michael
jackson
jack
nicholson
and
bill
cosby
wouldn
be
making
near
as
much
money
if
they
weren
entertainers
so
what
your
point
just
don
understand
how
some
athlete
who
only
plays
sport
for
living
for
millions
of
dollars
say
he
is
not
being
paid
enough
if
nobody
will
sign
him
for
his
asking
price
he
will
be
the
one
hurting
the
will
still
win
without
him
will
they
you
can
usually
take
away
one
of
the
team
best
players
and
still
expect
them
to
win
or
do
you
think
the
pirates
will
continue
to
win
without
barry
bonds
remeber
many
of
these
athletes
have
nothing
if
not
for
their
athletic
ability
nothing
they
are
getting
paid
much
more
than
most
hard
working
citizens
and
they
are
complaining
of
not
enough
pay
so
again
jack
nicholson
gets
paid
much
more
than
most
hard
working
citizens
and
much
more
than
rickey
henderson
for
that
matter
don
have
problem
with
them
making
millions
my
problem
is
when
the
say
they
aren
being
paid
enough
when
they
already
get
million
also
their
numbers
get
worse
the
reason
the
latter
often
happens
is
that
many
of
these
folks
start
making
the
real
big
salaries
late
in
their
career
when
they
are
on
the
decline
there
are
exceptions
of
course
dave
parker
fell
apart
after
making
his
first
million
because
he
put
most
of
that
million
up
his
nose
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mann
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gang
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subscribe
to
the
white
sox
mailing
list
if
one
exists
can
someone
please
mail
me
the
address
thanks
alot
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towards
the
more
classic
style
of
uniform
and
disagree
with
the
person
who
wants
return
to
the
non
gray
road
uniforms
it
should
be
remembered
that
one
of
the
if
not
the
reason
for
the
redesigning
of
uniforms
especially
hats
re
the
new
road
all
green
caps
and
the
cardinal
navy
blue
road
cap
is
the
marketing
money
to
be
made
in
sales
of
new
merchandise
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for
the
address
to
join
the
cleveland
sports
mailing
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if
anyone
knows
it
would
be
greatful
if
they
could
email
copy
of
it
to
me
if
you
are
member
just
mail
me
one
of
the
list
letters
could
probably
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it
out
from
there
thanks
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fffff
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pfan
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lib
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writes
for
those
of
you
who
know
who
bernie
brewer
is
he
back
the
team
mascot
if
you
will
was
given
his
walking
papers
few
years
ago
but
the
fans
voted
him
back
last
season
and
he
will
be
perched
in
the
his
familiar
home
in
the
outfield
and
will
again
slide
down
into
barrel
of
beer
when
home
runs
are
hit
that
is
great
to
hear
just
may
have
to
take
raod
trip
to
milwakee
this
year
and
see
that
again
last
time
saw
bernie
brewer
was
at
the
age
of
and
am
now
thanks
for
this
post
one
final
note
bill
spiers
is
leading
the
brewers
with
rbi
in
exhibition
play
looks
like
he
bouncing
back
nicely
from
back
problems
good
to
bill
is
getting
better
form
the
limited
coverage
we
get
here
in
iowa
know
that
this
will
be
great
season
for
the
brew
crew
pete
fanning
computer
operator
leadership
is
action
office
of
information
technology
not
position
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area
technical
college
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email
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or
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fanning
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edu
io21087
maine
maine
edu
writes
being
baseball
fan
and
fan
of
the
above
mentioned
band
was
wondering
if
anyone
could
clue
me
in
on
whether
the
dead
or
members
of
sang
the
national
anthem
at
todays
giant
opener
would
imagine
that
it
is
bit
too
early
for
anyone
to
know
but
an
answer
would
be
greatly
appreciated
it
is
my
understanding
that
the
dead
will
sing
the
na
at
the
giants
home
opener
on
mon
the
giants
are
opening
today
in
st
louis
luigi
randy
palermo
luigi
csd
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com
fax
silicon
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kbanaian
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derich
netcom
com
scotty
tissue
writes
whenever
person
is
put
on
the
day
day
or
day
the
person
is
on
the
list
longer
than
the
specificed
time
ve
seen
person
on
the
day
for
maybe
months
last
year
don
remember
what
just
need
little
clarification
on
the
disabled
list
specifications
believe
we
are
down
to
two
the
day
and
the
day
don
remember
day
but
rather
day
anyways
it
gone
now
the
period
length
is
minimum
not
maximum
you
can
keep
guy
on
the
day
for
as
long
as
you
want
if
he
still
certified
as
injured
the
player
must
be
periodically
re
evaluated
to
determine
if
he
still
injured
thus
you
cannot
park
player
on
the
dl
who
maybe
is
out
of
options
and
you
do
not
wish
to
expose
to
waivers
if
you
get
someone
qualified
for
the
day
that
reduces
the
frequency
of
re
evaluations
there
is
no
longer
believe
any
limit
to
the
number
of
players
you
can
place
on
the
dl
when
there
was
you
often
had
to
choose
and
juggle
your
injured
players
between
the
lists
king
sparky
banaian
no
taxes
no
new
taxes
kbanaian
pitzer
claremont
edu
no
old
taxes
we
are
taxed
dept
of
economics
pitzer
college
enough
rep
alan
keyes
latest
gdp
forecast
please
run
alan
path
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cc
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jiann
ming
su
writes
does
any
know
if
mo
sanford
rockies
pitcher
got
cut
he
use
to
be
with
the
reds
but
was
drafted
in
the
expansion
draft
believe
he
was
sent
down
to
aaa
path
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my
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for
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references
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pennsylvania
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of
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oswego
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kevin
mundstock
writes
since
everyone
else
seems
to
be
running
wild
with
predictions
ve
decided
to
add
my
own
fuel
to
the
fire
they
might
seem
bit
normal
but
there
are
few
albeit
small
surprises
al
manager
of
the
year
buck
showalter
what
makes
you
think
buck
will
still
be
in
new
york
at
year
end
with
george
back
keith
keller
let
go
rangers
let
go
quakers
kkeller
mail
sas
upenn
edu
ivy
league
champs
next
time
you
go
over
my
head
ll
have
yours
on
platter
cmdr
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sisko
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acc
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edu
writes
while
enjoy
the
trend
towards
the
more
classic
style
of
uniform
and
disagree
with
the
person
who
wants
return
to
the
non
gray
road
uniforms
it
should
be
remembered
that
one
of
the
if
not
the
reason
for
the
redesigning
of
uniforms
especially
hats
re
the
new
road
all
green
caps
and
the
cardinal
navy
blue
road
cap
is
the
marketing
money
to
be
made
in
sales
of
new
merchandise
no
kidding
just
ask
the
white
sox
too
bad
really
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richard
casares
writes
in
article
apr5
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ucs
bjgood
leo
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writes
just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
have
lost
what
little
respect
have
for
jim
lefebvre
after
seeing
today
cubs
game
dishard
cub
fan
yes
also
wonder
if
they
can
win
with
this
manager
never
believed
managers
had
that
much
to
do
with
winning
until
saw
how
much
they
had
to
do
with
losing
like
the
mariners
lot
but
my
heart
belongs
to
the
cubs
you
can
imagine
my
frustration
when
saw
the
cubs
nabbing
lefebvre
arhgghrghh
john
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tate
writes
dwarner
journalism
indiana
edu
said
only
caught
the
tail
end
of
this
one
on
espn
does
anyone
have
report
look
at
all
that
teal
bleah
maybe
it
just
me
but
the
combination
of
those
young
faces
peeking
out
from
under
oversized
aqua
helmets
screams
little
league
in
every
fibre
of
my
being
hmm
it
seems
the
little
leaguers
didn
do
too
badly
against
hershiser
strawberry
davis
and
the
rest
of
the
dodgers
yesterday
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smith
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writes
watching
cubs
rockies
spring
training
game
and
thought
you
all
like
to
know
the
particular
way
that
harry
caray
butchers
maldonado
it
seems
to
be
mal
dal
nado
but
like
the
way
he
butchers
andres
galarraga
name
it
comes
out
like
gahlah
rrrraggggah
and
don
forget
his
frequent
references
to
the
great
sf
giant
star
bobby
bonds
what
about
thaaammy
thotha
for
one
was
really
sorry
to
hear
that
the
cubs
had
sent
heathcliff
slocumb
to
the
minors
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smith
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tate
writes
mss
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mark
singer
said
we
know
that
very
very
few
players
at
this
age
make
much
of
an
impact
in
the
bigs
especially
when
they
haven
even
played
aaa
ball
yes
but
this
is
irrelevant
you
re
talking
about
averages
when
we
have
lots
of
information
about
this
player
in
particular
to
base
our
decisions
on
do
you
really
have
that
much
information
on
him
really
why
isn
lopez
likely
to
hit
that
well
he
hit
that
well
last
year
after
adjusting
his
stats
for
park
and
league
and
such
he
hit
better
on
an
absolute
scale
than
olson
or
berryhill
did
by
lot
don
know
you
tell
me
what
percentage
of
players
reach
or
exceed
their
mle
in
their
rookie
season
we
re
talking
about
you
know
as
for
rushing
if
there
really
is
qualitative
difference
between
the
minors
and
the
majors
that
requires
period
of
adjustment
and
don
believe
there
is
then
wouldn
you
rather
waste
lopez
year
old
good
season
than
his
year
old
very
good
season
or
his
year
old
excellent
season
the
sooner
you
get
him
acclimated
the
more
of
his
prime
you
get
to
use
if
that
were
your
purpose
maybe
offerman
spent
getting
acclimated
if
you
will
the
dodgers
as
team
paid
big
price
that
season
perhaps
they
will
reap
the
benefits
down
the
road
do
you
really
think
they
would
have
done
what
they
did
if
they
were
competing
for
pennant
lopez
was
hitting
over
ab
when
he
was
cut
from
spring
training
what
does
he
have
to
do
to
earn
chance
maybe
not
full
time
job
but
at
least
couple
starts
and
few
ab
for
him
to
prove
his
worth
the
point
was
not
that
ab
is
significant
sample
but
rather
that
he
hadn
done
anything
in
spring
training
to
cause
even
blockhead
manager
to
question
whether
his
minor
league
numbers
were
for
real
or
to
send
him
down
until
he
gets
warmed
up
for
stat
head
amazed
that
you
put
any
credence
in
spring
training
did
you
notice
who
he
got
those
hits
off
of
or
are
you
going
to
tell
me
that
it
doesn
make
difference
the
kid
will
improve
playing
at
aaa
just
like
keith
mitchell
did
wait
minute
missed
something
here
first
forget
keith
mitchell
are
you
saying
that
kid
who
moves
from
aa
to
aaa
and
then
does
not
improve
would
have
been
better
off
making
direct
leap
to
the
majors
if
player
does
well
at
aa
and
then
does
not
improve
at
aaa
isn
that
sign
that
maybe
he
doesn
belong
in
the
bigs
now
keith
mitchell
as
recall
no
stat
books
handy
surprise
he
jumped
from
aa
to
atlanta
in
he
did
so
well
that
he
was
returned
to
the
minors
where
he
didn
do
very
well
at
all
now
his
career
is
in
jeopardy
so
how
does
he
fit
in
with
your
point
good
mle
in
aa
moved
him
right
to
the
big
club
now
he
one
step
away
from
being
traded
or
moved
out
of
baseball
duh
that
was
me
and
you
so
far
your
only
counter
proposal
is
that
they
really
don
understand
how
good
lopez
is
or
overvalue
experience
or
some
combination
of
the
two
think
my
interpretation
was
more
flattering
to
the
organization
well
ve
cast
my
lot
certainly
you
may
understand
better
how
good
lopez
is
and
may
overvalue
experience
but
neither
one
of
us
runs
baseball
team
the
beastmaster
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cs106116
writes
hey
was
watching
the
orioles
game
on
tv
yesterday
monday
when
report
came
in
to
the
booth
that
the
first
runs
came
in
on
three
run
single
did
this
really
happen
if
it
did
how
they
said
that
the
leadoff
man
knocked
them
in
what
exactly
happened
thanks
walt
weiss
tripled
just
barely
inside
the
right
field
line
and
into
the
corner
driving
in
santiago
and
conine
these
were
the
first
two
rbis
the
third
came
later
when
weiss
was
knocked
in
daniel
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roush
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picks
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only
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comment
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in
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jackie
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paul
galvanek
writes
national
league
west
cincinnati
houston
atlanta
argh
here
is
where
you
are
obviously
dead
wrong
not
since
the
yankees
of
the
and
has
team
been
so
nicely
setup
as
this
years
and
years
to
come
braves
don
think
that
the
all
star
team
will
be
able
to
beat
this
may
be
an
appropriate
comparison
the
yankees
finshed
nd
rd
and
nd
finshing
and
games
out
of
first
in
and
they
also
finished
second
though
they
were
only
and
games
out
even
great
teams
can
lose
that
why
they
play
the
season
on
the
other
hand
still
picking
the
braves
to
go
all
the
way
um
surely
you
didn
intend
to
compare
the
reds
with
the
philidelphia
the
yankees
were
finishing
nd
to
team
that
was
as
good
as
the
yankees
while
the
yankees
had
aged
some
from
their
peak
years
ruth
and
gehrig
couldn
play
every
position
simultaneously
imo
given
the
various
ages
of
the
braves
and
reds
this
season
that
the
braves
will
be
closer
to
their
peak
while
the
reds
have
slightly
passed
their
peak
also
if
you
re
going
to
compare
braves
and
yankees
more
appropriate
comparison
to
the
braves
might
be
the
yankees
after
falling
short
two
years
in
row
in
exciting
world
series
both
teams
won
will
win
the
series
this
year
despite
the
heroics
of
some
old
fart
on
the
other
team
casey
stengel
dave
winfield
eric
roush
fierkelab
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biochem
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am
marxist
of
the
groucho
sort
grafitti
paris
tanstaafl
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la
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usui
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in
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bob
gajarsky
hobokenite
writes
anyone
who
writes
dean
palmer
has
homers
at
this
pace
he
ll
have
home
runs
should
be
shot
now
on
the
other
hand
juan
gonzales
probably
does
have
shot
at
hr
the
dodgers
after
one
inning
of
play
have
committed
one
error
at
this
rate
they
ll
have
errors
this
season
well
maybe
right
this
time
actually
you
might
be
underpredicting
eric
roush
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home
of
the
brave
lines
my
god
hope
we
don
have
to
put
up
with
this
kind
of
junk
all
season
in
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axe
acadiau
ca
axe
acadiau
ca
jason
walter
works
writes
the
yankees
are
now
one
game
closer
to
the
east
pennant
they
clobbered
cleveland
on
fine
pitching
performance
by
key
and
two
homeruns
by
tartabull
first
baseball
to
go
out
this
season
and
three
how
many
home
runs
by
tartabull
just
right
you
must
be
thinking
of
dean
palmer
or
juan
gonzalez
both
of
texas
who
each
had
homers
run
homer
by
nokes
for
all
of
you
who
didn
pick
boggs
in
your
pools
tough
break
he
had
couple
hits
and
drove
in
couple
runs
with
many
more
don
know
how
many
to
follow
but
he
was
for
go
yanks
mattingly
for
glove
and
mvp
and
abbot
for
cy
young
spare
us
please
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team
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is
any
indication
of
the
future
the
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are
in
dire
trouble
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to
the
san
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sharks
for
proof
but
have
hope
for
the
marlins
was
sometime
member
of
the
rene
lachemann
fan
club
at
the
oakland
coliseum
and
have
deep
respect
for
the
guy
he
gem
and
of
course
walt
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that
franchise
class
but
yeah
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those
uniforms
was
guilty
of
paucity
of
style
and
imagination
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mark
singer
writes
your
speculation
and
others
that
lopez
will
produce
better
than
the
two
proven
veterans
is
nothing
more
than
speculation
no
matter
how
well
founded
your
speculation
that
the
two
proven
veterans
will
produce
better
than
lopez
is
also
no
more
than
speculation
it
does
make
difference
whether
the
speculation
is
well
founded
or
not
obviously
the
braves
believe
they
can
win
with
the
catching
they
have
and
agree
if
they
change
their
minds
they
ll
call
up
lopez
though
this
is
good
point
the
one
speculation
is
safer
because
it
can
be
reversed
cheers
valentine
path
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the
regular
season
of
the
davis
tabletop
baseball
league
has
just
come
to
an
end
to
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us
with
next
year
league
would
appreciate
it
if
you
would
take
couple
of
minutes
and
vote
for
our
league
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and
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and
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will
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next
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please
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each
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gets
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candidate
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one
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some
players
missed
time
due
to
injuries
others
were
sat
down
at
the
end
to
avoid
the
possibility
of
injury
there
are
better
players
than
those
on
this
list
but
each
team
gets
one
and
only
one
candidate
some
players
played
more
than
games
due
to
being
traded
to
teams
with
more
games
left
in
the
same
time
span
now
on
to
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pitchers
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you
have
it
curt
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threw
perfect
game
during
the
year
and
ken
hill
threw
no
hitter
rob
dibble
had
pitched
scoreless
innings
to
start
the
year
only
to
choke
in
the
last
two
games
to
cost
the
perot
giant
sucking
sounds
playoff
spot
if
you
want
stats
of
more
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are
available
by
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more
than
huge
existence
of
parallel
sig
it
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quoting
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to
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or
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ones
and
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since
was
the
one
responsible
for
these
divergent
threads
of
approx
posts
going
back
to
the
braves
could
be
better
off
if
an
injury
happens
may
as
well
inject
little
more
fuel
to
the
flame
back
at
the
beginning
of
spring
training
though
lopez
would
make
the
squad
easily
olson
was
still
recovering
from
his
late
season
injury
knee
believe
and
there
were
questions
as
to
whether
he
would
be
able
to
play
before
june
and
then
berryhill
was
dinged
up
was
looking
forward
to
this
because
believe
that
lopez
can
hit
and
field
the
position
before
last
season
he
was
the
braves
defensive
catcher
prospect
while
brian
deak
was
the
braves
offensive
catcher
prospect
besides
olson
and
berryhill
couldn
hit
their
way
out
of
wet
cardboard
box
and
don
walk
enough
to
be
useful
but
olson
recovered
quickly
berryhill
recovered
and
the
braves
went
with
the
two
vets
still
say
that
if
one
of
those
two
had
been
down
at
the
start
of
the
season
he
wouldn
have
gotten
his
job
back
there
is
certain
logic
to
keeping
olson
and
berryhill
around
after
all
ml
catchers
are
in
short
supply
and
suffer
from
wear
and
tear
there
are
teams
out
there
without
one
average
ml
catcher
california
and
seattle
come
to
mind
certainly
trying
to
move
olson
or
berryhill
through
waivers
would
be
unlikely
to
work
plus
you
have
to
eat
that
salary
which
isn
huge
but
isn
tiddleywinks
either
think
olson
at
about
berryhill
at
but
that
only
what
recall
yes
think
arbitration
eligibility
may
have
role
to
play
in
this
also
what
is
it
that
of
the
year
players
aren
eligible
for
arbitration
only
the
that
were
on
the
roster
the
longest
are
eligible
of
course
the
system
may
change
but
the
extent
of
that
change
is
not
yet
known
from
business
standpoint
it
may
make
sense
to
keep
lopez
down
until
june
the
first
time
olson
berryhill
go
on
the
dl
am
still
disappointed
that
lopez
isn
on
the
team
still
prefer
to
think
of
myself
as
fan
when
it
comes
to
the
braves
and
the
truth
is
that
rather
see
our
best
team
on
the
field
which
imo
includes
lopez
of
course
today
we
play
the
cubs
hopefully
we
won
need
him
as
for
the
schuerholz
cox
conversation
imagine
it
went
like
this
remember
they
ve
both
been
gm
the
following
is
not
meant
to
be
read
by
the
humor
impaired
cox
ok
we
ve
sent
jones
down
his
fielding
could
be
little
smoother
besides
blauser
can
hit
ok
and
his
fielding
is
better
than
it
used
to
be
schuerholz
well
we
ll
have
to
send
nieves
down
too
deion
just
won
sign
that
baseball
only
contract
we
can
count
on
him
in
october
so
we
have
to
keep
nixon
around
for
the
defense
besides
gorman
not
ready
to
give
up
on
billy
hatcher
yet
once
hatcher
gone
and
deion
signs
we
can
move
nixon
for
frankie
rodriguez
that
ought
to
give
us
some
pitching
depth
in
cox
yep
that
ll
be
nice
too
bad
deion
won
sign
ok
ll
look
for
nieves
when
justice
starts
having
berry
berry
er
back
problems
again
now
what
about
klesko
schuerholz
well
we
ve
still
got
to
fork
out
another
mil
for
bream
if
we
keep
klesko
we
either
lose
the
money
or
cabrera
keep
dangling
sid
in
front
of
dal
maxwell
but
somehow
he
doesn
seem
to
be
the
same
gm
first
jeffries
for
jose
and
now
whiten
for
clark
if
he
gets
rid
of
brian
jordan
then
have
to
believe
that
he
and
whitey
herzog
switched
bodies
at
the
winter
meetings
cox
ok
keep
trying
on
bream
and
ll
wait
til
the
trading
deadline
for
my
hunter
klesko
platoon
maybe
can
get
few
extra
at
bats
for
cabrera
while
we
wait
try
california
if
snow
starts
slowly
maybe
whiteydal
will
bite
on
sid
and
if
that
doesn
work
then
perhaps
sid
knees
could
be
persuaded
to
act
up
there
always
the
day
dl
mwa
ha
ha
ha
ha
schuerholz
what
about
caraballo
cox
well
he
not
that
much
better
than
lemke
maybe
if
he
starts
in
richmond
he
ll
start
walking
more
besides
if
he
going
to
be
arbitration
eligible
better
to
stretch
him
out
so
that
we
actually
get
some
value
from
him
before
he
makes
the
big
bucks
schuerholz
now
let
see
that
leaves
lopez
cox
nooooo
gotta
keep
lopez
sure
didn
think
olson
would
recover
this
quickly
maybe
can
talk
caminiti
into
running
into
him
again
schuerholz
nope
lopez
has
gotta
go
you
know
that
he
ll
get
million
in
arbitration
may
as
well
put
it
off
that
one
extra
year
besides
until
olson
shown
his
stuff
little
bit
can
trade
him
besides
berryhill
left
handed
hitter
you
know
how
rare
that
is
cox
don
you
mean
left
handed
whiffer
pretty
common
if
you
ask
me
mean
he
made
pat
borders
look
good
in
the
world
series
pat
borders
schuerholz
hey
you
re
the
one
who
wouldn
write
lopez
into
the
lineup
cox
well
you
re
the
one
who
went
out
and
got
me
jeff
reardon
besides
thought
lopez
wouldn
be
used
to
our
pitching
staff
stuff
he
got
some
time
with
them
this
spring
looked
pretty
good
come
on
surely
we
only
need
to
keep
one
stiff
behind
the
plate
schuerholz
yeah
but
which
stiff
whichever
one
we
keep
will
be
hurt
by
may
cox
ok
ok
you
made
your
point
keep
them
both
surely
one
of
them
will
be
on
the
dl
by
june
at
the
latest
then
can
call
up
lopez
and
then
we
can
win
games
the
pennant
the
world
series
ll
be
up
there
with
john
mcgraw
casey
stengel
earl
weaver
oh
they
laughed
at
me
in
toronto
but
have
you
ever
had
to
deal
with
george
bell
ll
finally
get
my
just
reward
mwa
ha
ha
ha
schuerholz
easy
bobby
have
you
been
taking
those
happy
pills
left
around
by
chuck
tanner
why
you
ever
hire
that
guy
anyhow
cox
don
ask
me
ask
ted
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roush
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writes
even
less
publicized
than
this
however
was
that
the
didn
come
from
the
padres
but
from
an
un
named
source
and
that
the
money
didn
go
to
the
blue
jays
in
toronto
the
money
was
diverted
into
london
bank
account
owned
by
shadowy
character
named
vincent
gray
should
be
so
lucky
the
account
number
must
have
been
rejected
oh
come
on
everybody
on
the
net
has
heard
about
plausible
deniability
you
re
not
fooling
anybody
soon
after
that
gray
and
palmer
sent
word
to
ottawa
that
canada
had
achieved
absolute
superiority
over
the
united
states
in
the
field
of
baseballistic
research
as
she
controlled
both
the
acker
cook
pitch
alike
contest
and
the
binaca
blast
research
institute
the
prime
minister
smiled
hope
not
to
think
that
would
inadvertantly
give
any
pleasure
to
mulroney
really
ruins
my
day
note
how
quick
vince
was
to
make
the
inference
that
my
post
claimed
that
mulroney
was
smiling
at
the
baseballistics
news
this
sure
looks
like
guilty
knowledge
to
me
realizing
the
taterific
importance
of
this
work
john
palmer
and
concluded
that
we
might
be
able
to
pool
some
resources
the
grand
who
will
be
the
stars
this
year
can
anyone
hope
to
combat
brad
arnsberg
record
start
to
last
year
the
early
money
has
to
be
on
tom
tom
bolton
who
contributed
that
clutch
grandslam
in
his
first
appearance
but
expect
lots
of
strong
contenders
this
year
many
of
them
right
here
in
san
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university
of
denver
dept
of
math
comp
sci
lines
ve
noticed
that
is
has
become
fashionable
lately
in
rsb
to
predict
the
marlines
to
finish
ahead
of
the
cubs
how
first
base
grace
vs
destrade
could
destrade
be
the
second
coming
of
cecil
fielder
doubt
it
if
destrade
performs
to
the
height
of
expectations
then
even
otherwise
edge
to
cubs
second
base
sandberg
vs
barberie
no
contest
sandberg
will
be
back
may
edge
to
cubs
big
edge
shortstop
vizcaino
vs
weiss
vizcaino
is
excellent
defensively
but
is
an
automatic
out
at
bat
weiss
isn
much
better
with
the
stick
even
third
base
dave
magadan
vs
buechelle
magadan
has
higher
obp
and
is
better
hitter
buechelle
has
more
power
and
is
better
defensively
think
edge
to
florida
catcher
santiago
vs
wilkins
wilkins
is
ok
but
santiago
is
better
edge
to
marlins
left
field
conine
vs
maldonado
wow
for
yesterday
know
conine
has
potential
watched
him
play
at
omaha
the
last
couple
years
until
he
actually
proves
himself
give
maldonado
the
edge
however
like
at
this
is
position
where
florida
might
be
even
or
better
if
the
player
there
has
huge
year
center
scott
pose
vs
wilson
may
edge
to
may
even
if
wilson
hopefully
the
cubs
will
use
may
and
save
wilson
for
pinch
running
and
the
like
may
isn
ken
griffey
jr
but
he
will
hit
with
homers
if
he
plays
full
time
right
felix
vs
sosa
felix
jose
has
occasional
power
and
bad
obp
so
does
sosa
but
sosa
also
has
speed
and
good
glove
edge
to
cubs
starters
aquino
armstrong
hammond
lot
of
fifth
starters
here
the
cubs
won
remind
anyone
of
the
brave
staff
but
morgan
castillo
guzman
hibbard
is
average
to
ok
better
than
the
marline
edge
to
cubs
middle
relief
even
the
cubs
have
some
decent
middlemen
and
so
do
the
marlins
carpenter
anf
klink
or
decent
but
so
are
assenmacher
and
mcelroy
closer
healthy
harvey
is
big
edge
to
the
marlins
meyers
is
decent
but
no
harvey
of
course
the
cubs
may
have
few
more
games
to
save
look
for
saves
blown
from
meyers
and
saves
blown
with
better
era
for
harvey
edge
florida
overall
an
edge
to
chicago
neither
of
these
teams
will
threaten
to
win
anything
of
course
msilverm
nyx
cs
du
edu
go
cubs
one
likes
to
believe
in
the
freedom
of
baseball
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parker
writes
have
bet
with
my
buddy
on
when
the
dodgers
moved
from
ny
to
la
does
anyone
know
what
year
they
moved
the
dodgers
first
year
in
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writes
of
all
teams
believe
the
cubs
have
the
best
record
ever
in
baseball
sometime
way
far
back
and
something
think
it
was
the
cleveland
indians
with
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kenney
tribe
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writes
thought
post
my
predicted
standings
since
find
those
posted
by
others
to
be
interesting
sorry
this
is
after
opening
day
certify
that
these
were
completed
before
the
first
pitch
nl
west
the
best
teams
in
baseball
are
in
this
division
atlanta
braves
awesome
starters
but
offense
could
be
concern
cincinnati
reds
would
not
surprise
me
if
they
won
it
all
houston
astros
any
team
that
signs
uribe
won
contend
closer
to
than
san
diego
padres
plantier
could
be
the
sheffield
of
los
angeles
dodgers
better
pitching
than
the
giants
san
francisco
giants
because
the
rockies
just
stink
colorado
rockies
will
become
the
seattle
mariners
of
the
nl
nlcs
montreal
atlanta
braves
fans
yes
probably
contradicting
what
said
in
my
nl
west
comment
alcs
new
york
minnesota
world
series
new
york
montreal
hating
the
yankees
will
be
fashionable
again
nl
mvp
barry
bonds
or
maybe
mcgriff
guarantee
that
if
bonds
wins
the
mvp
the
giants
will
finish
higher
than
th
luigi
randy
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luigi
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the
only
person
who
thinks
the
reds
sleeveless
uniforms
are
ugly
yet
another
reason
why
they
won
win
the
nl
west
eric
roush
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marxist
of
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groucho
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paris
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subject
joe
robbie
stadium
not
for
baseball
date
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did
anyone
notice
the
words
not
for
baseball
printed
on
the
picture
of
joe
robbie
stadium
in
the
opening
day
season
preview
section
in
usa
today
any
reason
given
for
this
would
assume
that
the
words
saw
the
picture
indicated
that
those
seats
will
not
be
available
for
baseball
games
if
you
look
at
the
picture
of
the
diamond
in
the
stadium
in
relation
to
the
areas
marked
not
for
baseball
those
seats
just
look
terrible
for
watching
baseball
now
if
they
should
happen
to
reach
the
post
season
would
imagine
that
they
would
consider
opening
some
of
those
seats
up
but
that
is
surely
worry
of
the
future
sam
lubchansky
spl2
po
cwru
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in
the
champion
people
see
what
they
like
to
be
in
the
loser
they
see
what
they
actually
are
and
they
treat
him
with
scorn
sugary
condiments
secure
initial
pleasure
but
fermented
grain
is
decidedly
more
parsimonious
of
time
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aj
corning
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writes
speaking
of
the
marlins
winning
the
opener
based
on
lifetime
percentage
of
games
won
who
has
the
second
best
record
in
baseball
history
soon
to
be
the
best
record
again
if
had
to
guess
would
be
forced
to
say
the
yankees
on
the
other
hand
the
blue
jays
might
be
up
there
too
hmmmmm
tony
blue
jays
no
way
hell
but
the
yankees
probably
do
remember
the
yankees
had
the
best
record
of
any
team
in
the
and
probably
take
the
through
as
well
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jason
walter
works
writes
the
yankees
are
now
one
game
closer
to
the
east
pennant
they
clobbered
cleveland
on
fine
pitching
performance
by
key
and
two
homeruns
by
tartabull
first
baseball
to
go
out
this
season
and
three
run
homer
by
nokes
for
all
of
you
who
didn
pick
boggs
in
your
pools
tough
break
he
had
couple
hits
and
drove
in
couple
runs
with
many
more
to
follow
the
yanks
beat
an
up
and
coming
team
of
youngsters
in
the
indians
the
yankees
only
need
to
win
more
games
to
get
the
division
go
yanks
mattingly
for
glove
and
mvp
and
abbot
for
cy
young
jason
jason
am
going
to
yankee
game
wed
night
at
cleveland
stadium
am
so
happy
but
cleveland
is
very
bad
team
who
lost
severalrs
they
were
an
up
and
coming
team
now
they
are
just
sad
excuse
for
better
average
abbot
will
not
win
the
cy
melido
perez
will
as
bold
prediction
as
they
come
well
herot
be
in
last
place
by
the
end
of
the
season
mike
lurie
speaks
and
the
world
listens
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you
realize
that
the
yankees
are
paying
matt
nokes
dollars
this
year
geesh
and
maas
only
gets
by
the
way
the
yankees
are
going
to
win
it
all
yankees
are
the
best
by
the
way
jt
snow
an
ex
yankee
will
be
rookie
of
the
year
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kevin
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writes
did
anyone
notice
the
words
not
for
baseball
printed
on
the
picture
of
joe
robbie
stadium
in
the
opening
day
season
preview
section
in
usa
today
any
reason
given
for
this
yes
and
the
answer
is
simple
to
create
better
feeling
in
the
park
the
seats
will
be
folded
back
for
baseball
games
where
you
saw
those
words
path
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how
many
runs
will
be
scored
in
denver
don
know
but
some
idea
can
be
gotten
by
looking
at
the
runs
scored
in
mile
high
stadium
during
the
last
few
years
of
the
bears
zephyrs
tenure
in
the
american
association
here
the
total
runs
scored
per
game
in
zephyrs
games
all
league
games
and
the
ratio
found
the
same
ratios
for
hr
year
rpg
lea
ratio
hrpg
lea
ratio
it
seems
pretty
clear
that
denver
will
have
large
effect
on
runs
scored
ll
stick
with
my
prediction
from
last
year
that
it
ll
be
one
of
the
top
in
the
nl
this
year
and
fairly
large
effect
on
homeruns
though
apparently
not
as
large
as
atlanta
wrigley
cincinnati
and
san
diego
still
it
ought
to
be
pretty
decent
home
run
park
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league
west
cincinnati
houston
atlanta
argh
here
is
where
you
are
obviously
dead
wrong
not
since
the
yankees
of
the
and
has
team
been
so
nicely
setup
as
this
years
and
years
to
come
braves
don
think
that
the
all
star
team
will
be
able
this
may
be
an
appropriate
comparison
the
yankees
finshed
nd
rd
and
nd
finshing
and
games
out
of
first
in
and
they
also
finished
second
though
they
were
only
and
games
out
even
great
teams
can
lose
that
why
they
play
the
season
on
the
other
hand
still
picking
the
braves
to
go
all
the
way
um
surely
you
didn
intend
to
compare
the
reds
with
the
philidelphia
the
yankees
were
finishing
nd
to
team
that
was
as
good
as
the
yankees
while
the
yankees
had
aged
some
from
their
peak
years
ruth
and
gehrig
couldn
play
every
position
simultaneously
imo
given
the
various
ages
of
the
braves
and
reds
this
season
that
the
braves
will
be
closer
to
their
peak
while
the
reds
have
slightly
passed
their
peak
also
if
you
re
going
to
compare
braves
and
yankees
more
appropriate
comparison
to
the
braves
might
be
the
yankees
after
falling
short
two
years
in
row
in
exciting
world
series
both
teams
won
will
win
the
series
this
year
despite
the
heroics
of
some
old
fart
on
the
other
team
casey
stengel
dave
winfield
perhaps
so
was
only
responding
to
the
yankees
of
the
and
part
of
the
comment
if
those
teams
were
sure
thing
and
lost
then
it
probably
not
so
unreasonable
for
someone
to
pick
another
team
not
that
did
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at
all
that
teal
bleah
indeed
if
the
color
teal
on
team
uniforms
is
any
indication
of
the
future
the
marlins
are
in
dire
trouble
refer
to
the
san
jose
sharks
for
proof
but
have
hope
for
the
marlins
was
sometime
member
of
the
rene
lachemann
fan
club
at
the
oakland
coliseum
and
have
deep
respect
for
the
guy
he
gem
and
of
course
walt
weiss
gives
that
franchise
class
but
yeah
whoever
designed
those
uniforms
was
guilty
of
paucity
of
style
and
imagination
ugghhh
maybe
just
child
of
the
but
really
liked
the
marlins
uniforms
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helmets
shine
nicely
in
the
sun
it
enough
to
make
me
fan
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frank
however
teel
should
have
mentioned
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legally
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it
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of
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going
to
be
in
cleveland
thursday
april
to
sunday
april
does
anybody
know
if
the
tribe
will
be
in
town
on
those
dates
and
if
so
who
re
they
playing
and
if
tickets
are
available
the
tribe
will
be
in
town
from
april
to
the
th
there
are
always
tickets
available
though
they
are
playing
toronto
and
many
toronto
fans
make
the
trip
to
cleveland
as
it
is
easier
to
get
tickets
in
cleveland
than
in
toronto
either
way
seriously
doubt
they
will
sell
out
until
the
end
of
the
season
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in
hotel
room
late
at
night
and
gets
call
from
someone
after
he
answers
the
phone
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person
at
the
other
end
asks
if
he
woke
yogi
up
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answered
no
the
phone
did
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of
my
favorites
came
back
in
the
seventies
when
two
streakers
interupted
game
yogi
was
at
dashing
across
the
field
unclad
later
someone
who
wasn
present
asked
yogi
if
they
were
men
or
women
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replied
couldn
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they
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bags
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mss
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mark
singer
said
we
know
that
very
very
few
players
at
this
age
make
much
of
an
impact
in
the
bigs
especially
when
they
haven
even
played
aaa
ball
yes
but
this
is
irrelevant
you
re
talking
about
averages
when
we
have
lots
of
information
about
this
player
in
particular
to
base
our
decisions
on
do
you
really
have
that
much
information
on
him
really
don
personally
but
clay
just
posted
it
yes
we
do
unfortunately
it
shows
that
lopez
wasn
as
good
an
example
as
nieves
would
have
been
since
his
last
year
numbers
were
out
of
line
with
the
previous
years
which
didn
have
access
to
the
point
remains
though
knowing
guy
minor
league
history
is
as
good
as
knowing
his
major
league
history
if
you
know
how
to
read
it
why
isn
lopez
likely
to
hit
that
well
he
hit
that
well
last
year
after
adjusting
his
stats
for
park
and
league
and
such
he
hit
better
on
an
absolute
scale
than
olson
or
berryhill
did
by
lot
don
know
you
tell
me
what
percentage
of
players
reach
or
exceed
their
mle
in
their
rookie
season
we
re
talking
about
you
know
the
mle
is
not
projection
it
an
equivalence
it
this
is
how
well
he
hit
last
year
in
major
league
terms
rating
so
in
essence
he
has
already
reached
it
would
guess
bob
clay
that
essentially
half
of
all
players
surpass
their
previous
mles
in
their
rookie
seasons
maybe
more
than
half
since
all
of
these
players
are
young
and
improving
if
that
were
your
purpose
maybe
offerman
spent
getting
acclimated
if
you
will
the
dodgers
as
team
paid
big
price
that
season
did
they
offerman
may
have
been
the
difference
between
th
or
th
place
and
last
place
but
no
more
perhaps
they
will
reap
the
benefits
down
the
road
do
you
really
think
they
would
have
done
what
they
did
if
they
were
competing
for
pennant
sure
they
didn
have
anyone
better
suppose
they
might
have
gutted
the
farm
system
to
acquire
jay
bell
or
spike
owen
or
somebody
if
they
were
really
in
contention
the
point
was
not
that
ab
is
significant
sample
but
rather
that
he
hadn
done
anything
in
spring
training
to
cause
even
blockhead
manager
to
question
whether
his
minor
league
numbers
were
for
real
or
to
send
him
down
until
he
gets
warmed
up
for
stat
head
amazed
that
you
put
any
credence
in
spring
training
if
you
read
what
wrote
you
be
less
amazed
nowhere
do
claim
to
put
any
credence
in
spring
training
quite
the
contrary
said
that
lopez
hadn
done
anything
that
even
the
bozos
who
do
put
credence
in
spring
training
could
interpret
as
failure
just
because
think
spring
training
numbers
are
meaningless
doesn
mean
that
bobby
cox
does
it
just
case
of
ruling
out
one
possible
explanation
for
sending
lopez
down
the
kid
will
improve
playing
at
aaa
just
like
keith
mitchell
did
wait
minute
missed
something
here
keith
mitchell
did
very
very
well
at
aa
aaa
and
the
majors
over
season
then
did
very
very
poorly
for
year
in
aaa
david
tate
do
not
know
what
it
is
about
you
that
closes
posing
as
and
opens
only
something
in
me
understands
can
the
pocket
of
your
glove
is
deeper
than
pete
rose
dy
cummings
nobody
not
even
tim
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has
such
soft
hands
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has
been
between
mark
singer
and
david
tate
with
valentine
weighing
in
on
the
same
side
as
dave
at
various
times
my
opinion
fwiw
to
all
mark
age
doesn
matter
ability
does
would
rather
have
the
untried
rookie
with
great
minor
league
numbers
than
the
veteran
who
has
proven
himself
to
be
average
at
best
don
care
if
he
is
if
he
plays
better
than
what
have
want
him
out
there
sandy
alomar
had
decent
minor
league
numbers
grossly
inflated
by
the
pcl
in
general
and
las
vegas
in
particular
he
should
have
been
projected
as
an
average
major
league
hitter
which
is
good
for
catcher
ll
admit
santiago
numbers
would
probably
come
out
the
same
as
sandy
but
don
have
the
league
data
from
the
mid
to
check
it
out
that
being
said
agree
with
sending
lopez
to
richmond
at
least
to
start
the
season
as
the
box
below
shows
he
has
one
minor
league
season
in
which
he
hit
well
he
has
two
in
which
he
hit
very
very
poorly
want
to
see
that
the
lopez
is
real
olson
and
berryhill
are
not
complete
mediocrities
for
catchers
especially
nl
catchers
they
are
essentially
average
hitters
with
equivalent
averages
around
if
he
had
hit
well
at
prior
levels
would
say
he
belongs
on
the
braves
but
there
is
reasonable
chance
that
lopez
last
year
was
just
as
much
fluke
as
alomar
in
or
santiago
in
one
year
at
any
level
at
any
age
doesn
satisfy
my
standards
of
evidence
javier
lopez
bur
dur
grn
atl
maj
min
tot
maj
min
tot
on
similar
note
don
understand
why
more
people
are
not
supportive
of
neon
deion
granted
thought
his
behavior
with
mccarver
last
year
was
completely
bush
last
year
was
the
first
time
he
ever
got
ab
in
one
place
so
his
lines
are
hard
to
read
but
he
has
combined
ops
in
minor
league
play
with
his
speed
is
more
valuable
than
the
ops
alone
indicates
and
at
still
young
age
had
monster
year
with
an
ops
he
has
total
major
and
minor
eqa
of
above
major
league
average
and
above
average
for
cf
which
was
about
in
the
nl
last
year
he
has
shown
at
least
the
potential
of
going
into
the
which
would
make
him
one
of
the
best
hitters
in
the
league
he
has
two
full
seasons
before
reaching
his
prime
season
of
he
should
be
considered
as
legitimate
prospect
and
not
as
simple
side
show
attraction
deion
sanders
fla
int
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even
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eh
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protected
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by
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old
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not
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new
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this
is
rosen
baby
not
quinn
and
ll
tell
you
what
let
look
at
this
again
at
the
end
of
the
season
and
say
in
three
years
and
see
who
the
genius
is
one
of
the
more
braindead
decisions
by
the
oldgiants
imho
even
if
benjamin
does
improve
markedly
over
the
past
and
his
hitting
is
better
he
never
going
to
be
more
than
utility
backup
if
rapp
might
turn
into
top
flight
arm
in
another
year
think
the
next
time
post
something
like
this
obviously
need
to
make
the
sarcasm
bit
more
obvious
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am
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only
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who
thinks
the
reds
sleeveless
uniforms
are
ugly
yet
another
reason
why
they
won
win
the
nl
west
if
uniforms
really
were
deciding
factor
in
pennant
races
the
pirates
would
have
never
won
anything
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have
to
be
the
ugliest
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ve
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my
vote
goes
for
the
indians
with
their
all
red
uniforms
boog
powell
once
said
he
felt
like
big
red
blood
clot
rich
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here
an
interesting
quote
from
bill
veek
from
get
that
nigger
off
the
field
josh
gibson
was
at
minimum
two
yogi
berras
speaking
of
yogi
anybody
know
any
good
yogi
isms
mike
curious
george
stultz
here
one
remember
sort
of
yogi
asleep
in
hotel
room
late
at
night
and
gets
call
from
someone
after
he
answers
the
phone
the
person
at
the
other
end
asks
if
he
woke
yogi
up
yogi
answered
no
the
phone
did
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suny
at
oswego
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lines
since
everyone
else
seems
to
be
running
wild
with
predictions
ve
decided
to
add
my
own
fuel
to
the
fire
they
might
seem
bit
normal
but
there
are
few
albeit
small
surprises
american
league
east
gb
new
york
yankees
baltimore
orioles
toronto
blue
jays
cleveland
indians
boston
red
sox
milwaukee
brewers
detroit
tigers
american
league
west
gb
minnesota
twins
kansas
city
royals
texas
rangers
chicago
white
sox
oakland
athletics
seattle
mariners
california
angels
al
mvp
kirby
puckett
al
cy
young
kevin
appier
al
rookie
of
the
year
tim
salmon
al
manager
of
the
year
buck
showalter
al
comeback
player
of
the
year
ozzie
guillen
national
league
east
gb
st
louis
cardinals
philadelphia
phillies
montreal
expos
new
york
mets
chicago
cubs
pittsburgh
pirates
florida
marlins
national
league
west
gb
atlanta
braves
cincinnati
reds
houston
astros
los
angeles
dodgers
san
francisco
giants
san
diego
padres
colorado
rockies
nl
mvp
barry
larkin
nl
cy
young
john
smoltz
nl
rookie
of
the
year
wil
cordero
nl
manager
of
the
year
joe
torre
nl
comeback
player
of
the
year
eric
davis
nl
champions
st
louis
cardinals
al
champions
minnesota
twins
world
champions
st
louis
cardinals
the
st
louis
picks
are
what
my
heart
says
what
my
brain
says
is
they
will
win
the
division
lose
to
the
braves
in
the
nlcs
and
the
braves
will
win
the
series
against
minnesota
but
for
now
ll
stick
with
the
cards
all
the
way
kevin
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at
oswego
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did
anyone
notice
the
words
not
for
baseball
printed
on
the
picture
of
joe
robbie
stadium
in
the
opening
day
season
preview
section
in
usa
today
any
reason
given
for
this
also
just
noticed
something
looking
at
the
nolan
ryan
timeline
in
the
preview
on
rickey
henderson
became
nolan
th
strikeout
on
he
pitched
his
th
no
hitter
against
oakland
believe
the
last
out
in
the
game
was
made
by
rickey
henderson
and
on
nolan
pitched
his
th
no
hitter
on
the
same
day
certain
someone
stole
his
th
base
which
overshadowed
it
it
seems
that
nolan
is
having
lot
of
publicity
at
rickey
expense
imo
rickey
deserves
it
and
it
seems
as
most
of
the
net
agrees
with
me
from
what
ve
seen
on
it
lately
they
are
both
great
players
but
imo
nolan
has
outclassed
rickey
both
in
playing
and
more
importantly
in
attitude
just
my
thoughts
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david
tate
writes
as
for
rushing
if
there
really
is
qualitative
difference
between
the
minors
and
the
majors
that
requires
period
of
adjustment
and
don
believe
there
is
then
wouldn
you
rather
waste
lopez
year
old
good
season
than
his
year
old
very
good
season
or
his
year
old
excellent
season
the
sooner
you
get
him
acclimated
the
more
of
his
prime
you
get
to
use
can
anybody
name
player
who
was
rushed
to
the
majors
let
for
argument
sake
define
rushed
as
brought
up
to
the
majors
for
more
than
cup
of
coffee
prior
at
age
or
younger
and
performing
below
expectations
whose
career
was
damaged
by
this
rushing
serious
tend
to
agree
with
david
that
bringing
the
player
up
sooner
is
better
but
like
to
look
at
players
for
whom
this
theory
didn
work
if
there
are
any
prefer
players
within
the
last
years
or
so
because
then
can
look
up
their
minor
league
stats
it
important
to
distinguish
between
players
who
legitimately
had
careers
below
what
their
minor
league
numbers
would
have
projected
as
opposed
to
players
who
were
hyped
and
failed
but
actually
had
careers
not
out
of
line
with
their
minor
league
numbers
let
kick
it
off
with
an
example
of
player
who
was
rushed
although
there
doesn
seem
to
have
been
any
damage
to
his
career
jay
bell
was
given
pas
in
the
major
leagues
at
age
and
performed
well
below
what
you
would
expect
from
his
aaa
numbers
the
same
season
he
got
pas
the
next
year
at
age
and
still
underperformed
however
the
next
year
at
age
his
performance
improved
and
he
won
the
everyday
shortstop
job
and
has
been
there
ever
since
it
really
hard
for
me
to
see
where
he
would
have
been
better
off
staying
in
the
minor
league
where
he
was
performed
quite
well
in
aaa
during
this
time
rather
than
being
rushed
cleveland
might
have
been
better
off
suppose
because
they
might
have
been
less
likely
to
give
up
on
him
yes
if
you
bring
player
up
early
he
likely
going
to
struggle
but
does
that
delay
the
time
at
which
he
stops
struggling
and
starts
performing
up
to
expectations
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otis
nixion
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single
to
left
with
two
outs
breaking
up
the
no
hitter
cubs
win
on
hitter
by
jose
guzman
that
might
be
what
it
takes
to
beat
the
braves
this
year
look
at
smoltz
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hits
walks
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writes
can
anybody
name
player
who
was
rushed
to
the
majors
let
for
argument
sake
define
rushed
as
brought
up
to
the
majors
for
more
than
cup
of
coffee
prior
at
age
or
younger
and
performing
below
expectations
whose
career
was
damaged
by
this
rushing
tend
to
agree
that
players
are
not
hurt
by
early
play
in
the
big
leagues
the
braves
organization
is
fertile
ground
to
test
this
hypothesis
as
they
had
little
talent
on
their
roster
for
some
time
steve
avery
for
example
was
rushed
to
the
majors
and
he
fared
very
poorly
during
his
initial
campaign
his
subsequent
pitching
has
not
been
affected
by
his
era
during
his
rookie
year
bill
james
pointed
out
that
it
was
relatively
unusual
to
struggle
so
and
then
rebound
bob
horner
was
also
rushed
to
the
majors
out
of
arizona
state
directly
had
good
numbers
immediately
am
not
certain
of
the
ages
of
people
like
pete
smith
craig
mcmurty
and
derek
lilliquist
the
braves
pitching
staffs
were
so
bad
when
they
came
up
that
they
might
have
been
rushed
lilliquist
and
smith
struggled
but
it
didn
hurt
ps
and
dl
may
have
been
overhyped
seem
to
recall
cm
pitching
well
initially
though
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writes
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in
school
you
have
lot
to
learn
learn
what
know
that
million
dollars
is
lot
of
money
know
rickey
henderson
doesn
have
career
out
of
baseball
know
if
he
didn
have
baseball
he
wouldn
be
making
near
the
money
he
is
now
just
don
understand
how
some
athlete
who
only
plays
sport
for
living
for
millions
of
dollars
say
he
is
not
being
paid
enough
if
nobody
will
sign
him
for
his
asking
price
he
will
be
the
one
hurting
the
will
still
win
without
him
remeber
many
of
these
athletes
have
nothing
if
not
for
their
athletic
ability
nothing
they
are
getting
paid
much
more
than
most
hard
working
citizens
and
they
are
complaining
of
not
enough
pay
don
have
problem
with
them
making
millions
my
problem
is
when
the
say
they
aren
being
paid
enough
when
they
already
get
million
also
their
numbers
get
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won
their
home
opener
against
the
brewers
today
before
at
anaheim
stadium
on
hitter
by
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mark
singer
said
most
catchers
need
to
be
solid
defensively
players
to
help
their
clubs
in
the
bigs
those
are
the
arguments
against
lopez
for
the
braves
for
this
year
now
the
braves
have
two
catchers
who
have
demonstrated
solid
abilities
to
call
games
to
work
with
the
pitchers
to
throw
out
runners
this
is
the
crux
of
the
argument
to
me
at
least
both
the
sdcn
and
the
non
sdcn
camps
seem
to
agree
on
the
fact
that
catcher
defense
is
basically
nonmeasurable
at
present
you
can
talk
about
how
important
calling
game
is
or
framing
the
pitches
or
blocking
balls
in
the
dirt
but
there
is
little
or
no
way
to
tell
exactly
how
various
catcher
rank
in
defense
looking
at
lopez
specifically
is
there
any
reason
to
suspect
that
he
is
bad
defensive
catcher
other
then
the
fact
that
the
braves
or
the
media
has
labeled
him
bad
defensive
catcher
as
far
as
can
tell
he
doesn
have
any
particular
problem
in
his
mechanics
such
as
sasser
he
might
be
little
rough
around
the
edges
in
blocking
the
ball
or
framing
the
pitch
to
get
good
call
but
all
he
needs
to
clear
that
up
is
playing
and
practice
time
can
see
how
repetitions
at
aaa
are
any
better
then
reps
in
the
majors
all
we
re
left
with
is
the
calling
the
game
aspect
olsen
and
berryhill
at
always
given
credit
for
calling
good
games
and
helping
the
pitchering
staff
but
this
is
reputation
that
is
given
to
almost
all
veteran
catchers
how
is
catching
at
aaa
going
to
help
lopez
learn
the
major
league
pitching
staff
the
only
way
any
catcher
is
going
to
learn
tom
glavine
pitches
is
to
catch
tom
glavine
similarly
wouldn
be
supprised
if
the
pitcher
claimed
to
prefer
pitching
to
olsen
over
pitching
to
lopez
because
they
are
used
to
pitching
to
olsen
but
given
time
they
will
say
they
are
comfortable
with
lopez
now
since
lopez
can
learn
how
to
handle
the
major
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while
he
in
aaa
and
since
he
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glaring
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in
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he
going
to
learn
in
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that
he
can
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as
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paul
galvanek
writes
since
did
so
well
last
year
here
another
shot
at
picking
the
winners
and
losers
ll
skip
the
commentary
on
why
picked
who
to
finish
where
due
to
lack
of
time
for
flame
wars
kansas
city
think
kc
has
much
better
shot
at
being
in
the
top
division
than
the
bottom
one
word
cone
should
help
things
tremendously
think
you
are
way
off
the
mark
here
another
word
offense
makes
them
my
pick
for
last
too
well
there
also
my
policy
of
never
picking
buck
rodgers
team
for
last
florida
chicago
dont
know
if
an
expansion
team
has
ever
finished
not
last
but
think
this
year
might
be
first
if
it
hasnt
ever
happened
the
cubs
are
worse
the
angels
were
game
out
of
th
the
athletics
and
expansion
senators
finished
tied
for
last
the
colt
finshed
th
ahead
of
the
cubs
the
mets
were
last
the
royals
finshed
th
ahead
of
the
white
sox
the
pilots
in
last
the
mariners
finished
th
ahead
of
the
athletics
in
last
apparently
being
an
expansion
team
with
poor
or
chicago
team
around
is
good
thing
national
league
west
cincinnati
houston
atlanta
argh
here
is
where
you
are
obviously
dead
wrong
not
since
the
yankees
of
the
and
has
team
been
so
nicely
setup
as
this
years
and
years
to
come
braves
don
think
that
the
all
star
team
will
be
able
to
beat
this
may
be
an
appropriate
comparison
the
yankees
finshed
nd
rd
and
nd
finshing
and
games
out
of
first
in
and
they
also
finished
second
though
they
were
only
and
games
out
even
great
teams
can
lose
that
why
they
play
the
season
on
the
other
hand
still
picking
the
braves
to
go
all
the
way
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have
lost
what
little
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have
for
jim
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after
seeing
today
cubs
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dishard
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if
you
think
that
bad
just
wait
until
he
tries
dunston
in
the
leadoff
spot
again
yes
also
wonder
if
they
can
win
with
this
manager
never
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managers
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do
with
winning
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saw
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writes
totally
agree
with
each
point
you
made
jose
viscaino
looked
like
single
hitter
up
there
who
swings
on
count
with
maddux
pitching
and
your
teams
down
by
run
and
you
haven
touched
the
ball
all
day
also
think
too
much
is
made
of
that
lefty
righty
thing
watching
the
cubs
games
get
the
feeling
steve
stone
knows
lot
more
about
what
the
cubs
should
be
doing
than
lefebre
does
harry
said
it
best
when
he
stated
after
another
terrible
vizcaino
at
bat
we
can
wait
til
sandberg
returns
tell
you
steve
stone
is
like
prophet
he
must
be
making
ton
in
the
boradcoast
booth
because
can
understand
why
he
not
actually
back
in
the
game
itself
the
other
day
he
called
sosa
homerun
against
the
sox
and
claimed
the
game
would
be
going
into
extra
innings
when
the
score
was
in
the
th
so
yesterday
he
notices
that
sosa
ahead
in
the
count
against
maddux
and
says
this
is
fastball
situation
and
sosa
will
be
looking
for
it
but
this
is
also
the
spot
where
maddux
throws
the
straight
change
sure
enough
sosa
gets
ahead
on
it
and
pops
it
up
to
the
infield
stoney
for
cubs
manager
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mark
singer
writes
now
keith
mitchell
as
recall
no
stat
books
handy
surprise
he
jumped
from
aa
to
atlanta
in
he
did
so
well
that
he
was
returned
to
the
minors
where
he
didn
do
very
well
at
all
now
his
career
is
in
jeopardy
so
how
does
he
fit
in
with
your
point
good
mle
in
aa
moved
him
right
to
the
big
club
now
he
one
step
away
from
being
traded
or
moved
out
of
baseball
duh
methinks
you
recall
wrong
mitchell
hit
close
to
in
atlanta
and
continued
to
walk
alot
after
his
promotion
he
was
then
think
left
off
the
playoff
roster
and
started
the
next
year
in
the
minors
where
even
the
braves
will
tell
you
he
underperformed
because
he
was
so
mad
at
going
back
down
he
struggled
last
year
no
doubt
but
even
the
braves
blamed
part
of
it
on
the
demotion
much
rather
have
mitchell
than
say
mark
whiten
on
the
cards
russ
smith
don
know
anything
about
but
know
about
some
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gervin
on
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an
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coach
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marvelous
time
out
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by
chris
webber
which
resulted
in
technical
foul
since
his
team
had
no
time
outs
left
perhaps
webber
will
take
the
place
of
bill
buckner
as
the
master
of
choke
at
least
this
red
sox
fan
hopes
so
ted
when
chelsea
clinton
secret
service
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an
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the
rules
say
baseball
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game
between
two
teams
of
nine
players
each
let
keep
it
that
way
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marc
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not
any
more
the
rules
don
say
that
so
that
pretty
dumb
argument
really
my
little
mind
be
boggled
don
have
rule
book
yet
so
david
would
you
please
post
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new
wording
of
rule
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fortunate
enough
to
have
tickets
for
an
orioles
red
sox
game
in
baltimore
on
saturday
july
st
haven
been
to
the
new
park
and
was
wondering
if
anyone
out
there
can
give
me
pointers
or
good
tips
or
anything
helpful
about
the
place
so
that
can
enjoy
every
moment
spent
there
for
instance
what
time
do
the
gates
open
do
we
see
the
orioles
take
bp
when
will
the
red
sox
take
bp
anything
you
can
tell
me
would
be
appreciated
thank
you
in
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to
my
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and
michael
jackson
jack
nicholson
and
bill
cosby
wouldn
be
making
near
as
much
money
if
they
weren
entertainers
so
what
your
point
actually
could
care
less
what
his
salary
is
it
has
something
to
do
with
the
fact
that
we
live
in
america
and
everyone
is
entitled
to
whatever
he
can
legally
obtain
if
sandy
alderson
and
the
haas
family
willingly
negotiate
salary
of
million
per
year
with
rickey
couldn
care
less
but
what
really
gets
my
goat
is
the
bullshit
he
spouted
in
spring
training
about
well
sometimes
may
not
play
as
hard
or
might
be
hurt
more
often
in
place
where
not
appreciated
this
quote
was
in
the
chronicle
about
the
second
week
of
camp
and
strongly
suggests
that
he
was
going
to
dog
it
all
year
if
the
ownership
didn
kiss
his
butt
and
ante
up
some
more
money
for
god
sake
rickey
you
signed
contract
years
ago
now
honor
it
and
play
say
all
you
want
to
about
steve
garvey
and
believe
me
hated
him
too
but
at
least
when
he
put
his
signature
on
piece
of
paper
he
shut
his
mouth
and
played
hard
until
the
contract
was
up
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landed
with
team
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think
the
tigers
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anemic
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would
grab
this
guy
pronto
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il
lines
having
run
completely
out
of
time
ve
got
to
get
my
prophesies
and
predictions
for
the
out
qualifications
one
of
the
worse
finishes
in
last
year
prediction
contest
al
east
baltimore
orioles
why
the
orioles
well
pondered
long
and
hard
and
it
all
came
down
to
this
the
blue
jays
are
going
the
wrong
direction
can
bring
myself
to
pick
the
yankees
milwaukee
was
fluke
indians
aren
ready
to
contend
red
sox
were
bad
last
year
and
didn
get
any
better
detroit
pitching
will
be
the
new
definition
of
replacement
level
but
you
don
really
think
the
orioles
will
win
do
you
no
as
matter
of
fact
can
see
any
team
in
the
american
league
winning
either
division
on
paper
with
the
possible
exception
of
the
yankees
who
hate
but
some
body
has
to
win
so
pick
the
orioles
you
don
really
think
that
brady
anderson
is
going
to
repeat
do
you
no
basing
the
orioles
prediction
on
the
expectation
of
big
years
from
cal
ripken
and
glenn
davis
glenn
davis
that
insane
yes
so
without
further
ado
strong
points
hoiles
ripken
some
years
olson
getting
rid
of
billy
ripken
weak
points
segui
may
start
valenzuela
the
original
something
may
be
the
fifth
starter
oates
puts
his
best
hitters
at
the
bottom
of
the
lineup
does
anybody
else
think
that
might
be
calculated
maneuver
to
minimize
the
effect
of
slumping
ripken
if
you
can
move
ripken
out
of
the
spot
why
not
move
the
rest
of
the
line
up
would
be
good
sign
glenn
davis
wins
comeback
player
of
the
year
would
be
bad
sign
in
tight
pennant
race
team
trades
for
pecota
obprediction
the
streak
continues
harold
reynolds
leads
the
team
in
caught
stealing
new
york
yankees
strong
points
abbot
key
perez
could
have
best
pitching
in
american
league
boggs
should
improve
on
hayes
weak
points
mattingly
still
considered
best
hitter
the
steinbrenner
factor
the
yankees
lost
to
the
mets
can
wholesale
changes
be
far
behind
never
count
on
rookie
pitchers
wickman
millitello
to
win
division
would
be
good
sign
boggs
hits
over
would
be
bad
sign
howe
gets
arrested
again
obprediction
mattingly
won
top
ops
toronto
blue
jays
strong
points
management
willing
to
make
big
deals
management
has
eerie
power
to
convince
other
teams
its
prospects
are
not
suspects
olerud
guzman
alomar
weak
points
the
jackson
for
bell
trade
has
shaken
my
faith
in
gillick
losing
stewart
may
hurt
rotation
that
really
bad
sign
no
one
in
the
outfield
can
get
on
base
pitching
is
thin
behind
guzman
and
ward
would
be
good
sign
jack
morris
considered
cy
young
contender
in
august
would
be
bad
sign
club
makes
no
major
deals
in
august
obprediction
morris
will
post
better
era
and
whip
totals
than
last
year
and
have
losing
record
milwaukee
brewers
strong
points
pitching
staff
was
exceptional
last
year
weak
points
molitor
gone
surhoff
at
third
why
eldred
can
keep
it
up
would
be
good
sign
listach
and
eldred
play
like
last
year
would
be
bad
sign
bones
plays
like
last
year
obprediction
surhoff
won
finish
the
year
at
third
cleveland
indians
strong
points
baerga
belle
nagy
weak
points
pitching
staff
thin
losing
olin
really
hurts
starts
felix
fermin
would
be
good
sign
bielecki
era
is
consistent
with
his
atlanta
starts
would
be
bad
sign
ted
power
bullpen
ace
obprediction
alomar
will
be
back
on
the
dl
by
the
all
star
break
boston
red
sox
strong
points
clemens
viola
clemens
detroit
clemens
weak
points
most
incompetent
gm
in
baseball
key
free
agent
signing
andre
dawson
burks
is
gone
hatcher
in
center
would
be
good
sign
rainouts
in
between
clemens
starts
would
be
bad
sign
clemens
on
the
dl
obprediction
russell
will
make
sox
fans
forget
reardon
interpret
that
how
you
will
detroit
tigers
strong
points
tettleton
phillips
whitaker
weak
points
if
fielder
keeps
declining
he
ll
be
shortstop
this
year
worst
rotation
in
baseball
entirely
replaced
but
not
necessarily
better
this
year
could
be
very
ugly
would
be
good
sign
cecil
fielder
deserving
the
mvp
would
be
bad
sign
cecil
fielder
not
whining
about
deserving
an
mvp
obprediction
cecil
won
lead
the
league
in
rbis
one
more
division
to
go
dale
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writes
you
think
that
an
expansion
team
would
be
filled
with
young
ns
not
guys
like
murphy
galaragga
smith
it
depends
if
you
can
get
your
old
veterans
cheap
and
if
they
can
perform
at
higher
level
than
your
young
talent
can
now
why
not
the
talent
develop
in
the
minors
while
giving
the
fans
some
familiar
names
to
cheer
if
the
veterans
are
gone
in
year
or
two
that
should
be
just
about
right
maybe
someone
should
tell
those
renegade
front
office
people
in
denver
open
question
which
was
more
important
to
the
expansion
clubs
the
expansion
draft
or
the
regular
draft
they
ve
had
one
of
each
think
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considered
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not
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writes
morgan
and
guzman
will
have
era
run
higher
than
last
year
and
the
cubs
will
be
idiots
and
not
pitch
harkey
as
much
as
hibbard
castillo
won
be
good
think
he
stud
pitcher
this
season
so
far
morgan
and
guzman
helped
to
lead
the
cubs
at
top
in
era
even
better
than
the
rotation
at
atlanta
cubs
era
at
while
braves
at
we
know
it
is
early
in
the
season
we
cubs
fans
have
learned
how
to
enjoy
the
short
triumph
while
it
is
still
there
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writes
nlu
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nelson
lu
writes
during
the
same
time
span
the
braves
developed
john
smoltz
tom
glavine
steve
avery
david
justice
ron
gant
and
jeff
blauser
among
others
avery
believe
came
from
the
phillies
jeff
blauser
avery
was
the
overall
pick
by
the
braves
behind
mark
lewis
think
in
john
smoltz
came
over
to
the
braves
from
the
tigers
but
was
developed
by
the
braves
jeff
blauser
isn
bad
player
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defending
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in
short
the
ticket
was
for
not
stopping
at
stop
sign
given
the
conditions
could
not
stop
in
time
and
decided
instead
of
sliding
right
through
the
intersection
would
complete
my
right
turn
and
avoid
possible
accident
police
cruiser
happened
to
be
approaching
the
intersection
from
my
left
and
gave
me
the
ticket
the
officer
said
the
only
reason
that
you
even
slowed
down
in
the
first
place
was
that
you
saw
me
approaching
otherwise
you
would
have
bombed
right
through
would
like
to
thank
all
those
who
responded
favorably
to
my
request
for
help
to
all
of
those
who
told
me
to
bite
the
bullet
and
pay
the
fine
phghghghgh
the
judge
sided
with
me
and
decided
that
in
this
case
not
stopping
was
the
safest
thing
to
do
and
found
me
not
guilty
the
officer
statement
and
my
account
of
the
conditions
at
the
time
very
slippery
backed
by
newpaper
weather
conditions
were
the
factors
what
made
the
judge
decide
on
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verdict
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westboro
mass
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had
exactly
the
same
problem
with
horizon
third
gear
would
just
disengage
engine
would
rev
up
kind
of
disconcerting
sold
that
car
quite
few
years
back
but
the
memory
of
that
tranny
sticks
with
me
it
also
had
clutch
chatter
in
first
that
the
dealer
could
not
fix
if
the
lemon
law
had
been
in
place
then
that
car
would
have
been
covered
have
had
several
jap
cars
since
then
figuring
the
horizon
was
my
contribution
to
the
american
auto
companies
and
have
never
seen
any
bad
behavior
with
the
exception
of
toyota
tercel
with
bit
of
clutch
chatter
that
they
did
fix
on
the
first
try
anyway
from
that
day
forward
have
sworn
that
would
never
purchase
another
american
car
with
standard
american
manufacturers
don
have
clue
on
how
to
manufacture
five
speed
transmissions
and
have
been
doing
the
automatics
much
longer
and
on
many
more
cars
however
hate
automatics
so
am
still
buying
jap
cars
not
sure
this
is
any
help
but
other
cars
do
this
too
cheers
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writes
while
taking
an
extended
easter
vacation
was
going
north
on
somewhere
between
centerville
tx
and
dallas
tx
and
came
upon
train
parked
on
trestle
with
its
locomotive
sitting
directly
over
the
northbound
lanes
there
appeared
to
be
movement
within
the
cab
and
out
of
curiosity
slowed
to
to
get
better
look
just
as
passed
from
underneath
the
trestle
my
radar
detector
went
into
full
alert
all
lights
lit
and
all
chirps
beeps
and
buzzes
going
strong
thought
had
been
nailed
good
but
no
police
materialized
some
but
not
all
locomotives
have
doppler
speedometers
the
radar
head
is
mounted
looking
down
at
the
ground
to
minimize
intereference
sent
and
received
but
looking
tangentally
at
wheel
these
are
low
power
units
and
typically
won
trigger
radar
detectors
unless
an
unusual
situation
such
as
yours
arises
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radar
pointed
down
because
almost
every
train
pass
head
on
that
triggers
my
radar
detector
does
so
more
just
after
have
passed
the
front
of
the
engine
get
little
of
the
reflections
as
am
approaching
and
the
instant
get
to
the
side
of
the
first
engine
the
detector
receives
fairly
strong
signal
for
short
time
it
happens
with
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consulted
with
someone
working
on
an
electronic
odometer
the
design
was
to
use
microprocessor
based
system
to
write
somewhat
ofuscated
pattern
into
an
eeprom
the
idea
was
to
make
the
circuit
difficult
to
program
arbitrary
values
into
the
eeprom
the
secondary
purpose
acutally
the
primary
purpose
from
the
standpoint
of
practicality
was
to
distributed
the
writes
so
as
to
avoid
exceeing
the
maximum
number
of
writes
fof
the
eeprom
being
used
the
microprocessor
also
ignored
pulses
coming
from
the
hall
effect
at
rate
any
higher
than
mph
so
as
to
make
spoofing
the
reading
by
bench
pulsing
at
least
somewhat
undesirable
this
was
for
an
automobile
that
was
not
expected
to
ever
exceed
mph
in
operation
the
case
of
course
might
not
be
the
same
for
your
rx
the
ecm
modules
of
some
cars
do
indeed
store
info
about
conditions
under
which
cars
have
been
operated
since
steering
angle
and
velocity
data
etc
is
available
it
would
not
be
difficult
to
collect
all
sorts
of
interesting
demographic
information
about
the
drivers
use
of
the
car
am
not
aware
of
any
manufacturer
currently
trying
to
enforce
warranty
restrictions
based
on
reading
out
use
data
from
the
ecm
while
it
could
be
potential
invasion
of
your
privacy
for
manufacturers
to
have
access
to
data
about
your
driving
style
it
could
also
provide
valuable
information
from
actual
field
use
conditions
to
help
engineer
more
appropriate
cars
personally
wouldn
mind
the
dealer
collecting
my
driving
demographics
as
long
as
it
is
done
in
an
anonymous
fashion
bill
mayhew
neoucom
computer
services
department
rootstown
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phone
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in
previous
article
smorris
sumax
seattleu
edu
steven
morris
says
or
here
an
even
better
suggestion
why
don
you
guys
go
ahead
and
buy
the
rest
of
fuji
heavy
industries
subaru
and
put
either
an
in
line
or
into
the
legacy
wd
wagon
buy
the
legacy
in
minute
if
it
had
nissan
engine
instead
of
the
horizontal
that
they
seem
sentimentally
attached
to
what
do
you
find
so
wrong
with
the
flat
in
the
subaru
or
the
flat
for
that
matter
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
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champion
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subject
after
market
cruise
controls
specific
questions
message
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mike
wieda
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organization
byu
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posting
host
lines
howdy
little
new
to
this
newsgroup
but
would
like
to
tap
some
of
the
knowledge
and
expertise
available
here
the
subject
after
market
cruise
controls
the
background
recently
broke
my
ankle
in
road
bicycling
accident
places
five
screws
yuk
in
two
weeks
will
be
returning
to
texas
my
home
from
my
school
byu
in
provo
utah
as
you
can
imagine
trying
to
drive
nearly
miles
with
broken
right
ankle
isn
just
the
epitome
of
good
time
my
car
does
not
have
cruise
control
so
would
have
to
do
all
the
pedalling
ha
ha
with
my
messed
up
ankle
my
question
what
is
the
general
opinion
of
after
market
cruise
control
units
realize
that
cheap
cc
cruise
control
from
say
pep
boys
isn
going
to
be
as
good
as
factory
or
professionally
installed
unit
if
there
is
such
thing
and
uderstand
that
probably
can
expect
much
in
the
way
of
accuracy
looks
and
that
sort
of
thing
but
anything
gotta
be
better
than
trying
to
drive
with
hosed
ankle
have
jeep
cherokee
speed
standard
engine
with
kettering
sp
ignition
know
distributor
cap
rotor
that
set
up
not
electronic
maybe
you
could
ve
guessed
it
being
an
but
just
trying
to
give
information
as
completly
as
can
found
cc
unit
for
bucks
it
seems
to
use
the
vehicles
vacuum
system
instead
of
an
electric
servor
motor
is
this
good
or
bad
if
did
buy
this
cc
which
vacuum
hose
should
tap
it
has
two
speed
sensors
one
magnetic
and
one
that
gets
signal
from
the
negative
side
of
the
distributor
kinda
like
tach
pick
up
or
so
understand
can
use
either
one
which
is
best
the
manual
says
read
it
in
the
store
today
that
the
magnetic
axle
set
up
is
more
accurate
but
harder
to
install
is
there
really
big
difference
it
has
sensor
for
the
brake
pedal
just
like
other
ccs
but
does
not
have
sensor
for
the
clutch
pedal
so
if
wasn
paying
real
close
attention
might
push
the
clutch
in
while
the
cruise
is
trying
to
get
the
speed
up
which
would
wind
the
engine
up
kinda
high
until
got
my
wits
about
me
and
turned
the
thing
off
pretty
coordinated
so
this
doesn
bother
me
if
it
were
for
my
girlfriends
car
then
it
would
bother
me
but
ok
with
it
the
installation
also
calls
for
an
attachment
to
steady
on
brake
signal
and
switched
on
brake
signal
think
can
get
switched
brake
signal
from
the
correct
side
of
the
brake
light
blade
fuse
am
right
but
not
sure
where
to
get
the
steady
on
brake
signal
or
for
that
matter
what
exactly
it
is
any
ideas
as
to
what
the
manufaturer
wants
and
where
to
get
it
think
can
figure
the
other
things
out
like
how
to
hook
up
the
negative
side
tach
type
sensing
gizmo
and
the
cabin
control
unit
and
the
ground
and
all
that
miscellaneous
business
but
need
little
help
with
is
it
worth
the
money
and
safety
risk
if
any
for
such
device
is
there
any
particularly
good
after
market
cc
are
professionally
installed
ccs
signifacantly
better
and
worth
the
cabbage
if
the
unit
saw
sorry
no
manufacturer
or
model
number
just
that
it
is
at
pep
boy
and
its
is
sufficient
for
my
simple
needs
how
do
get
the
thing
installed
properly
specifically
the
questions
above
my
father
and
built
veep
volkswagen
powered
jeep
cj
when
was
in
high
school
so
consider
myself
fairly
good
with
tools
electronics
and
cars
so
the
installation
doesn
scare
me
just
want
to
be
certain
that
get
the
thing
installed
correctly
as
my
cherokee
is
just
wee
bit
more
complicated
than
my
veep
appreciate
your
time
in
reading
my
post
and
would
appreciate
any
expertise
or
opinion
anybody
has
on
the
subject
if
you
would
like
to
share
some
of
your
wisdom
please
email
as
don
get
over
this
group
very
often
but
check
my
mail
all
the
time
again
thanks
for
any
help
anyone
may
have
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com
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cs
uah
edu
cgranfel
vipunen
hut
fi
reilly
rreilly
fnal
gov
nntp
posting
host
po4
andrew
cmu
edu
in
reply
to
reilly
rreilly
fnal
gov
rob
reilly
whips
and
their
tempers
initially
all
cars
were
built
with
the
driver
controls
on
the
right
because
that
the
way
people
drove
buggies
so
the
this
is
just
not
so
many
of
the
earliest
cars
had
their
steering
controls
in
the
center
of
the
vehicle
and
there
is
no
discernible
pattern
of
left
or
right
hand
steering
controls
until
few
years
into
the
th
century
when
in
america
at
least
left
hand
wheels
became
the
pattern
the
mule
team
or
horses
imagine
explanation
however
seems
to
have
some
merit
dan
dh3q
andrew
cmu
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carnegie
mellon
university
applied
history
this
coffee
plunges
into
the
stomach
the
mind
is
aroused
and
ideas
pour
forth
like
the
battalions
of
the
grand
army
on
the
field
of
battle
memories
charge
at
full
gallop
the
light
cavalry
of
comparisons
deploys
itself
magnificently
the
artillery
of
logic
hurry
in
with
their
train
of
ammunition
flashes
of
wit
pop
up
like
sharp
shooters
honore
de
balzac
cups
day
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re
license
plates
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references
apr14
marshall
wvnet
edu
reply
to
ak296
yfn
ysu
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john
daker
nntp
posting
host
yfn
ysu
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in
previous
article
edf003
marshall
wvnet
edu
says
hi
interested
in
getting
the
list
for
license
plate
numbers
if
anyone
has
listing
appreciate
getting
copy
of
it
thanks
you
must
be
incredibly
bored
have
you
considered
reading
the
phone
book
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
the
eternal
champion
path
cantaloupe
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cs
cmu
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news
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edu
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near
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ak296
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john
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re
isuzu
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reply
to
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john
daker
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posting
host
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in
previous
article
sdexter
shl
com
scott
dexter
says
like
the
amigo
would
like
some
feedback
any
and
all
feedback
appreciated
yet
another
jeep
wannabe
designed
for
yuppies
who
will
never
take
it
off
road
but
want
to
look
outdoorsey
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
the
eternal
champion
path
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news
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ak296
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autos
subject
re
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wvnet
edu
reply
to
ak296
yfn
ysu
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john
daker
nntp
posting
host
yfn
ysu
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in
previous
article
edf003
marshall
wvnet
edu
says
hi
interested
in
getting
the
list
for
license
plate
numbers
if
anyone
has
listing
appreciate
getting
copy
of
it
thanks
you
must
be
incredibly
bored
have
you
considered
reading
the
phone
book
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
the
eternal
champion
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cc
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access
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ualberta
ca
acs
ucalgary
ca
parr
from
parr
acs
ucalgary
ca
charles
parr
subject
re
truck
tailgates
mileage
message
id
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lehigh
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calgary
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in
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jun
he
writes
in
article
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mil
koziarz
halibut
nosc
mil
walter
koziarz
writes
in
article
hpscit
sc
hp
com
chrisw
hpscit
sc
hp
com
chris
wiles
wr
ites
consumers
report
did
study
think
and
found
that
most
trucks
got
worse
mileage
with
the
tailgate
off
the
tailgates
on
the
newer
trucks
actually
help
oh
sure
they
do
and
replacing
the
front
bumper
and
grille
with
closet
door
helps
mileage
and
cooling
if
cr
actually
said
that
then
they
have
bigger
fools
working
for
them
than
the
fools
that
believe
their
drivel
but
who
am
to
argue
this
just
someone
that
been
pickup
driver
for
years
that
all
forget
the
net
just
take
off
the
tailgate
on
hiway
trips
since
the
nets
aren
designed
to
nor
capable
of
restraining
load
in
the
bed
anyway
around
town
the
tailgate
will
have
negligable
effect
on
mileage
anyway
walt
they
may
help
to
improve
mileage
in
some
cases
believe
with
the
tailgate
on
the
flow
structure
behind
the
cab
may
differ
and
the
vortex
drag
may
be
reduced
during
high
speed
driving
how
about
those
toneau
covers
ve
been
thinking
of
building
one
from
chipboard
for
roadtrips
any
comment
on
how
they
affect
mileage
in
highway
travel
charles
within
the
span
of
the
last
few
weeks
have
heard
elements
of
separate
threads
which
in
that
they
have
been
conjoined
in
time
struck
together
to
form
new
chord
within
my
hollow
and
echoing
gourd
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have
chevy
sprint
with
and
doors
it
odometer
turned
and
the
sensor
light
started
blinking
went
to
the
dealer
and
he
said
it
was
maintenance
light
saying
need
to
change
the
oxygen
sensor
he
said
it
is
to
be
changed
every
but
since
bought
the
car
when
it
had
don
know
if
the
same
thing
happened
at
and
he
quoted
for
the
part
and
to
install
it
the
part
cost
outside
but
the
mechanic
went
to
could
not
fix
it
saying
the
sensor
is
placed
too
deep
in
the
engine
parts
he
suggested
wait
till
it
malfunctions
before
do
anything
if
anyone
out
there
owns
chevy
sprint
want
to
know
how
they
got
their
oxygen
sensors
changed
also
did
you
face
any
problem
with
fixing
it
without
the
dealer
help
also
what
are
the
results
of
the
oxygen
sensor
malfunction
any
help
would
be
greatly
apprecisted
thanks
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in
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edu
george
hei
nz
writes
after
too
many
years
of
school
finally
graduating
and
getting
real
job
of
course
am
trying
to
make
plans
of
how
to
spend
all
this
extra
money
right
now
have
an
accord
good
car
but
not
real
sporty
was
thinking
of
selling
it
in
about
two
years
and
dropping
around
on
sports
car
of
some
kind
after
thinking
about
it
may
have
better
idea
ll
keep
the
accord
until
it
drops
and
buy
the
car
ve
always
wanted
corvette
stingray
my
reasoning
is
that
accord
corvette
is
less
than
what
would
spend
anyway
basically
thinking
of
late
early
for
around
my
question
is
what
are
good
years
to
consider
for
reliability
looks
horsepower
in
that
order
believe
it
or
not
horsepower
is
not
main
concern
if
want
to
go
fast
get
on
my
motorcycle
and
what
are
good
prices
also
what
would
insurance
look
like
male
single
might
wait
until
to
get
the
car
lower
insurance
would
the
fact
that
mainly
drive
the
other
car
lower
it
is
there
some
type
of
classic
car
or
rarely
driven
insurance
class
for
driving
it
under
miles
per
year
my
dad
has
vette
and
its
on
what
you
say
classic
insurance
basically
what
that
means
is
that
it
has
restricted
amount
of
driving
time
which
basically
means
it
cant
be
used
as
an
every
day
car
and
would
probably
suit
your
needs
for
limited
mileage
in
addition
to
restricted
mileage
many
classic
insurance
carriers
also
require
that
the
vehicle
be
garaged
when
not
in
use
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northern
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ronald
deblock
jr
writes
you
can
avoid
these
problems
entirely
by
installing
an
oil
drain
valve
in
place
of
the
bolt
have
one
on
both
of
my
cars
there
have
been
no
leaks
in
miles
combined
miles
on
both
cars
yes
but
then
someone
would
have
no
problem
draining
your
oil
in
parking
lot
all
they
have
to
do
is
reach
underneath
turn
valve
and
forget
the
trip
home
but
there
is
less
likelyhood
they
have
wrench
with
them
personally
recommend
installing
special
locking
drain
plug
to
keep
vandals
away
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barak
tulin
writes
just
started
reading
this
thread
today
so
forgive
me
if
it
has
already
been
mentioned
but
what
was
the
deal
with
renault
putting
the
horn
on
the
left
hand
turn
signal
stalk
it
was
button
on
the
end
where
the
washer
button
would
be
on
the
wiper
washer
stalk
could
the
frenchies
not
figure
out
the
wiring
through
the
steering
wheel
or
what
well
before
we
start
calling
the
engineering
folks
in
france
bunch
of
braindeads
for
this
my
mercury
capri
had
this
lovely
feature
this
was
not
the
earlier
german
variant
but
the
newer
one
that
was
identical
to
the
mustang
of
current
fame
can
tell
you
how
many
times
this
feature
pissed
me
off
come
to
think
of
it
my
brothers
zepher
had
this
as
well
robert
dilmore
dilmore
cray
com
going
back
to
an
earlier
thread
imagine
having
to
turn
left
shift
gears
flash
stray
driver
in
the
intersection
with
your
left
hand
high
beam
on
the
headlight
stalk
and
after
the
driver
wouldn
move
having
to
honk
the
horn
on
the
left
hand
stalk
gives
me
the
heebie
jeebies
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haddock
writes
while
taking
an
extended
easter
vacation
was
going
north
on
somewhere
between
centerville
tx
and
dallas
tx
and
came
upon
train
parked
on
trestle
with
its
locomotive
sitting
directly
over
the
northbound
lanes
there
appeared
to
be
movement
within
the
cab
and
out
of
curiosity
slowed
to
to
get
better
look
just
as
passed
from
underneath
the
trestle
my
radar
detector
went
into
full
alert
all
lights
lit
and
all
chirps
beeps
and
buzzes
going
strong
thought
had
been
nailed
good
but
no
police
materialized
could
this
have
been
caused
by
the
train
radio
or
what
don
know
about
trains
but
ve
saw
sign
on
the
back
of
greyhound
bus
that
warns
you
that
your
radar
detector
may
be
set
off
it
doesn
explain
why
but
it
does
set
off
my
radar
detector
from
the
net
desk
of
rick
colombo
cd
dcd
dsg
fermi
nat
acc
lab
fermilab
box
ms
feynman
computer
center
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ill
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fnal
gov
of
course
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dennis
schloeman
writes
xsorry
to
repost
this
again
so
soon
but
xthe
information
from
my
earlier
post
was
xdeleted
from
our
system
xi
am
looking
for
information
concerning
sprayed
on
bedliners
for
pickup
trucks
xa
company
here
does
it
using
polyurethene
xbut
they
ve
only
been
around
for
months
xso
there
not
much
of
track
record
here
xis
the
sprayed
on
bedliner
any
good
how
xwell
do
they
hold
up
over
the
years
any
xinfo
would
be
appreciated
xthanks
xdennis
do
you
have
ziebart
dealer
in
your
area
they
ve
offered
spray
on
bed
liners
around
here
for
several
years
if
you
do
see
what
kind
of
warranty
they
have
unfortunately
don
know
anyone
who
has
gotten
one
so
can
help
you
there
also
ask
if
they
can
give
you
list
of
references
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tom
vervaeke
writes
experience
with
jeep
service
dept
while
not
exactly
service
incident
had
similar
experience
recently
when
bought
new
truck
had
picked
out
the
vehicle
wanted
and
after
little
haggling
we
agreed
on
price
wrote
them
check
for
the
down
payment
plus
tax
and
license
and
told
them
be
back
that
evening
to
pick
up
the
truck
when
returned
had
to
wait
about
an
hour
before
the
finance
guy
could
get
to
me
when
finally
got
in
there
everything
went
smoothly
until
he
started
adding
up
the
numbers
he
then
discovered
that
they
had
miscalculated
the
tax
license
by
about
he
then
said
he
needed
another
from
me
said
we
had
already
agreed
on
price
and
it
was
their
problem
wasn
giving
them
any
more
money
the
finance
guy
then
brought
in
the
manager
on
duty
who
proceeded
to
give
me
hard
time
reminded
him
that
was
the
customer
and
didn
think
should
be
treated
like
that
and
that
if
he
didn
back
off
he
could
forget
the
whole
deal
he
made
some
smart
remark
so
told
him
where
he
could
stick
it
snatched
back
my
check
and
left
needless
to
say
they
were
not
pleased
by
the
turn
of
events
early
the
next
morning
got
call
from
the
general
sales
manager
wanting
to
know
what
happened
related
the
story
and
he
apologised
profusely
and
asked
if
there
was
anything
they
could
do
to
change
my
mind
told
him
that
if
they
gave
me
the
truck
for
free
probably
still
wouldn
take
it
that
there
were
other
dealers
in
town
was
repeat
customer
of
theirs
and
that
they
should
learn
how
to
treat
customers
etc
etc
was
still
pretty
steamed
about
the
whole
affair
he
gave
me
the
line
about
hating
to
lose
customer
and
they
would
try
to
find
solution
etc
etc
told
him
not
to
bother
thanks
go
somewhere
else
couple
hours
later
the
owner
of
the
dealership
called
me
all
apologetic
etc
etc
etc
and
said
that
they
would
cover
the
plus
knock
another
off
the
price
of
the
truck
told
him
think
about
it
and
he
gave
me
his
private
direct
phone
number
his
secretary
name
and
assured
me
that
they
valued
me
as
customer
etc
etc
etc
thought
about
it
for
few
hours
and
discussed
it
with
my
wife
and
we
decided
what
the
hell
that
was
pretty
decent
deal
so
called
him
back
and
accepted
his
offer
when
went
back
the
next
day
to
pick
up
the
truck
received
the
royal
treatment
everyone
seemed
to
know
about
the
incident
even
the
lot
boy
everything
went
smoothly
and
was
out
of
there
in
my
new
truck
in
about
mins
so
guess
reasonably
satisfied
customer
however
it
should
not
have
happened
in
the
first
place
was
bit
shocked
to
have
sales
person
talk
to
me
like
that
don
expect
them
to
bow
and
grovel
but
sure
don
expect
to
be
given
hard
time
either
esp
when
it
their
mistake
anyway
happy
with
the
truck
and
it
turned
out
to
be
couple
hundred
dollars
under
invoice
and
they
paid
most
of
the
first
year
license
fee
not
sure
whether
ll
go
back
to
that
dealer
tho
mark
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yik
chong
lam
writes
hello
does
anyone
know
how
to
take
out
the
bolt
under
the
engine
compartment
should
turn
clockwise
or
counter
tried
any
kind
of
lubricants
wd
etc
but
still
failed
do
you
think
can
use
electric
drill
change
to
suitable
bit
to
turn
it
out
if
can
succeed
can
re
tighten
it
not
too
tight
is
it
safe
without
oil
leak
xassuming
you
don
have
russian
car
with
opposite
threads
then
xyou
turn
counterclockwise
would
get
some
professional
xhelp
here
you
may
not
have
located
the
draing
plug
and
xactually
be
trying
to
loosen
something
else
xcraig
thank
you
very
much
in
advance
winson
this
reminds
me
of
the
first
time
my
cousin
did
an
oil
change
on
his
car
he
crawled
under
removed
bolt
drained
the
fluid
replaced
the
bolt
then
carefully
poured
in
quarts
of
oil
didn
bother
to
check
the
dip
stick
just
drove
off
didn
get
too
far
till
me
found
out
that
he
drained
the
speed
trans
and
dumped
an
extra
quarts
into
the
engine
moral
as
craig
said
don
be
ashamed
to
get
some
in
person
help
the
first
time
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can
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believe
it
of
all
teams
believe
the
cubs
have
the
best
record
ever
in
baseball
sometime
way
far
back
and
something
admiral
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liu
admiral
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address
admiral
jhunix
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commander
in
chief
of
the
security
division
of
the
pi
club
earth
chapter
president
of
the
earth
chapter
of
the
pi
club
founded
april
world
champions
baltimore
orioles
why
not
series
in
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yards
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cup
champions
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capitals
committee
for
the
liberation
and
intergration
of
terrifying
organisms
and
their
rehabilitation
into
society
the
only
problem
is
that
the
abbreviation
is
clitoris
from
the
polymorph
episode
of
red
dwarf
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bangles
are
the
greatest
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rock
band
that
ever
existed
this
sig
has
been
brought
to
you
by
frungy
the
sport
of
kings
my
god
man
drilling
holes
through
his
head
is
not
the
answer
dr
mccoy
you
know
susanna
hoffs
has
really
nice
ass
comment
by
flanagan
the
pi
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creating
the
largest
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past
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months
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by
self
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organization
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of
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at
boulder
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in
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att
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ronald
deblock
jr
writes
you
can
avoid
these
problems
entirely
by
installing
an
oil
drain
valve
in
place
of
the
bolt
have
one
on
both
of
my
cars
there
have
been
no
leaks
in
miles
combined
miles
on
both
cars
yes
but
then
someone
would
have
no
problem
draining
your
oil
in
parking
lot
all
they
have
to
do
is
reach
underneath
turn
valve
and
forget
the
trip
home
most
cars
have
drain
petcocks
in
the
radiators
and
ve
never
seen
nor
heard
of
vandal
opening
one
imagine
that
there
would
be
an
even
lower
risk
with
an
oil
plug
because
you
have
to
crawl
furthur
under
the
car
to
open
it
car
vandals
are
usually
real
traditional
in
their
methods
and
do
things
that
don
get
them
dirty
like
keying
your
car
dumping
sand
sugar
or
mothballs
in
the
gas
tank
tping
it
etc
boycott
usl
novell
for
their
absurd
anti
bsdi
lawsuit
drew
eckhardt
condemn
colorado
for
amendment
two
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colorado
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white
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interior
miles
interior
in
very
good
condition
exterior
in
good
condition
pioneer
dx
car
stereo
cd
player
fm
presets
am
removable
faceplate
seperate
component
speakers
professionally
mounted
in
the
doors
the
car
has
been
well
maintained
wax
it
often
and
keep
the
interior
clean
its
good
running
car
with
solid
body
no
rust
thru
tiny
spots
of
surface
rust
when
see
spot
touch
it
up
the
stereo
makes
the
car
have
had
no
mechanical
problems
with
it
looking
for
firm
the
car
has
an
average
wholesale
value
of
about
without
the
stereo
the
stereo
cost
me
last
july
if
you
are
interested
call
or
email
me
at
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mercer
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com
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com
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corp
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klui
corp
hp
com
in
article
apr14
marshall
wvnet
edu
edf003
marshall
wvnet
edu
writes
hi
interested
in
getting
the
list
for
license
plate
numbers
if
anyone
has
listing
appreciate
getting
copy
of
it
thanks
you
can
go
to
the
dmv
and
ask
for
their
listing
although
don
know
where
you
may
actually
buy
copy
you
can
use
theirs
for
your
perusal
in
california
the
listing
of
personalized
license
plates
run
volumes
each
about
thick
hope
this
is
what
you
re
asking
for
ken
kenneth
lui
klui
corp
hp
com
hanover
street
ms20bj
corporate
administrative
information
systems
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alto
ca
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application
technologies
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re
changing
oil
by
self
rist
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dealer
service
scam
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gmt
organization
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elizabeth
hospital
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oh
lines
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to
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in
previous
article
bmoss
grinch
sim
es
com
brent
woody
moss
says
was
worried
about
someone
stealing
my
oil
once
also
finally
decided
to
just
have
my
drain
plug
welded
shut
it
works
great
figure
that
when
add
three
or
four
quarts
when
the
oil
light
comes
on
every
month
or
so
that
it
just
as
good
or
better
than
the
old
wives
tale
of
changing
the
oil
and
filter
every
miles
works
for
me
must
say
did
the
same
thing
to
my
drain
plug
for
the
same
reasons
was
wondering
how
you
filled
your
crankcase
though
as
welded
my
hood
shut
also
out
of
fear
that
somebody
might
steal
my
air
filter
dod
darkman
the
significant
problems
we
face
cannot
be
solved
at
the
same
level
of
thinking
we
were
at
when
we
created
them
albert
einstein
the
eternal
champion
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performance
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devoted
to
that
peculiar
american
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customizing
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when
more
than
one
newsgroup
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is
included
on
the
newsgroups
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in
the
article
header
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articles
will
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in
all
of
the
newsgroups
listed
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is
one
of
the
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misunderstood
and
misused
facilities
on
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should
only
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to
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because
you
feel
an
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is
appropriate
you
should
never
crosspost
just
to
reach
particular
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is
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but
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in
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or
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and
the
fact
that
you
might
want
to
reach
the
audience
in
sci
electronics
or
rec
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is
not
adequate
justification
for
posting
to
either
group
crossposting
between
any
or
all
of
the
rec
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is
usually
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if
you
find
yourself
doing
so
consider
whether
or
not
it
is
truly
advisable
before
sending
your
article
consider
setting
followup
to
to
point
to
only
one
newsgroup
if
you
feel
you
must
crosspost
crossposting
between
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and
misc
consumers
is
chancy
at
best
in
particular
flame
wars
over
the
speed
limit
in
the
us
and
or
the
use
of
radar
detectors
should
never
be
crossposted
between
any
of
these
groups
most
readers
of
sci
electronics
and
rec
radio
couldn
care
less
about
the
police
radar
and
radar
detector
arguments
that
go
on
endlessly
in
rec
autos
it
is
an
excellent
idea
to
check
the
newsgroups
and
followup
to
lines
of
articles
before
posting
followup
in
particular
be
wary
of
posting
to
misc
test
rec
arts
startrek
or
talk
bizarre
or
any
combination
of
these
three
the
life
you
save
may
be
your
own
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there
is
field
in
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header
of
any
news
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which
allows
you
to
partially
control
where
the
article
goes
it
is
called
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distribution
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it
may
be
very
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many
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it
should
also
serve
as
reminder
that
news
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large
and
widespread
system
the
distribution
of
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is
fairly
extensive
as
of
this
writing
the
automotive
newsgroups
are
known
to
reach
most
of
europe
australia
new
zealand
and
some
locations
in
japan
with
this
in
mind
offer
the
following
hints
about
use
of
the
distribution
field
in
your
article
headers
and
on
article
content
please
take
care
not
to
send
for
sale
ads
about
clapped
out
ford
mavericks
in
new
jersey
to
france
or
california
doubt
that
anyone
in
either
place
will
care
except
for
my
girlfriend
who
for
some
strange
reason
likes
mavericks
but
only
door
mavericks
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that
when
posting
technical
questions
please
include
the
market
for
which
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was
manufactured
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example
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are
number
of
differences
between
european
market
ford
escort
and
us
market
escort
likewise
all
cc
and
early
cc
alfa
romeos
reached
the
us
with
spica
fuel
injection
european
market
cars
usually
got
carbs
often
webers
these
differences
can
be
important
to
your
readers
make
your
situation
clear
failure
to
do
so
can
lead
to
pointless
flame
wars
and
significant
spread
of
misinformation
be
careful
about
your
capacities
and
specifications
when
posting
in
the
us
we
get
mix
of
metric
and
english
system
values
whereas
europe
is
almost
entirely
on
the
metric
system
future
edition
of
this
monthly
posting
will
contain
list
of
commonly
used
abbreviations
that
may
not
be
known
in
some
places
that
rec
autos
reaches
this
cuts
both
ways
so
let
us
not
be
parochial
about
it
use
the
distribution
field
to
limit
where
your
article
goes
when
possible
within
north
america
the
values
na
north
america
can
canada
and
usa
may
be
used
in
addition
the
two
letter
state
abbreviations
of
the
us
are
supported
in
some
cases
if
wanted
to
send
an
article
only
to
new
york
and
new
jersey
could
put
ny
nj
in
distribution
field
note
that
multiple
comma
separated
values
are
legal
these
distribution
fields
vary
widely
however
so
you
should
check
with
your
local
sysadmin
to
find
out
what
is
likely
to
be
supported
in
your
area
the
dangers
of
overgeneralization
to
amplify
warning
from
the
distribution
section
of
this
article
be
wary
of
making
foolish
assumptions
about
all
cars
tires
etc
what
is
true
for
buick
with
cid
engine
may
be
quite
utterly
wrong
for
honda
with
cc
engine
headlight
laws
in
sweden
are
decidedly
different
from
those
in
idaho
the
need
for
adequate
specification
when
you
ask
question
please
give
reasonable
amount
of
information
if
you
have
question
about
your
honda
please
specify
year
model
engine
size
etc
otherwise
most
answers
to
your
question
may
be
quite
useless
concerning
lemons
at
one
time
or
another
every
auto
manufacturer
has
manufactured
lemon
or
two
even
honda
admits
to
this
please
don
waste
everyone
time
by
announcing
to
the
world
that
your
brand
automobile
is
terrible
so
all
brand
automobiles
are
terrible
so
no
one
should
ever
buy
car
from
the
brand
company
such
articles
are
worse
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asked
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questions
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other
article
contains
questions
more
geared
to
the
automotive
enthusiast
and
so
is
not
crossposted
to
misc
consumers
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changes
as
of
april
revised
brake
fluid
section
as
non
silicone
dot
fluids
are
now
apparently
available
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commonly
asked
automotive
questions
tire
questions
what
do
the
funny
numbers
on
the
sides
of
my
tires
mean
typically
you
will
see
something
like
hr14
the
is
the
overall
width
of
the
tire
in
millimeters
the
tread
is
usually
narrower
the
is
the
aspect
ratio
it
indicates
the
height
of
the
sidewall
of
the
tire
relative
to
the
overall
width
our
example
tire
has
sidewall
height
of
mm
the
is
the
wheel
diameter
in
inches
there
are
also
some
special
tires
called
trx
tires
which
have
three
digit
metric
wheel
diameter
designations
like
which
is
in
millimeters
the
means
radial
and
the
is
speed
rating
indicating
the
highest
speed
at
which
the
tire
when
properly
inflated
and
carrying
an
appropriate
load
may
safely
operate
common
speed
ratings
are
mph
mph
mph
and
up
to
mph
recent
changes
to
the
method
for
specifying
tire
sizes
move
the
speed
rating
to
different
part
of
the
designation
you
may
therefore
find
designations
like
r14
the
indicates
the
per
tire
load
associated
with
the
speed
rating
exceeding
this
load
in
continuous
operation
at
the
rated
speed
is
dangerous
practice
what
follows
is
table
showing
number
of
load
indices
and
corresponding
maximum
per
tire
loads
load
index
max
load
kg
note
that
the
usual
mass
vs
weight
confusion
occurs
in
this
table
in
some
cases
the
letters
or
lt
may
be
found
in
front
of
tire
size
the
lt
designation
indicates
light
truck
and
the
designation
indicates
passenger
car
if
no
letter
is
given
then
the
application
of
the
tire
is
passenger
car
usage
as
far
as
know
these
letters
only
appear
in
the
us
market
the
lt
designation
is
prinicipally
of
interest
to
owners
of
light
trucks
and
other
utility
vehicles
for
the
owner
of
passenger
vehicle
there
is
no
meaningful
difference
between
tire
with
designation
and
one
with
no
designation
at
all
if
the
aspect
ratio
is
omitted
it
is
probably
but
may
be
tires
with
an
ms
mud
snow
designation
may
have
their
speed
rating
reduced
by
km
about
mph
there
is
an
additional
set
of
ratings
on
tires
for
temperature
traction
and
treadwear
temperature
and
traction
are
graded
and
with
the
best
and
the
worst
treadwear
is
numeric
rating
these
values
are
of
limited
value
as
they
are
assigned
somewhat
arbitrarily
by
tire
manufacturers
and
are
thus
not
useful
in
comparing
different
brands
of
tires
my
car
has
tires
with
funny
size
designation
hr390
can
put
normal
tires
on
the
car
your
tires
are
called
trx
tires
they
were
devised
by
michelin
because
of
somewhat
different
bead
design
they
are
incompatible
with
normal
tires
michelin
used
different
diameter
wheel
for
them
so
that
they
could
not
be
mounted
on
the
wrong
type
wheel
and
so
that
more
conventional
tires
could
not
be
mounted
on
trx
type
wheels
you
will
need
to
aquire
different
wheels
to
put
normal
tire
on
your
car
it
is
barely
possible
to
fit
normal
tires
on
trx
wheels
and
horribly
dangerous
to
do
so
the
tires
may
simply
peel
off
the
rims
in
corner
or
possibly
blow
out
at
high
speed
trx
type
tires
are
becoming
hard
to
find
in
addition
to
michelin
avon
makes
suitable
tires
goodyear
has
apparently
discontinued
their
line
of
trx
tires
can
rotate
radials
from
side
to
side
or
rotate
them
only
on
one
side
of
my
car
car
and
tire
manufacturers
have
differing
views
on
this
subject
many
say
that
swapping
radials
between
the
left
and
right
hand
sides
of
car
is
now
ok
this
group
includes
michelin
and
goodyear
others
for
example
pirelli
and
nokia
will
void
warranties
if
such
swapping
is
done
the
best
advice
is
to
read
your
tire
manual
carefully
before
rotating
your
tires
and
stick
to
the
manufacturer
recommendations
how
many
snow
tires
should
buy
and
if
buy
which
end
of
the
car
should
put
them
on
in
short
and
both
ends
to
explain
many
drivers
in
areas
that
don
get
excessive
snow
or
who
don
drive
agressively
or
at
all
in
snow
conditions
get
away
with
only
two
snows
on
the
drive
wheels
but
there
are
circumstances
where
this
can
be
dangerous
practice
with
rear
wheel
drive
car
you
can
choose
between
being
able
to
start
the
car
going
function
of
the
rear
axle
or
stopping
and
turning
the
car
function
of
the
front
axle
in
front
wheel
drive
car
you
start
stop
and
turn
with
the
front
end
the
primary
risk
of
putting
the
snow
tires
on
the
front
only
is
that
if
you
have
to
put
on
the
brakes
while
going
downhill
you
run
serious
risk
of
going
downhill
backwards
radar
detectors
and
speed
limits
why
aren
there
any
comments
on
radar
detectors
and
speed
limits
in
this
posting
because
questions
about
detectors
and
speed
limits
crossposted
between
misc
consumers
and
rec
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always
start
long
tedious
and
pointless
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you
want
to
talk
about
either
of
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topics
please
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or
alt
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safety
equipment
do
airbags
really
work
preliminary
statistics
suggest
the
following
airbags
work
much
better
than
no
belts
good
point
belts
alone
work
much
better
than
airbags
alone
and
airbags
point
belts
work
slightly
better
than
point
belts
alone
the
con
to
airbags
is
that
some
designs
tend
to
burn
the
driver
hands
when
venting
the
byproducts
of
the
explosion
that
occurs
inside
the
bag
and
that
some
designs
but
not
all
may
knock
the
driver
hands
from
the
wheel
making
retention
of
control
of
the
vehicle
after
the
bag
deflates
more
difficult
brake
questions
do
always
need
to
get
the
rotors
on
my
disk
brakes
turned
midas
always
wants
to
do
this
no
there
are
specific
conditions
that
mandate
turning
or
replacing
rotors
some
shops
try
and
make
little
extra
money
by
replacing
rotors
more
often
than
is
strictly
necessary
if
the
rotors
are
not
warped
warped
and
only
lightly
grooved
then
there
is
no
need
to
replace
or
to
turn
them
note
also
that
some
rotors
the
rotors
on
many
hondas
are
good
example
are
so
narrow
to
begin
with
that
it
is
not
practical
to
turn
them
they
must
be
replaced
when
they
become
too
thin
warped
or
badly
grooved
they
tell
me
should
downshift
when
braking
to
slow
my
car
down
is
this
really
good
idea
it
used
to
be
very
good
idea
back
in
the
days
of
mediocre
fade
prone
drum
brakes
in
modern
disc
brake
equipped
cars
use
of
downshifting
to
slow
the
car
is
not
really
necessary
except
in
cases
of
long
steep
downhill
runs
otherwise
modern
disc
brakes
are
more
than
adequate
to
stop
passenger
car
in
all
circumstances
and
they
are
much
cheaper
to
repair
than
clutch
linings
on
the
other
hand
many
standard
driver
license
tests
in
the
usa
still
specify
that
the
driver
being
tested
downshift
under
braking
suggest
that
before
taking
us
driver
test
you
either
learn
to
do
this
smoothly
which
takes
some
time
and
practice
or
borrow
car
with
an
automatic
to
take
the
test
how
often
should
replace
my
brake
fluid
probably
more
often
than
you
do
traditional
brake
fluids
tend
to
absorb
water
this
water
can
corrode
internal
parts
of
the
brake
system
and
also
lower
the
boiling
point
of
the
fluid
dot
type
are
older
fluids
dot
and
dot
are
newer
specifications
the
principal
differences
are
in
wet
and
dry
boiling
points
the
dry
boiling
point
is
important
in
fresh
brake
fluid
but
the
wet
boiling
point
is
important
in
older
brake
fluid
dot
fluids
have
the
lowest
wet
and
dry
boiling
point
requirements
dot
fluids
have
better
boiling
point
requirements
and
dot
fluids
have
the
best
boiling
point
requirements
but
dot
fluids
are
not
clearly
superior
see
the
next
for
more
details
while
the
requirements
imply
that
dot
fluids
are
better
than
dot
fluids
there
may
be
specific
cases
where
dot
fluid
is
preferable
but
these
are
mostly
competition
applications
otherwise
dot
type
fluids
offer
much
improved
brake
pedal
feel
replacement
once
year
is
recommended
for
dot
fluids
although
agressive
drivers
may
profit
by
changing
out
fluid
more
frequently
or
at
least
bleeding
modest
amount
of
fluid
out
of
the
brake
calipers
fairly
regularly
what
about
dot
brake
fluids
this
breaks
down
in
to
two
parts
the
dot
specification
looks
excellent
for
performance
but
the
first
dot
fluids
were
silicone
based
silicone
fluids
are
tricky
proposition
unlike
dot
and
dot
fluids
they
do
not
absorb
water
at
all
while
this
may
sound
like
feature
the
problem
is
that
any
water
present
pools
up
in
such
systems
interfering
with
braking
performance
and
corroding
any
metals
at
the
spot
where
the
pooling
is
occuring
the
water
will
tend
to
migrate
downwards
in
the
braking
system
to
the
brake
calipers
where
most
of
the
corrosion
occurs
because
of
this
phenomenon
it
is
essential
when
converting
to
silicone
to
empty
the
entire
brake
system
and
flush
it
throughly
beforehand
some
even
recommend
replacing
all
rubber
parts
in
the
brake
system
when
converting
to
silicone
fluids
two
other
issues
that
come
up
with
silicone
fluids
they
are
difficult
to
pour
cleanly
that
is
without
air
bubbles
which
interferes
with
getting
good
brake
pedal
feel
and
while
they
generally
have
much
higher
boiling
points
than
dot
fluids
they
do
have
high
temperature
failure
modes
which
are
indistinguishable
in
effect
from
boiling
dot
fluids
silicone
fluids
may
make
sense
in
some
street
car
applications
but
they
are
certainly
not
recommended
for
high
performance
driving
applications
and
the
economics
are
questionable
for
street
use
have
recently
become
aware
of
new
fluids
that
meet
the
dot
standard
that
do
not
contain
silicones
these
fluids
appear
to
be
reasonably
compatible
with
the
older
dot
and
dot
fluids
but
have
little
information
at
this
time
abs
is
available
on
some
of
the
cars
looking
at
but
it
costs
more
is
it
worth
it
this
does
not
have
cut
and
dried
answer
therefore
this
answer
will
be
quite
long
in
order
to
cover
the
pros
and
cons
the
short
answer
is
that
abs
costs
more
both
initially
and
to
maintain
will
generally
work
better
for
the
average
driver
that
is
to
say
driver
who
does
not
have
extensive
experience
in
high
performance
driving
techniques
and
may
require
the
unlearning
of
some
obsolete
braking
techniques
like
pump
braking
which
should
be
unlearned
in
any
case
now
for
the
long
answer
abs
works
by
monitering
the
wheels
of
the
car
looking
for
signs
of
locked
brakes
it
may
or
may
not
be
able
be
able
to
distinguish
between
the
different
wheels
there
are
several
systems
on
the
market
it
cannot
detect
impending
lockup
which
is
what
you
would
really
want
in
an
ideal
world
but
only
the
existence
of
lockup
the
sensors
used
vary
some
of
the
less
well
designed
sensors
are
sensitive
to
tire
size
and
to
brake
pad
material
and
may
cease
to
function
properly
if
the
owner
deviates
from
original
equipment
or
oe
equivalent
components
when
the
sensors
detect
lockup
the
abs
system
responds
by
unlocking
the
brakes
either
individually
or
all
at
once
depending
on
the
system
if
the
driver
keeps
their
foot
firmly
planted
the
abs
will
end
up
cycling
between
the
locked
and
unlocked
states
if
sensor
existed
that
could
detect
impending
lockup
then
we
could
sit
right
at
that
point
which
is
where
maximum
braking
effect
is
achieved
this
pulsing
can
often
be
felt
in
the
brake
pedal
as
the
system
cycles
the
percentage
of
the
time
that
the
brakes
are
truly
engaged
is
called
the
duty
cycle
typically
in
an
abs
system
this
is
about
on
dry
pavement
trained
driver
can
beat
this
duty
cycle
quite
reliably
using
technique
called
threshold
braking
on
wet
pavement
braking
is
so
chancy
that
abs
will
outperform
threshold
braking
nearly
every
time
unfortunately
on
mud
and
on
snow
often
maximum
braking
effect
can
be
acheived
with
the
brakes
locked
only
audi
of
the
manufacturers
producing
abs
equipped
cars
has
seen
fit
to
provide
disable
switch
for
the
abs
system
for
this
eventuality
particularly
important
feature
of
abs
is
that
it
preserves
steering
control
this
is
the
case
simply
because
if
you
are
braking
near
the
limit
and
turn
the
wheel
the
abs
will
release
the
brakes
if
it
sees
steering
triggered
lockup
and
back
off
on
the
percentage
of
the
time
that
the
brakes
are
applied
braking
distances
will
lengthen
accordingly
an
important
caution
abs
cannot
exceed
the
maximum
theoretical
braking
force
in
any
given
situation
if
you
start
sliding
on
glare
ice
don
expect
an
abs
system
to
help
you
out
very
much
the
coefficient
of
friction
is
not
changed
by
the
presence
of
an
abs
system
in
your
car
as
far
as
maintenence
goes
in
addition
to
the
potential
restrictions
ve
listed
above
you
have
to
worry
about
the
following
parts
costs
are
much
higher
the
oe
master
cylinder
for
my
obscure
european
sedan
lists
for
but
the
oe
master
cylinder
for
the
abs
equipped
version
of
the
same
car
lists
for
over
most
manufacturers
explicitly
forbid
use
of
dot
silicone
brake
fluids
in
abs
equipped
vehicles
because
of
the
potential
cost
of
replacement
of
corroded
brake
system
components
regular
suggest
annual
replacement
of
brake
fluid
becomes
very
important
what
about
this
threshold
braking
business
normally
not
put
this
in
the
consumers
but
recent
publicity
about
number
of
accidents
involving
police
drivers
in
abs
equipped
chevy
caprices
suggests
that
this
section
is
needed
here
rpw
threshold
braking
is
technique
practiced
by
all
serious
high
performance
drivers
if
made
habit
it
replaces
the
stab
the
pedal
and
lock
em
up
panic
habit
entirely
and
is
much
to
be
prefered
basically
the
premise
is
that
tires
generate
maximum
braking
force
when
they
have
just
started
to
slide
but
just
before
the
wheels
lock
up
entirely
drivers
who
threshold
brake
learn
to
feel
what
this
threshold
feels
like
and
learn
to
search
for
it
and
hit
it
on
the
application
of
the
brake
pedal
in
many
cars
you
can
feel
that
you
are
near
the
threshold
when
the
pedal
starts
to
firm
up
as
you
depress
it
in
any
case
if
you
can
hear
the
tires
whine
just
bit
you
re
not
very
near
the
threshold
in
car
with
abs
often
there
is
twinge
in
the
pedal
just
before
the
system
starts
cycling
if
the
driver
backs
off
on
the
pedal
just
tad
when
the
twinge
is
felt
then
they
are
very
close
to
the
threshold
and
they
ll
probably
achieve
better
stopping
distances
than
if
they
just
punched
it
and
let
the
abs
take
over
recently
there
has
been
rash
of
publicity
over
number
of
accidents
and
one
death
involving
police
cars
equipped
with
abs
systems
the
police
departments
in
question
quickly
blamed
the
new
abs
systems
but
according
to
autoweek
magazine
it
now
seems
clear
that
the
problem
was
lack
of
training
none
of
the
involved
officers
had
any
recent
performance
driving
training
there
is
reason
to
believe
that
the
drivers
reacted
to
the
pulsing
brake
pedal
by
pump
braking
an
old
and
discredited
technique
of
stabbing
and
releasing
the
brake
pedal
the
goal
being
to
try
and
get
brakes
back
with
failing
hydraulic
system
if
you
think
about
it
for
minute
you
ll
realize
that
pump
braking
must
cut
the
effective
operation
of
working
brake
system
by
at
least
so
if
you
cut
the
duty
cycle
of
an
abs
system
by
that
much
you
are
giving
up
most
of
your
brakes
for
the
wrong
reason
threshold
braking
has
the
advantage
in
that
it
is
an
effective
and
useful
technique
regardless
of
whether
your
car
has
abs
if
you
do
fear
failed
hydraulic
system
then
one
or
two
stabs
at
the
pedal
will
be
sufficient
gas
questions
does
high
octane
gasoline
help
maybe
maybe
not
some
cars
have
knock
sensors
and
can
adjust
the
engine
timing
or
turbocharger
boost
to
suit
the
gasoline
being
used
on
most
cars
however
you
should
use
the
cheapest
gas
that
makes
your
car
run
well
check
your
owner
manual
for
details
on
what
your
car
needs
my
car
was
made
for
leaded
gasoline
will
unleaded
gas
hurt
it
it
is
possible
that
unleaded
gas
may
slightly
increase
valve
wear
although
the
amoco
oil
company
argues
otherwise
the
actual
increase
in
valve
wear
will
be
almost
unnoticeable
however
as
modern
leaded
gasolines
actually
contain
very
little
lead
you
should
however
check
your
owner
manual
many
cars
from
the
early
do
not
actually
require
leaded
gasoline
do
fuel
treatments
help
what
kind
should
use
some
do
and
some
don
during
the
winter
it
is
good
idea
to
use
dry
gas
however
some
may
be
harmful
to
fuel
injection
systems
never
use
an
additive
containing
methanol
sometimes
called
methyl
alcohol
such
additives
may
damage
fuel
systems
in
cars
with
carbs
and
almost
certainly
will
damage
cars
with
fuel
injection
manufacturer
opinions
vary
on
additives
containing
ethanol
sometimes
called
ethyl
alcohol
if
your
car
has
fuel
injection
check
the
owner
manual
on
your
car
before
using
these
most
manufacturers
consider
ethanol
acceptable
in
gasoline
additives
with
isopropyl
alcohol
isopropanol
and
petroleum
distillates
are
fine
in
fuel
injected
cars
an
occasional
bottle
of
fuel
injector
cleaner
is
helpful
in
cars
with
fuel
injectors
although
many
premium
gasolines
contain
detergents
that
do
the
same
job
some
off
brands
of
fuel
injector
cleaners
contain
ethanol
or
methanol
always
check
the
ingredients
before
putting
anything
in
your
gas
tank
there
are
small
number
of
particularly
good
additives
these
are
noticeably
more
expensive
that
the
run
of
the
mill
ones
but
work
much
much
better
among
these
are
chevron
techron
redline
sl
wurth
lubrimoly
ventil
sauber
and
bg
bottle
of
one
of
these
once
every
six
months
is
highly
recommended
what
about
detergent
gasolines
the
quality
of
detergent
packages
in
gasolines
varies
somewhat
bmw
has
instituted
testing
program
and
gasoline
brands
which
pass
this
test
may
advertise
that
fact
stickers
indicating
passage
of
the
test
are
now
beginning
to
appear
on
fuel
pumps
at
gas
stations
if
such
gasolines
are
used
then
fuel
injector
cleaners
are
probably
optional
beforewarned
that
while
use
of
bmw
approved
gasolines
will
keep
clean
engine
clean
they
may
not
clean
motor
with
bad
valve
deposits
lubrication
questions
what
do
the
numbers
and
letters
in
motor
oil
designation
mean
there
are
several
different
items
encoded
there
is
two
letter
code
indicating
the
type
of
detergent
package
that
the
manufacturer
uses
in
the
oil
this
looks
like
se
sf
cd
or
such
the
codes
are
for
gasoline
engine
applications
the
codes
are
for
diesel
engine
applications
the
second
letter
is
assigned
in
sequence
as
new
levels
of
protection
are
developed
thus
sf
is
considered
better
than
se
se
is
considered
better
than
sd
and
so
forth
the
more
noticeable
designation
is
the
oil
weight
this
is
either
single
number
weight
or
pair
of
numbers
separated
by
the
letter
w30
the
latter
type
is
much
more
commonly
used
these
days
and
are
the
only
type
that
most
automobile
manufacturers
specify
in
operators
manuals
the
first
number
in
the
designation
is
the
apparent
viscosity
of
the
oil
when
it
is
cold
the
stands
for
winter
the
second
number
is
the
viscosity
of
the
oil
when
hot
there
is
trick
here
the
oil
doesn
actually
get
thicker
turn
from
weight
to
weight
as
it
gets
hotter
what
is
actually
happening
is
that
when
the
oil
is
cold
it
has
the
viscosity
of
cold
weight
oil
as
it
gets
hotter
it
doesn
get
thin
as
fast
as
oil
would
by
the
time
it
is
up
to
temperature
it
has
the
viscosity
of
hot
weight
oil
note
that
these
numbers
actually
specify
ranges
of
viscosities
not
all
oils
have
exactly
the
same
viscosity
when
cold
and
not
all
weight
oils
have
the
same
viscosity
when
hot
note
also
that
the
novel
behaviour
of
multi
grade
oils
is
caused
by
additives
and
it
has
been
reported
that
with
the
sole
exception
of
castrol
gtx
w40
oils
do
not
retain
their
multi
grade
characteristics
well
over
time
w30
w40
and
w50
oils
work
very
well
though
are
quick
lube
places
any
good
some
do
adequate
work
but
there
are
quite
few
incompetent
ones
out
there
let
the
buyer
beware
watch
them
while
they
work
make
sure
that
they
don
overtorque
the
oil
drain
plug
and
keep
your
hand
on
your
wallet
at
all
times
are
oil
additives
like
slick
or
tufoil
any
good
slick
and
tufoil
are
ptfe
based
additives
many
of
these
have
come
onto
the
market
recently
they
are
different
from
the
moly
based
additives
that
have
been
around
since
the
early
ptfe
is
the
chemical
name
for
teflon
tm
trademark
owned
by
dupont
in
general
auto
manufacturers
do
not
recommend
use
of
these
products
most
usenet
responses
to
questions
on
these
additives
are
favorable
slight
increase
of
mpg
after
application
smoother
revving
but
long
term
results
whether
ptfe
additives
are
effective
after
miles
are
debatable
some
manufacturers
such
as
saab
claim
that
either
the
product
or
the
engine
flush
that
preceeds
application
causes
deterioration
of
the
oil
seals
and
eventual
leakage
some
bmw
owners
have
reported
death
of
valve
seals
shortly
after
the
addition
of
slick
to
their
cars
this
writer
has
been
cautioned
by
slick
dealer
that
slick
should
not
be
used
in
japanese
motors
as
it
may
clog
the
oil
return
passages
in
the
engine
otherwise
there
are
no
known
reports
of
damage
caused
by
ptfe
additives
on
the
other
hand
there
are
satified
slick
customers
in
the
world
do
synthetic
oils
really
work
yes
but
more
specifically
most
auto
manufactuers
accept
synthetics
but
disagree
with
the
extremely
long
oil
change
intervals
claimed
by
oil
manufacturers
auto
manufacturers
recommend
that
you
continue
to
change
oil
at
the
intervals
recommended
in
the
owners
manual
for
your
car
even
if
you
decide
to
try
the
longer
intervals
at
least
change
the
oil
filter
at
regular
intervals
as
synthetics
get
just
as
dirty
as
conventional
oils
synthetic
gear
lubricants
for
manual
transmissions
are
another
matter
entirely
amsoil
redline
and
agip
are
very
highly
regarded
and
very
effective
mobil
synthetic
gear
lube
gets
mixed
reviews
however
manufacturers
are
specifying
longer
and
longer
oil
change
intervals
how
often
should
change
my
oil
it
depends
on
how
you
drive
if
your
car
always
or
nearly
always
gets
warmed
up
and
you
don
drive
it
very
hard
and
keep
the
revs
down
the
manufacturer
recommendation
is
probably
fine
if
however
you
drive
it
hard
drive
it
at
high
revs
or
alternatively
if
you
only
drive
it
to
and
from
the
supermarket
so
that
it
doesn
get
up
to
temperature
then
you
may
wish
to
change
oil
much
more
often
perhaps
at
mile
intervals
given
that
most
manufacturers
are
now
specifying
mile
intervals
if
you
don
drive
your
car
much
at
all
say
miles
year
then
you
probably
want
to
change
oil
every
six
months
anyway
if
you
are
storing
car
during
the
winter
then
change
oil
before
storing
it
and
change
oil
when
you
bring
it
out
of
storage
misc
questions
my
car
has
timing
belt
hear
that
bad
things
happen
when
they
break
what
the
story
it
depends
on
the
internal
design
of
the
motor
early
ford
escorts
for
example
will
suffer
severe
valve
damage
if
the
belt
breaks
but
the
newer
cars
will
just
require
tow
and
installation
of
new
belt
some
honda
motors
will
not
be
damaged
but
others
will
be
if
no
replacement
interval
is
specified
for
your
car
then
change
the
belt
at
least
every
miles
some
cars
may
require
more
frequent
replacement
ask
your
dealer
or
independent
mechanic
also
ask
if
there
are
any
related
repairs
that
should
take
place
at
the
same
time
for
example
the
same
ford
escorts
that
suffer
valve
damage
also
have
timing
belt
driven
water
pump
which
has
been
known
to
seize
destroying
the
timing
belt
and
which
then
causes
major
valve
damage
as
side
effect
replacing
the
timing
belt
while
ignoring
the
water
pump
can
be
costly
mistake
why
would
anyone
be
stupid
enough
to
design
motor
so
that
it
self
destructs
when
the
timing
belt
breaks
for
performance
reasons
compromising
piston
design
so
that
the
valves
and
pistons
will
not
collide
requires
that
the
compression
ratio
of
the
engine
be
reduced
significantly
this
is
why
you
are
more
likely
to
avoid
valve
damage
in
economy
cars
than
in
performance
oriented
vehicles
what
causes
unintended
acceleration
the
final
report
of
the
national
highway
transportation
and
safety
administration
concluded
that
unintended
acceleration
could
not
be
caused
by
any
mechanical
failure
of
the
vehicle
in
question
and
at
the
same
time
be
consistent
with
the
physical
evidence
the
nhtsa
report
goes
on
to
conclude
that
pedal
misapplication
by
the
vehicle
operator
is
probably
the
cause
richard
welty
welty
cabot
balltown
cma
com
nothing
good
has
ever
been
reported
about
the
full
rotation
of
race
car
about
either
its
pitch
or
roll
axis
carroll
smith
xref
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unfortunately
ve
got
another
story
to
add
to
this
my
girlfriend
and
were
driving
through
west
and
got
pelted
by
rock
just
as
we
were
pulling
away
from
stoplight
the
scary
thing
was
that
the
rock
was
heavy
enough
to
put
decent
sized
dent
in
the
door
of
my
riviera
which
is
pretty
much
solid
detriot
iron
couple
of
inches
higher
and
it
would
have
gone
through
the
window
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an
interesting
product
in
ny
auto
show
and
would
like
to
hear
your
comments
militech
tm
is
yet
another
oil
additive
but
the
demonstration
of
this
product
really
impressive
if
it
didn
cheat
the
setup
of
the
demo
is
fairly
simple
cone
shaped
rotor
is
half
submerged
in
small
oil
sink
filled
with
motor
oil
the
rotor
is
powered
by
an
electronic
motor
metal
pad
is
pressed
against
the
rotor
using
the
torque
wrench
until
the
rotor
stopped
by
friction
the
torque
that
is
needed
to
stop
rotor
is
read
from
the
torque
wrench
before
militech
was
added
the
rotor
was
stopped
with
about
lb
ft
of
torque
you
pick
the
brand
of
oil
no
difference
once
militech
was
added
to
the
oil
the
rotor
could
not
be
stopped
even
with
lb
ft
of
torque
here
is
the
good
part
even
after
the
salesman
emptied
the
oil
sink
you
still
could
not
stopped
the
rotor
with
the
thin
film
remained
on
it
they
say
you
need
only
add
oz
per
quart
of
oil
every
miles
oz
bottle
is
still
have
my
doubts
if
this
product
is
really
so
great
why
it
was
so
little
known
the
salesman
said
it
is
widely
used
in
military
didn
believe
it
the
demo
was
so
impressive
that
bought
bottle
against
my
common
sense
has
anyone
heard
of
or
actually
used
this
product
is
it
real
if
you
are
going
to
the
auto
show
please
visit
this
stand
on
the
second
floor
see
if
can
find
out
if
the
demo
is
hoax
or
not
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do
work
on
internal
engine
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of
the
sho
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this
good
thing
too
at
about
miles
my
cam
sensor
went
south
different
ford
dealers
tried
or
different
fixes
none
of
which
worked
finally
took
it
down
the
street
to
the
local
mechanic
this
guy
reads
the
code
off
the
engine
computer
says
bad
cam
sensor
and
fixes
it
in
an
hour
friend
of
mine
had
some
sensors
damaged
by
flood
waters
ford
denys
any
sensors
are
registering
bad
he
and
his
father
did
the
short
circut
via
paper
clip
method
not
sure
of
the
exact
technique
and
read
the
codes
off
the
service
engine
light
flashes
generated
from
this
came
up
with
the
damaged
sensors
went
back
to
ford
and
told
them
what
was
wrong
they
fixed
the
car
after
that
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article
is
one
of
pair
of
articles
containing
commonly
asked
automotive
questions
the
other
article
contains
questions
of
general
consumer
interest
and
is
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out
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crossposting
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misc
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last
change
february
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now
permits
radar
detector
usage
new
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traction
rpw
commonly
asked
questions
radar
questions
where
are
radar
detectors
illegal
in
the
us
currently
virgina
and
the
district
of
columbia
prohibit
all
usage
of
radar
detectors
new
york
prohibits
their
use
in
large
trucks
in
canada
they
are
illegal
in
manitoba
ontario
quebec
newfoundland
and
pei
prince
edward
island
they
are
apparently
are
illegal
through
most
if
not
all
of
europe
legislation
which
would
make
them
illegal
is
pending
in
many
other
jurisdictions
chances
of
such
legislation
passing
varies
great
deal
where
are
radar
detector
detectors
used
do
they
really
work
usage
is
spreading
rapidly
initially
they
were
used
only
in
canada
but
now
they
are
appearing
in
new
york
and
virginia
it
is
unsafe
to
assume
that
they
are
not
in
use
in
connecticut
and
they
work
by
detecting
certain
frequency
radiated
by
many
currently
available
super
het
radar
detectors
some
brands
of
detector
radiate
more
strongly
than
others
and
are
thus
more
likely
to
be
spotted
new
radar
detectors
are
becoming
available
which
may
not
be
detected
by
the
current
generation
of
detector
detectors
note
that
detector
may
only
be
spotted
by
one
of
these
devices
if
it
is
turned
on
what
is
vascar
is
it
some
kind
of
radar
vascar
is
nothing
more
than
fancy
stopwatch
and
time
speed
distance
computer
it
depends
on
the
operator
pressing
buttons
as
the
target
vehicle
passes
landmarks
no
radar
signals
are
emitted
by
vascar
system
what
is
ka
band
radar
where
is
it
used
should
radar
detector
be
able
to
handle
it
ka
band
has
recently
been
made
available
by
the
fcc
for
use
in
the
us
in
so
called
photo
radar
installations
in
these
installations
low
powered
beam
is
aimed
across
the
road
at
degree
angle
to
the
direction
of
traffic
and
picture
is
taken
of
vehicles
which
the
radar
unit
determines
to
have
been
in
violation
of
the
speed
limit
tickets
are
mailed
to
the
owner
of
the
vehicle
because
of
the
low
power
and
the
degree
angle
many
people
believe
that
radar
detector
cannot
give
reasonable
warning
of
ka
band
radar
unit
although
some
manufacturers
of
radar
detectors
have
added
such
capability
anyway
the
number
of
locales
where
photo
radar
is
in
use
is
limited
and
some
question
the
legality
of
such
units
best
advice
learn
what
photo
radar
units
look
like
and
keep
track
of
where
they
are
used
or
else
don
speed
do
radar
jammers
work
are
they
legal
quick
answer
no
and
not
in
the
usa
detailed
answer
cheap
radar
jammers
do
not
work
well
at
all
jammers
that
work
are
expensive
and
usually
the
property
of
the
military
jammers
are
major
violation
of
the
regulations
of
the
federal
communications
commission
of
the
usa
driving
technique
and
vehicle
dynamics
questions
what
are
understeer
and
oversteer
understeer
and
oversteer
are
terms
describing
the
behaviour
of
car
while
cornering
near
the
limit
limit
of
adhesion
that
is
most
drivers
do
not
normally
drive
hard
enough
for
these
terms
to
be
descriptive
of
the
situations
they
encounter
simply
put
they
tell
whether
the
car
wants
to
go
straight
in
corner
steer
less
or
understeer
or
it
wants
to
turn
more
in
corner
oversteer
understeer
is
commonly
designed
into
most
production
cars
so
that
untrained
drivers
inadvertantly
traveling
too
fast
won
get
into
trouble
understeer
may
also
be
induced
by
using
too
much
throttle
in
corner
oversteer
is
designed
into
some
more
performance
oriented
cars
it
may
be
induced
by
lifting
on
the
throttle
trailing
throttle
oversteer
or
tto
in
extreme
cases
lifting
on
the
throttle
may
induce
so
much
oversteer
that
the
car
reacts
by
fishtailing
or
spinning
some
technical
details
in
corner
at
speed
the
tires
on
the
car
will
develop
what
are
called
slip
angles
the
slip
angle
is
the
angular
difference
between
the
direction
that
the
car
is
traveling
and
the
direction
that
the
steering
wheel
is
directing
the
car
to
travel
in
understeer
the
front
wheels
have
greater
slip
angle
than
the
rear
wheels
in
oversteer
the
rear
wheels
have
greater
slip
angle
than
the
front
wheels
what
is
rev
matched
downshift
when
downshifting
the
engine
must
be
rotating
faster
in
the
lower
gear
than
it
was
in
the
higher
gear
however
during
downshift
normally
you
declutch
and
lift
your
foot
from
the
throttle
so
the
revs
drop
rather
than
increase
in
rev
matched
downshift
you
blip
the
throttle
before
re
engaging
the
clutch
so
that
the
engine
will
already
be
up
to
the
new
speed
this
results
in
much
smoother
and
faster
downshift
what
does
heel
and
toe
mean
heel
and
toe
is
technique
used
to
do
rev
matched
downshift
while
braking
this
is
normally
challenging
because
you
need
the
right
foot
for
both
the
brake
and
throttle
it
is
called
heel
and
toe
because
you
use
one
end
of
the
foot
on
the
brake
and
the
other
on
the
throttle
to
match
revs
for
the
downshift
in
many
modern
cars
this
is
misnomer
often
you
must
use
the
ball
of
the
foot
on
the
brake
and
the
right
side
on
the
throttle
note
that
some
race
car
drivers
will
skip
the
clutch
and
just
use
the
left
foot
on
the
brake
and
the
right
foot
on
the
throttle
accomplishing
the
same
thing
what
is
double
clutch
downshifting
while
your
right
foot
is
doing
the
above
your
left
foot
can
do
one
of
three
things
nothing
declutch
once
or
declutch
twice
the
reason
for
declutching
twice
is
to
match
the
speeds
of
the
two
shafts
in
the
transmission
to
the
speed
of
the
engine
this
is
usually
coupled
with
rev
matching
so
that
while
the
engine
is
in
neutral
and
the
clutch
engaged
the
throttle
is
blipped
and
both
shafts
of
the
transmission
speed
up
the
procedure
is
as
follows
declutch
move
gearshift
lever
to
neutral
engage
clutch
match
revs
declutch
move
gearshift
lever
to
next
lower
gear
engage
clutch
this
sounds
like
lot
of
work
but
with
practice
it
becomes
natural
the
problem
that
double
clutching
solves
is
normally
the
function
of
the
synchronizers
within
the
gearbox
in
transmissions
without
synchros
or
with
very
worn
synchros
double
clutching
makes
it
much
easier
to
shift
basically
if
you
double
clutch
well
you
are
not
using
the
synchros
at
all
this
is
generally
unnecessary
on
street
cars
with
synchros
in
good
condition
what
do
the
numbers
for
acceleration
from
mile
skidpad
and
slalom
times
in
the
auto
magazines
really
mean
may
they
be
compared
in
short
not
as
much
as
the
magazines
want
you
to
believe
and
almost
never
in
more
detail
the
acceleration
numbers
mph
and
mile
times
in
the
us
may
be
vaguely
compared
as
long
as
they
all
come
from
the
same
source
testing
procedures
vary
so
much
from
magazine
to
magazine
that
comparing
road
track
number
to
car
driver
number
is
quite
pointless
keep
in
mind
too
that
the
same
variation
applies
from
driver
to
driver
on
the
street
the
driver
is
major
often
the
major
part
of
the
equation
skidpads
vary
and
even
if
they
didn
skidpad
figures
are
really
only
tests
of
the
stickiness
of
the
stock
tires
they
change
radically
when
tire
compounds
change
do
not
make
any
assumptions
about
the
comparative
handling
of
say
two
sports
sedans
based
on
skidpad
numbers
this
is
not
to
suggest
that
skidpads
are
without
value
however
skidpads
are
an
excellent
educational
tool
at
driving
schools
they
are
simply
of
limited
value
in
the
comparison
of
anything
except
tires
slalom
times
are
slightly
more
useful
they
test
some
small
parts
of
the
automobile
transient
response
however
they
are
also
heavily
influenced
by
the
stock
rubber
on
the
car
and
they
do
not
test
many
corners
of
the
car
envelope
they
do
not
tell
you
all
you
need
to
know
before
making
buying
decision
for
example
they
don
tell
you
what
the
rear
end
of
the
car
will
do
on
road
which
suddenly
goes
off
camber
when
car
has
an
adjustable
suspension
these
tests
are
usually
done
in
the
sport
setting
which
may
be
quite
unsuitable
for
daily
driving
the
list
of
caveats
could
go
on
for
page
after
page
my
buddy
claims
that
wide
tires
don
make
any
difference
according
to
his
freshman
physics
textbook
and
that
you
can
ever
accelerate
or
corner
at
more
than
does
he
know
what
he
talking
about
in
short
he
hasn
got
clue
in
more
detail
the
equations
for
friction
used
in
freshman
physics
textbooks
presume
that
the
surfaces
are
smooth
dry
and
non
deformable
none
of
which
properly
apply
to
tire
traction
except
in
the
case
of
stone
cold
tire
on
dry
pavement
which
is
far
below
its
proper
operating
temperature
pavement
is
never
smooth
it
is
always
irregular
to
greater
or
lesser
extent
tires
which
are
not
really
dry
and
solid
as
rubber
is
substance
which
in
its
natural
form
is
liquid
and
which
has
only
been
coerced
into
semblance
of
solidity
by
chemical
magic
deform
to
match
the
surface
of
the
pavement
which
vehicle
is
traveling
over
in
tire
at
operating
temperature
grip
is
actually
generated
by
shear
stresses
inside
the
deformed
rubber
and
not
by
anything
even
remotely
resembling
friction
in
the
freshman
physics
sense
of
the
term
the
colder
tire
is
relative
to
its
operating
temperature
the
closer
its
behaviour
will
be
to
the
traditional
concept
of
friction
if
much
hotter
than
the
its
proper
operating
temperature
the
more
likely
the
possibility
of
some
part
of
the
tire
actually
reverting
to
liquid
which
is
mostly
like
to
happen
deep
in
the
tread
causing
characteristic
blisters
and
chunking
this
latter
though
is
almost
completely
unlikely
to
happen
in
normal
street
driving
so
unless
you
re
competition
driver
or
do
lot
of
high
speed
track
driving
don
worry
about
it
because
tire
traction
is
completely
out
of
the
domain
of
simple
friction
it
does
not
obey
the
freshman
physics
equation
at
all
thus
dragsters
accelerate
at
more
than
and
race
cars
corner
and
brake
at
more
than
because
simple
friction
does
not
apply
it
is
actually
possible
for
different
sized
contact
patches
to
generate
differing
amounts
of
grip
an
actual
analysis
of
tire
behavior
would
require
techniques
such
as
finite
element
analysis
due
to
the
complexity
of
the
mechanism
misc
questions
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to
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top
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of
dumbest
automotive
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ever
dodge
colt
vista
tachometer
only
avail
with
automatic
trans
back
up
lights
on
corvette
they
re
on
the
sides
of
the
car
sure
would
be
interested
to
know
what
year
this
was
don
seem
to
recall
any
car
with
back
up
lights
on
the
sides
much
less
any
corvette
suppose
could
be
mis
interpreting
what
you
are
trying
to
say
here
just
quick
comment
backup
lights
mounted
on
the
side
would
actually
be
extremely
useful
for
people
backing
out
of
parking
stalls
regards
charles
within
the
span
of
the
last
few
weeks
have
heard
elements
of
separate
threads
which
in
that
they
have
been
conjoined
in
time
struck
together
to
form
new
chord
within
my
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lines
this
is
two
sided
problem
unfortunately
our
culture
has
been
deteriorating
over
time
the
breeding
of
these
low
life
is
getting
worse
our
justice
system
is
at
best
extremely
weak
to
handle
these
problems
that
is
why
low
abiding
citizens
should
have
the
power
to
protect
themselves
and
their
property
using
deadly
force
if
necessary
anywhere
threat
is
imminent
my
camaro
my
pride
and
joy
got
stolen
right
out
of
my
driveway
few
years
back
the
persons
that
did
that
were
eventually
caught
lucky
for
me
but
not
before
having
trashed
the
car
on
another
occasion
on
my
way
from
texas
to
florida
had
stopped
in
small
motel
for
the
night
in
small
town
somewhere
in
florida
about
youths
were
disturbing
my
car
setting
off
the
alarm
and
challenging
me
to
come
out
when
and
another
tenant
walked
out
with
magnum
and
automatic
respectively
they
vanished
needless
to
say
immediately
packed
up
and
left
watch
out
for
car
jacking
and
staged
accidents
they
can
be
deadly
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velapoldi
writes
what
the
hell
is
happening
to
this
great
country
of
ours
can
see
boyhood
pranks
of
peeing
off
of
bridges
and
such
but
pound
rocks
has
our
society
really
stooped
this
low
you
make
it
sound
like
this
behavior
is
new
it
isn
lot
of
pedestrian
bridges
have
fencing
that
curls
up
over
the
sidewalk
to
make
this
kind
of
think
lot
harder
to
do
don
understand
the
mentality
myself
but
then
again
couldn
figure
out
move
glad
they
bombed
em
or
the
waco
wackos
either
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significantly
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drew
eckhardt
writes
most
cars
have
drain
petcocks
in
the
radiators
and
ve
never
seen
nor
heard
of
vandal
opening
one
imagine
that
there
would
be
an
even
lower
risk
with
an
oil
plug
because
you
have
to
crawl
furthur
under
the
car
to
open
it
car
vandals
are
usually
real
traditional
in
their
methods
and
do
things
that
don
get
them
dirty
like
keying
your
car
dumping
sand
sugar
or
mothballs
in
the
gas
tank
tping
it
etc
usually
go
enough
places
and
you
ll
see
stuff
happen
you
didn
think
did
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charles
parr
writes
my
top
list
of
dumbest
automotive
concepts
ever
back
up
lights
on
corvette
they
re
on
the
sides
of
the
car
sure
would
be
interested
to
know
what
year
this
was
don
seem
to
recall
any
car
with
back
up
lights
on
the
sides
much
less
any
corvette
suppose
could
be
mis
interpreting
what
you
are
trying
to
say
here
just
quick
comment
backup
lights
mounted
on
the
side
would
actually
be
extremely
useful
for
people
backing
out
of
parking
stalls
while
can
think
of
any
corvettes
with
side
mounted
backup
lights
know
that
saab
started
using
them
about
years
ago
my
saab
didn
have
them
but
friend
saab
certainly
did
in
addition
to
the
confentional
tail
light
mounted
backup
lights
they
had
another
set
integrated
into
the
front
turn
signal
assembly
for
those
of
you
who
don
remember
saabs
of
that
vintage
had
an
enormous
multicoloured
plastic
growth
about
the
size
of
national
geographic
magazine
sticking
out
of
the
front
fender
which
incorporated
amber
parking
lights
amber
side
marker
lights
reflectors
white
cornering
lamps
like
american
luxury
cars
aimed
towards
the
side
of
the
road
when
you
have
your
turn
indicators
on
and
white
backup
lights
aimed
towards
the
back
of
the
car
when
you
have
selected
reverse
gear
the
glossy
brochure
showed
how
these
front
mounted
backup
lights
were
useful
for
illuminating
hazards
pot
holes
kid
toys
etc
that
would
be
run
over
by
the
front
of
the
car
if
you
had
the
wheels
turned
while
backing
up
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andrew
brandt
writes
looked
into
getting
installed
on
my
honda
crx
si
the
unit
is
plus
shipping
installation
is
like
hours
on
top
of
that
this
is
hunk
of
change
does
anyone
know
any
place
that
does
aftermarket
installation
not
with
honda
unit
but
some
third
party
unit
cannot
seem
to
find
anyone
who
can
put
third
party
unit
in
honda
am
in
no
carolina
so
would
prefer
some
place
nearby
but
any
references
would
be
handy
thx
andy
brandt
cs
unc
edu
les
bartel
comments
sorry
can
help
you
with
your
question
but
do
have
comment
to
make
concerning
aftermarket
units
have
frost
king
or
frost
temp
forget
which
aftermarket
unit
on
my
cavalier
and
am
quite
unhappy
with
it
the
fan
is
noisy
and
doesn
put
out
much
air
will
never
have
an
aftermarket
installed
in
any
of
my
vehicles
again
just
can
trust
the
quality
and
performance
after
this
experience
les
les
bartel
going
to
live
forever
let
me
add
my
in
had
installed
by
the
ford
garage
and
it
did
not
work
as
well
as
the
that
was
installed
by
the
factory
in
pickups
identical
to
mine
have
talked
to
other
people
that
have
had
the
same
result
don
know
if
this
is
just
probable
with
ford
or
what
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in
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qcaueinnmt8
axon
cs
unc
edu
andrew
brandt
writes
looked
into
getting
installed
on
my
honda
crx
si
the
unit
is
plus
shipping
installation
is
like
hours
on
top
of
that
this
is
hunk
of
change
does
anyone
know
any
place
that
does
aftermarket
installation
not
with
honda
unit
but
some
third
party
unit
cannot
seem
to
find
anyone
who
can
put
third
party
unit
in
honda
am
in
no
carolina
so
would
prefer
some
place
nearby
but
any
references
would
be
handy
thx
andy
brandt
cs
unc
edu
les
bartel
comments
sorry
can
help
you
with
your
question
but
do
have
comment
to
make
concerning
aftermarket
units
have
frost
king
or
frost
temp
forget
which
aftermarket
unit
on
my
cavalier
and
am
quite
unhappy
with
it
the
fan
is
noisy
and
doesn
put
out
much
air
will
never
have
an
aftermarket
installed
in
any
of
my
vehicles
again
just
can
trust
the
quality
and
performance
after
this
experience
les
les
bartel
going
to
live
forever
let
me
add
my
in
had
installed
by
the
ford
garage
and
it
did
not
work
as
well
as
the
that
was
installed
by
the
factory
in
pickups
identical
to
mine
have
talked
to
other
people
that
have
had
the
same
result
don
know
if
this
is
just
problem
with
ford
or
what
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smith
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been
looking
at
buying
jeep
laredo
and
was
wondering
if
anyone
had
any
bad
or
good
experiences
with
this
model
is
it
all
that
much
different
than
the
other
yjs
it
looks
feels
and
sounds
like
nice
vehicle
even
thought
the
price
is
rather
steep
for
an
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writes
in
previous
article
wade
nb
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com
wade
guthrie
says
takaharu
mail
sas
upenn
edu
taka
mizutani
writes
in
article
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progress
com
damelio
progress
com
stephen
amelio
wrote
wrote
this
is
consistent
with
the
pre
the
engine
before
that
was
litre
or
less
depending
on
how
early
you
go
and
got
its
power
at
high
revs
starting
slowly
at
about
and
jumping
up
at
around
with
narrow
band
the
was
litre
and
had
lot
of
smog
equipment
if
you
got
much
power
at
all
it
be
better
distributed
through
the
rev
range
bzzzt
wrong
answer
it
really
depends
on
whether
you
are
talking
model
year
or
date
of
manufacture
for
instance
mine
was
but
was
manufactured
in
august
of
prior
to
all
were
liter
for
the
and
model
years
they
were
liter
for
the
and
model
years
they
were
liter
except
for
the
carerra
rs
which
was
liter
the
and
later
years
were
easily
identified
by
the
new
mph
bumpers
most
models
in
the
year
were
lietsr
except
the
carerra
rsr
which
was
liter
us
carerras
from
were
liter
models
in
they
went
to
liter
and
there
was
only
single
model
the
sc
think
of
it
as
cross
between
the
and
the
carerra
models
note
all
the
above
are
based
on
model
year
not
date
of
manufacture
stand
corrected
this
is
all
from
memory
mind
you
as
for
the
rev
happy
behavior
the
earlier
cars
are
even
more
prone
to
this
the
liter
cars
used
low
compression
engines
and
suffered
bit
in
this
regard
the
early
liter
and
liter
engines
also
got
good
dose
of
smog
gear
as
well
the
and
liter
engines
were
far
and
away
the
quickest
revvers
of
the
lot
yeah
that
what
was
trying
to
say
no
really
wade
guthrie
trying
to
program
on
ms
dos
is
like
trying
wade
nb
rockwell
com
to
shave
with
chain
saw
me
be
not
speaking
for
the
rock
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erik
velapoldi
writes
this
happened
about
year
ago
on
the
washington
dc
beltway
snot
nosed
drunken
kids
decided
it
would
be
really
cool
to
throw
huge
rocks
down
on
cars
from
an
overpass
four
or
five
cars
were
hit
there
were
several
serious
injuries
and
sadly
small
girl
sitting
in
the
front
seat
of
one
of
them
was
struck
in
the
head
by
one
of
the
larger
rocks
don
recall
if
she
made
it
but
think
she
was
comatose
for
month
or
so
and
doctors
weren
holding
out
hope
that
she
live
what
the
hell
is
happening
to
this
great
country
of
ours
can
see
boyhood
pranks
of
peeing
off
of
bridges
and
such
but
pound
rocks
has
our
society
really
stooped
this
low
erik
velapold
society
as
we
have
known
it
it
coming
apart
at
the
seams
the
basic
reason
is
that
human
life
has
been
devalued
to
the
point
were
killing
someone
is
no
big
deal
kid
see
hundreds
on
murderous
acts
on
tv
we
can
abort
children
on
demand
and
kill
the
sick
and
old
at
will
so
why
be
surprised
when
some
kids
drop
lbs
rocks
and
kill
people
they
don
care
because
the
message
they
hear
is
life
is
cheap
at
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herschel
mayo
writes
so
block
the
would
be
passers
not
only
for
my
own
good
but
theirs
as
well
even
though
they
are
often
too
stupid
to
realize
it
as
rule
of
philosophy
don
feel
particularly
sorry
when
somebody
gets
offed
by
his
own
stupidity
but
it
does
worry
me
when
some
idiot
is
in
position
to
cash
in
my
chips
too
mayo
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donna
martz
writes
well
aren
we
just
mr
altruism
himself
just
what
the
world
needs
another
frustrated
self
appointed
traffic
cop
hhm
cbnewsd
cb
att
com
herschel
mayo
writes
well
if
you
want
to
stick
the
nose
of
your
car
up
the
ass
of
foot
semi
suppose
it
your
neck
however
not
going
to
let
you
kill
me
in
the
bargain
if
you
get
frustrated
by
somebody
delaying
your
inevitable
death
due
to
less
that
wise
driving
practices
then
tough
well
never
wrote
that
would
act
as
you
described
stated
that
would
not
block
would
be
passer
would
not
block
would
be
passer
for
their
own
good
or
for
any
reason
other
than
was
prevented
from
doing
so
due
to
the
traffic
circumstance
fail
to
see
how
deterring
passer
under
these
circumstance
would
in
any
way
decrease
your
chances
of
being
involved
in
an
accident
fatal
or
otherwise
in
fact
could
imagine
how
blocking
would
be
passer
would
actually
increase
your
chances
of
being
offed
or
involved
in
an
accident
especially
if
this
passer
is
riding
your
bumper
intentionally
blocking
person
riding
your
bumper
is
certainly
not
wise
driving
practice
it
only
causes
the
jam
to
become
more
congested
don
mess
with
trucks
and
actually
watch
the
road
ahead
and
the
road
behind
if
perceive
that
am
rapidly
closing
on
pack
of
vehicles
try
to
avoid
getting
caught
up
in
situation
such
as
you
decribe
usually
either
traffic
is
just
building
and
have
to
deal
with
this
fact
of
life
or
wait
to
slow
passer
to
complete
their
pass
and
make
way
for
the
pack
to
clear
if
someone
decides
then
to
pull
up
on
my
bumper
signal
my
intention
to
move
to
the
right
and
do
so
at
the
first
opportunity
hope
they
will
open
the
jam
feel
this
is
not
only
courteous
driving
but
alot
safer
than
the
actions
you
advocate
there
are
actually
many
courteous
drivers
on
the
road
who
do
not
intentionally
impede
others
if
someone
in
front
of
me
seems
to
be
oblivious
to
the
fact
that
they
are
blocking
traffic
use
my
blinker
or
flash
my
lights
or
if
all
else
fails
will
briefly
speed
up
slow
down
so
they
might
get
the
message
that
am
faster
vehicle
trying
to
pass
feel
it
is
never
safe
to
ride
anyone
bumper
if
someone
is
intentionally
blocking
traffic
because
they
feel
that
it
is
civil
duty
or
philosophic
duty
or
for
some
unfathomable
reason
feel
they
deserve
at
the
very
least
derision
sorry
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is
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jim
frost
writes
ejv2j
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erik
velapoldi
writes
what
the
hell
is
happening
to
this
great
country
of
ours
can
see
boyhood
pranks
of
peeing
off
of
bridges
and
such
but
pound
rocks
has
our
society
really
stooped
this
low
you
make
it
sound
like
this
behavior
is
new
it
isn
lot
of
pedestrian
bridges
have
fencing
that
curls
up
over
the
sidewalk
to
make
this
kind
of
think
lot
harder
to
do
don
understand
the
mentality
myself
but
then
again
couldn
figure
out
move
glad
they
bombed
em
or
the
waco
wackos
either
know
that
this
isn
the
group
for
it
but
since
you
brought
it
up
does
anyone
have
any
idea
why
they
haven
bombed
the
waco
cult
just
curious
newsgroup
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trimmed
significantly
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frost
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keys
csmes
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oo
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forever
the
fact
that
need
to
explain
it
to
you
indicates
that
you
probably
wouldn
understand
anyway
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writes
my
top
list
of
dumbest
automotive
concepts
ever
dodge
colt
vista
tachometer
only
avail
with
automatic
trans
back
up
lights
on
corvette
they
re
on
the
sides
of
the
car
sure
would
be
interested
to
know
what
year
this
was
don
seem
to
recall
any
car
with
back
up
lights
on
the
sides
much
less
any
corvette
suppose
could
be
mis
interpreting
what
you
are
trying
to
say
here
just
quick
comment
backup
lights
mounted
on
the
side
would
actually
be
extremely
useful
for
people
backing
out
of
parking
stalls
regards
charles
within
the
span
of
the
last
few
weeks
have
heard
elements
of
separate
threads
which
in
that
they
have
been
conjoined
in
time
struck
together
to
form
new
chord
within
my
hollow
and
echoing
gourd
unknown
net
person
wasn
the
original
intent
of
the
reverse
lights
for
the
driver
so
he
could
see
where
he
was
backing
up
although
reverse
lights
on
the
sides
are
useful
for
telling
whether
cars
are
backing
up
out
perpendicular
to
the
path
of
the
car
don
think
warnings
were
their
original
intents
since
they
are
colored
white
chintan
amin
the
university
of
illinois
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peart
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to
judge
quick
to
anger
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to
understand
ignorance
and
prejudice
and
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but
here
goes
yes
he
is
one
in
the
same
chevrolet
motor
div
also
his
brother
gaston
raced
at
indy
and
was
the
winner
in
have
also
seen
the
name
arthur
chevrolet
in
the
early
teens
and
on
assume
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related
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two
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inside
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even
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small
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in
the
sump
the
solution
is
simple
sort
of
like
the
advice
my
aunt
always
gave
never
scratch
your
ear
with
anything
except
your
elbow
if
you
have
pieces
of
ring
con
rods
valve
heads
or
stems
just
reach
into
the
sump
through
the
hole
in
the
block
that
was
associated
with
the
creation
of
those
large
bits
and
pieces
anything
you
can
remove
with
one
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the
hole
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the
block
may
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have
just
taken
delivery
on
new
gm
car
firebird
with
clearcoat
finish
assume
that
it
is
probably
urethane
since
the
industry
has
moved
in
that
direction
in
paints
in
years
past
it
used
to
be
recommended
that
owners
wait
up
to
days
before
you
wax
car
for
the
paint
to
cure
the
dealer
shop
manager
said
this
also
but
not
sure
that
he
wasn
just
basing
it
on
past
tradition
does
anyone
know
if
this
is
still
recommended
practice
or
is
it
better
to
go
ahead
and
wax
right
away
non
abrasive
new
car
wax
with
the
newer
finishes
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from
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or
from
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mechanical
seals
or
all
of
the
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if
some
lemons
are
out
there
but
from
personal
experience
my
brother
has
been
trouble
free
not
one
single
repair
only
regular
maintainance
the
only
work
he
had
done
on
it
was
result
of
his
stupidity
he
stopped
suddenly
in
the
middle
of
left
turn
on
busy
intersection
and
was
rear
ended
he
has
plymouth
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would
recomend
it
but
would
also
like
to
say
that
if
you
can
wait
about
six
months
chryco
is
coming
out
with
new
car
called
the
neon
that
is
built
in
the
same
way
as
the
lh
where
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any
way
to
remove
fine
scratches
in
clear
coat
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is
clear
coat
really
worth
it
yes
on
the
showroom
floor
the
cars
have
this
deep
lustrous
shine
that
just
can
be
found
on
paint
jobs
that
aren
clear
coated
on
the
other
hand
it
seems
that
every
clear
coated
car
that
ve
seen
on
the
road
in
parking
lot
etc
has
fine
scratches
throughout
the
paint
job
as
does
alas
my
laser
several
weeks
ago
had
my
car
professionally
polished
and
waxed
when
picked
it
up
it
had
that
same
showroom
shine
that
remember
from
year
ago
when
bought
it
several
days
ago
took
my
car
to
the
dealership
for
some
work
as
an
added
bonus
they
washed
my
car
unfortunately
whoever
washed
it
either
didn
get
the
roof
which
is
black
the
rest
of
the
car
is
red
completely
clean
before
he
dried
it
or
he
used
dirty
towel
now
my
showroom
shine
is
haze
of
fine
scratches
that
aren
really
visible
until
the
light
hits
the
roof
at
particular
angle
am
to
put
it
mildy
somewhat
peeved
about
this
do
have
any
chance
of
getting
the
dealership
to
do
something
about
this
my
guess
is
no
is
there
any
product
on
the
market
that
provides
solution
to
this
problem
or
am
faced
with
the
prospect
of
having
the
car
professionally
polished
again
to
hide
the
scratches
information
commiseration
and
sympathy
all
greatly
appreciated
scott
the
dealership
will
never
wash
my
car
again
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aas7
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writes
in
previous
article
v064mcqs
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adam
gandler
says
heard
chrysler
is
planning
to
design
or
is
in
the
process
of
designing
compact
sedan
line
based
on
the
lh
platform
if
these
were
as
thought
out
as
the
full
sized
sedans
and
priced
competitively
see
no
reason
why
they
could
not
give
the
imports
and
even
the
saturns
serious
challenge
oh
goody
we
now
get
to
see
saturns
sold
through
cryco
dealers
fab
why
is
it
this
hole
insist
on
remarks
like
this
really
am
growing
tired
of
this
drew
do
you
have
kill
file
for
your
newsreader
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the
name
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my
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me
about
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day
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budget
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think
would
be
the
best
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writes
wondering
if
anybody
else
out
there
is
clutchless
shifter
ve
been
doing
it
my
self
over
miles
on
my
current
toyota
truck
ve
got
over
ve
heard
people
talk
about
how
doing
this
can
damage
transmission
my
experiences
suggest
otherwise
what
techniques
do
you
use
yeah
don
use
the
clutch
all
the
time
either
ve
done
it
with
fords
bmw
datsun
and
chevy
and
it
works
fine
can
think
of
any
reason
that
it
would
damage
the
tranny
essentially
you
are
just
doing
what
the
synchros
do
anyhow
match
the
engine
speed
with
the
tranny
speed
and
slip
it
into
gear
on
some
old
pieces
of
junk
drove
the
transmission
was
so
worn
that
pumping
the
clutch
was
the
only
way
to
shift
except
clutchless
to
date
ve
driven
rabbits
datsuns
comets
fords
chevy
some
where
harder
than
others
to
shift
but
generally
the
higher
the
milage
the
smoother
quicker
easier
they
where
to
shift
my
technique
is
to
ease
back
off
the
throttle
and
at
the
same
time
gently
wrist
back
on
the
shift
lever
if
for
some
reason
miss
the
shift
window
lightly
press
the
accelerator
try
agian
ve
found
that
clutchless
shifting
is
eaiser
quicker
at
high
rpms
also
skip
gears
some
times
using
sounds
about
right
usually
slip
it
out
during
throttle
down
and
then
blip
the
throttle
and
wait
until
it
feels
like
things
are
right
usually
about
second
and
then
slip
it
into
gear
krispy
jon
you
obviously
don
know
who
you
re
dealing
with
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com
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acura
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speed
with
miles
on
it
it
is
positively
the
worst
car
have
ever
owned
had
an
prelude
that
had
miles
on
it
when
sold
it
and
it
was
still
going
strong
this
is
with
religious
attention
to
maintenance
such
as
oil
changes
etc
both
cars
were
driven
in
exactly
the
same
manner
it
has
gone
through
two
clutches
which
are
underrated
sets
of
tires
really
eats
tires
in
the
front
even
with
careful
align
all
struts
started
leaking
about
miles
windshield
wiper
motor
burned
up
service
note
on
this
one
seek
stop
working
on
radio
about
miles
two
timing
belts
constant
error
signals
from
computer
and
finally
rod
bearing
went
out
on
the
no
piston
seriously
damaging
the
crankshaft
contaminating
the
engine
etc
when
the
overhaul
was
done
last
week
it
required
new
crankshaft
one
new
cam
shaft
has
two
because
the
camshaft
shattered
when
they
tried
to
mill
it
the
camshaft
took
weeks
to
get
because
it
is
on
national
back
order
everything
on
the
engine
is
unique
to
the
year
they
went
to
new
design
in
parts
are
very
expensive
no
way
would
ever
buy
another
acura
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is
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hou
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kevin
parker
writes
like
to
get
some
feedback
on
car
with
most
bang
for
the
buck
in
the
to
price
range
looking
for
car
with
enough
civility
to
driven
every
day
or
even
on
long
trips
but
when
hit
the
gas
want
to
fe
take
look
at
taurus
sho
they
can
be
found
for
and
are
the
ultimate
in
door
sports
cars
performance
similar
to
mustang
but
quite
civil
and
comfortable
try
to
get
late
model
for
the
better
shifter
the
cutting
edge
bbs
cutting
hou
tx
us
pcboard
system
houston
texas
usa
running
uupcb
well
you
could
always
go
with
mustang
lx
with
pleasant
v8
but
the
diamond
star
cars
talon
eclipse
laser
put
out
hp
in
the
turbo
models
and
hp
in
the
awd
turbo
models
these
cars
also
have
handling
to
match
the
muscle
and
are
civil
in
regular
driving
conditions
rather
than
having
harsh
stiff
ride
the
awd
turbo
is
clearly
the
better
choice
of
the
two
because
of
all
that
torque
steer
on
the
front
drive
model
but
you
may
have
to
go
with
leftover
or
slightly
used
model
for
that
price
range
tough
decision
rob
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and
driver
did
test
with
the
same
basic
idea
and
chose
the
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andrew
klossner
wr
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can
ask
have
any
of
you
been
at
the
speed
of
it
rush
so
is
cocaine
what
your
point
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and
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frip
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klossner
wr
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can
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have
any
of
you
been
at
the
speed
of
it
rush
so
is
cocaine
what
your
point
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klossner
andrew
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dan
day
writes
in
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qeee6
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centerline
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jim
frost
rites
an
audible
alarm
is
just
an
annoyance
to
either
professional
or
amateur
nobody
listens
to
audible
alarms
anymore
the
thieves
know
this
is
why
think
there
ought
to
be
heavy
fine
on
false
alarms
really
honked
off
about
the
fact
that
due
to
all
the
cars
with
cruddy
alarms
crying
wolf
no
one
will
pay
any
attention
to
my
car
if
its
alarm
ever
goes
off
for
real
depends
on
your
area
in
the
city
nobody
thinks
about
it
but
at
mall
or
something
near
the
suburbs
people
do
at
least
glance
over
remember
an
alarm
is
only
deterent
not
prevention
if
thief
sees
two
cars
he
likes
one
has
an
alarm
and
the
other
doesn
he
obviously
going
to
skip
the
alarmed
car
and
avoid
the
hassle
there
is
way
around
every
alarm
but
at
least
you
ve
got
something
on
your
side
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male
or
female
which
net
did
you
find
my
questions
on
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other
nets
are
you
interested
in
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often
do
you
read
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post
about
suv
got
several
unsolicited
recommendations
to
check
out
the
land
cruiser
despite
its
astronomical
price
the
toyota
dealer
told
me
it
cult
car
if
car
is
good
enough
to
create
passionate
and
loyal
following
there
must
be
something
really
extraordinary
about
it
so
all
you
land
crusher
cultists
here
is
your
chance
to
convert
me
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plannig
to
trade
my
sentra
se
in
with
nx2000
my
car
has
miles
on
it
and
is
model
the
nx2000
the
dealer
is
selling
is
model
with
miles
on
it
it
has
bar
roof
and
an
airbag
which
my
sentra
does
not
have
they
are
asking
for
is
that
fair
deal
the
only
thing
noticed
about
the
nx2000
is
that
the
engine
did
not
seem
to
have
as
much
torque
as
my
sentra
which
has
the
same
identical
engine
presume
that
the
last
lady
owner
did
not
really
push
the
engine
to
it
limits
occassionaly
while
did
that
on
mine
thuis
the
nx2000
engine
is
little
tight
so
if
buy
the
nx2000
and
excercise
it
well
should
that
slight
power
problem
go
away
any
advice
on
this
will
be
much
appreciated
thanks
please
reply
via
mail
if
possible
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picture
major
at
the
brooks
institute
of
photography
ca
santa
barbara
and
foreign
student
from
kuala
lumpur
malaysia
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mind
is
the
forerunner
of
all
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erik
velapoldi
writes
this
happened
about
year
ago
on
the
washington
dc
beltway
snot
nosed
drunken
kids
decided
it
would
be
really
cool
to
throw
huge
rocks
down
on
cars
from
an
overpass
four
or
five
cars
were
hit
there
were
several
serious
injuries
and
sadly
small
girl
sitting
in
the
front
seat
of
one
of
them
was
struck
in
the
head
by
one
of
the
larger
rocks
don
recall
if
she
made
it
but
think
she
was
comatose
for
month
or
so
and
doctors
weren
holding
out
hope
that
she
live
what
the
hell
is
happening
to
this
great
country
of
ours
can
see
boyhood
pranks
of
peeing
off
of
bridges
and
such
but
pound
rocks
has
our
society
really
stooped
this
low
yes
nobody
is
watching
them
if
they
get
caught
there
is
no
punishment
at
all
in
the
old
days
such
behaviour
would
be
rewarded
with
whipping
with
good
sized
belt
and
then
taken
into
some
hospital
to
see
first
hand
what
kind
of
damage
such
accidents
cause
of
course
this
doesn
happen
any
more
that
whipping
would
probably
save
the
kid
life
by
teaching
him
some
respect
for
others
person
with
that
little
respect
would
inevitably
wind
up
dead
early
anyway
the
problem
is
creeping
gradualism
if
you
put
frog
into
hot
water
he
just
jumps
out
but
if
you
put
him
into
cold
water
and
then
ever
so
gradually
heat
it
the
frog
will
cook
this
is
what
the
entertainment
industry
and
lack
of
religious
moral
and
educational
standards
in
our
modern
north
american
society
have
done
to
us
over
the
years
now
that
we
are
about
to
be
cooked
we
may
have
woken
up
too
late
erik
velapold
society
as
we
have
known
it
it
coming
apart
at
the
seams
the
basic
reason
is
that
human
life
has
been
devalued
to
the
point
were
killing
someone
is
no
big
deal
kid
see
hundreds
on
murderous
acts
on
tv
we
can
abort
children
on
demand
and
kill
the
sick
and
old
at
will
so
why
be
surprised
when
some
kids
drop
lbs
rocks
and
kill
people
they
don
care
because
the
message
they
hear
is
life
is
cheap
and
the
education
system
and
the
religious
leaders
aren
doing
much
about
it
either
with
both
parents
working
in
this
society
where
is
the
stabilizing
influence
at
home
latchkey
children
are
everywhere
and
these
latchkey
kids
can
watch
whatever
rotten
videos
and
listen
to
whatever
violent
hate
promoting
music
and
videos
they
like
because
no
one
is
home
to
stop
it
this
day
and
age
when
there
is
about
times
more
things
to
learn
than
when
went
to
school
our
answer
to
this
increased
knowledge
is
shorter
school
hours
and
more
leisure
time
say
keep
the
kids
in
school
longer
feed
them
good
food
and
teach
them
something
and
when
they
get
home
have
parent
there
to
interact
and
monitor
them
there
is
very
old
and
now
forgotten
proverb
child
left
on
his
own
will
bring
parent
to
grief
daycare
systems
are
not
the
answer
this
is
just
shifting
the
parents
own
responsibilities
off
on
someone
else
to
whom
it
not
life
long
committment
but
rather
just
job
at
followups
should
go
to
alt
parents
teens
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these
are
my
opinions
which
should
only
make
you
read
think
and
question
they
do
not
necessarily
reflect
the
views
of
my
employer
or
fellow
workers
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seoul
mpr
ca
robert
neilson
writes
sorry
for
the
auto
content
but
that
is
why
low
abiding
citizens
should
have
the
power
to
protect
themselves
and
their
property
using
deadly
force
if
necessary
anywhere
threat
is
imminent
steve
heracleous
you
do
have
the
power
steve
you
can
do
it
why
don
you
why
don
you
go
shoot
some
kids
who
are
tossing
rocks
onto
cars
make
sure
you
do
good
job
though
don
miss
cause
like
they
have
big
rocks
and
take
it
from
me
those
kids
are
mean
this
last
comment
was
obviously
bit
cynical
but
true
statement
of
the
attitude
of
some
drivers
there
your
autos
content
would
say
what
law
abiding
not
low
abiding
as
above
talk
about
freudian
slips
citizens
have
the
right
and
responsibility
to
do
is
try
to
prevent
this
type
of
behaviour
in
children
doctor
may
have
to
use
deadly
force
against
part
of
body
like
amputating
it
when
an
infection
disease
has
gone
too
far
but
his
real
desire
would
have
been
to
prevent
the
disease
in
the
first
place
or
at
least
nip
it
in
the
bud
followups
should
go
to
alt
parents
teens
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bach
operations
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campus
fax
university
of
british
columbia
vancouver
canada
v6t
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these
are
my
opinions
which
should
only
make
you
read
think
and
question
they
do
not
necessarily
reflect
the
views
of
my
employer
or
fellow
workers
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com
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bcstec
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boeing
com
neil
williams
writes
as
long
as
we
re
on
the
subject
several
years
ago
myself
and
two
others
were
riding
in
the
front
of
toyota
pickup
heading
south
on
interstate
north
of
seattle
wa
someone
threw
rock
of
an
overpass
and
hit
our
windshield
not
by
accident
sure
it
was
impossible
to
get
up
to
the
overpass
quickly
to
see
who
did
it
we
figured
it
was
kids
reported
it
and
left
couple
of
years
ago
it
happend
again
and
killed
guy
at
my
company
he
was
in
his
mid
fourties
and
left
behind
wife
and
children
turned
out
there
was
reformatory
for
juviniles
few
blocks
away
they
caught
the
year
old
that
did
it
they
put
cover
over
the
overpass
what
else
could
they
do
don
think
ll
over
forget
this
story
neil
williams
boeing
computer
services
bellevue
wa
neil
what
did
they
do
to
the
year
old
who
they
caught
what
did
the
man
insurance
company
do
this
could
be
significant
and
in
any
case
very
interesting
followups
to
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parents
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are
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read
think
and
question
they
do
not
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views
of
my
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dcl
nxt07
michael
chaffee
writes
performance
converter
lockup
is
purely
irrelevant
the
lockup
only
occurs
at
light
throttle
settings
and
serves
only
to
improve
mpg
mind
you
converter
clutch
does
lovely
job
of
improving
mpg
but
the
additional
mechanical
advantage
of
the
converter
gives
you
more
acceleration
vs
locked
converter
clutch
than
its
inherent
losses
take
away
the
transmission
in
my
car
contradicts
both
your
assertions
get
much
stronger
acceleration
if
let
the
convertor
lockup
which
can
induce
by
briefly
lifting
off
then
quickly
but
not
too
quickly
to
trigger
kickdown
applying
throttle
above
rpms
the
convertor
will
never
unlock
it
would
kickdown
first
who
says
there
no
skill
involved
in
driving
an
automatic
think
of
it
as
the
throttle
and
shifter
combined
into
single
pedal
with
my
car
can
pretty
much
influence
its
shifting
patterns
with
my
right
foot
while
having
both
hands
to
steer
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mogate
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latium
markm
from
markm
latium
mark
monninger
subject
bimmer
vs
beamer
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id
apr18
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sps
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not
in
direct
response
to
the
referenced
article
just
to
set
the
record
straight
beamers
are
bmw
motorcycles
bmw
cars
are
bimmers
please
let
get
our
terms
straight
actually
some
purists
would
argue
that
the
only
true
bimmer
is
round
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danger
could
we
plase
cease
this
discussion
fail
to
see
why
people
feel
the
need
to
expound
upon
this
issue
for
days
and
days
on
end
these
areas
are
not
meant
for
this
type
of
discussion
if
you
feel
the
need
to
do
such
things
please
take
your
thought
elsewhere
thanks
want
only
two
things
from
this
world
plymouth
and
small
opec
nation
with
which
to
fuel
it
this
would
be
good
and
just
thing
car
smashers
can
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recently
posted
an
article
asking
what
kind
of
rates
single
male
drivers
under
yrs
old
were
paying
on
performance
cars
here
summary
of
the
replies
received
not
under
anymore
but
is
close
enough
dodge
stealth
rt
twin
turbo
hp
model
no
tickets
no
accidents
own
house
have
taken
defensive
driving
airbag
abs
security
alarm
single
year
decut
state
farm
insurance
this
includes
the
additional
for
the
umbrella
policy
over
my
car
and
house
the
base
policy
is
the
standard
policy
required
in
de
after
nd
defensive
driving
course
it
will
be
less
bought
the
car
in
september
the
company
was
with
never
had
and
accident
or
ticket
in
years
quoted
me
hope
this
helps
steve
flynn
university
of
delaware
kevin
hope
remembered
your
name
correctly
you
asked
about
insurance
for
performance
cars
well
last
year
was
in
similar
situation
before
bought
my
car
and
made
the
same
inquiry
as
you
age
then
and
now
car
eagle
talon
tsi
awd
driving
record
clean
state
illinois
cost
mos
turn
in
may
and
the
insurance
goes
down
to
mos
also
single
and
that
incurs
higher
rate
with
my
company
ve
got
couple
other
friends
awds
and
they
pay
more
than
do
different
ins
companies
also
so
maybe
just
lucky
hope
the
info
helps
dan
dans
jdc
gss
mot
com
motorola
cellular
subscriber
group
usa
cc
live
in
norman
oklahoma
drive
an
thunderbird
sc
have
never
made
claim
against
my
insurance
though
have
been
hit
several
times
by
negligent
drivers
who
couldn
see
stop
signs
or
were
fiddling
with
their
radios
and
have
had
three
moving
violations
in
the
last
months
one
for
going
in
one
for
failure
to
clear
an
intersection
still
say
the
damn
light
was
yellow
and
one
for
going
in
which
didn
go
on
my
record
my
rates
from
state
farm
with
passive
restraint
deduction
on
liability
deductible
comprehensive
and
deductible
collision
are
roughly
year
was
paying
just
over
year
for
escort
lx
james
james
callison
microcomputer
coordinator
of
oklahoma
law
center
callison
uokmax
ecn
uoknor
edu
callison
aardvark
ucs
uoknor
edu
disclaimer
not
an
engineer
but
play
one
at
work
the
forecast
calls
for
thunder
bird
sc
it
hell
of
thing
killing
man
you
take
away
all
he
has
and
all
he
ever
gonna
have
will
munny
unforgiven
am
beyond
the
under
age
group
but
have
an
experience
few
years
ago
that
might
be
interesting
to
you
owned
toyota
celica
gt
decided
to
buy
myself
gift
more
exotic
car
front
runners
included
the
toyota
supra
turbo
and
the
porsche
model
years
narrowed
it
down
to
those
two
liked
the
simplicity
and
handling
and
snob
appeal
too
of
driving
porsche
the
supra
turbo
was
less
money
and
had
more
features
and
performance
almost
personal
luxury
car
it
had
better
acceleration
and
higher
top
speed
than
the
was
almost
ready
to
give
in
to
buying
impulse
for
the
but
decided
to
stop
by
my
insurance
agent
office
on
the
way
asked
about
what
would
happen
to
my
rate
with
either
car
if
you
buy
the
supra
your
rate
classification
will
be
the
same
as
the
celica
the
celica
was
considered
subcompact
and
for
that
year
was
rated
as
one
of
the
safest
cars
with
slight
increase
because
the
car
will
be
years
newer
our
lower
risk
division
will
continue
to
handle
your
account
if
you
buy
the
porsche
we
ll
have
to
change
you
to
the
standard
higher
rate
company
and
your
rate
will
double
and
if
you
go
with
it
another
story
again
we
ll
cover
the
rest
of
this
year
but
cancel
you
after
that
but
the
supra
is
much
faster
than
the
and
the
is
actually
faster
than
the
standard
that
doens
make
sense
that
what
the
book
says
we
don
insure
corvettes
either
for
some
reason
the
underwriters
consider
supras
and
their
drivers
as
very
traditional
and
conservative
eventually
went
with
the
supra
for
number
of
reasons
the
porsche
dealer
had
nice
salesman
to
get
me
interested
but
tough
high
pressure
guy
in
the
back
room
at
equal
monthly
payments
it
would
have
taken
year
longer
to
pay
for
the
porsche
plus
its
higher
insurance
concluded
that
the
high
insurance
was
related
to
probability
of
auto
theft
everyone
entitled
to
my
opinion
goldberg
oasys
dt
navy
mil
imagination
is
more
important
than
knowledge
albert
einstein
live
in
idaho
when
was
many
years
ago
years
bought
trans
am
new
insurance
was
about
year
when
turned
it
immediately
dropped
to
year
had
not
had
any
accidents
before
or
after
this
was
strictly
an
age
change
that
same
rate
stayed
pretty
much
the
same
until
sold
the
car
years
ago
my
pickup
is
about
year
less
the
real
amazing
thing
is
that
when
woke
up
at
age
felt
so
much
more
responsible
than
was
before
wes
for
your
information
california
male
single
under
no
moving
violation
alfa
spider
year
what
bargain
let
see
single
male
clean
driving
record
have
vw
corrado
vr6
live
in
san
jose
california
pay
year
through
allstate
good
deal
if
you
ask
me
was
thinking
about
getting
talon
but
think
the
insurance
is
higher
for
turbo
sports
car
vs
v6
honda
crx
si
clean
record
in
small
new
mexico
town
was
around
per
year
age
nearby
city
rates
were
higher
than
where
ve
got
mine
insured
robert
robert
stack
institute
of
transportation
studies
univ
of
california
irvine
stack
translab
its
uci
edu
mazda
protege
lx
per
year
saturn
sc
years
old
state
new
mexico
insurance
state
farm
here
is
my
info
car
toyota
celica
st
insurance
co
farmer
insurance
yearly
insurance
age
date
of
license
oct
residence
mountain
view
california
no
moving
violations
for
now
atleast
hope
this
helps
please
post
summary
if
possible
vijay
vijay
anisetti
email
anisetti
informix
com
apt
off
single
years
old
eagle
talon
turbo
awd
full
cover
reasonable
liability
no
tickets
no
violations
no
accidents
knock
on
wood
mass
one
thing
that
makes
huge
difference
in
mass
is
the
town
you
live
in
personally
in
one
of
the
best
towns
within
reasonable
distance
of
boston
if
moved
to
the
absolute
best
it
would
go
down
to
about
if
moved
to
the
worst
it
would
be
also
one
accident
and
couple
of
tickets
would
probably
add
another
rv
have
mitsubishi
eclipse
turbo
awd
am
years
old
and
have
no
tickets
that
went
on
my
record
live
in
illinois
just
outside
of
chicago
and
pay
year
with
full
coverage
at
state
farm
did
get
small
discount
because
of
my
alarm
system
year
only
live
miles
from
chicago
but
if
actually
lived
in
the
city
the
price
would
be
about
year
over
but
in
case
you
re
interested
anyway
insuring
sho
for
month
thats
personal
total
property
with
deductible
glass
and
towing
state
farm
unless
you
are
under
or
have
been
driving
for
less
than
years
think
you
are
being
seriously
ripped
off
don
have
one
of
the
performance
cars
you
listed
but
if
your
record
is
clean
then
you
should
not
be
paying
over
did
you
try
calling
all
the
insurance
dealers
you
could
find
although
rates
are
supposed
to
be
standardized
ve
found
that
most
places
initially
call
give
me
some
ridiculously
high
quote
and
finaly
hit
one
that
is
much
lower
also
have
changed
insurance
companies
when
the
rate
went
up
at
renewal
no
accidents
tickets
car
gets
older
to
maintain
low
rate
you
always
have
to
be
careful
when
it
comes
to
insurance
companies
good
luck
serge
xref
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ca
hello
am
looking
to
slightly
increase
the
performance
of
my
honda
civic
si
was
wondering
if
anyone
could
suggest
upgrades
that
were
not
too
drastic
thought
that
one
of
the
easiest
upgrades
would
be
new
header
does
anyone
know
what
kind
of
increase
that
the
header
would
give
me
think
would
check
with
jackson
racing
for
the
part
are
there
any
other
comparines
would
make
honda
parts
are
there
any
other
small
changes
that
can
be
easily
made
and
won
screw
up
the
car
things
like
new
injectors
new
fuel
injection
chip
etc
would
welcome
any
suggestions
of
small
changes
that
would
make
difference
don
really
want
to
change
the
cam
etc
because
have
heard
that
it
would
be
much
harder
on
the
engine
mail
relpies
prefered
please
and
will
post
summary
of
all
the
replies
thanks
for
any
help
you
may
have
to
offer
jeff
smith
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from
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latest
issue
of
autoweek
the
chevy
impala
ss
will
arrive
in
dealer
showrooms
in
mid
dealers
have
already
been
notified
no
word
on
the
changes
to
be
made
for
the
production
version
my
question
to
all
of
you
is
would
you
buy
it
and
how
much
would
you
pay
for
it
aamir
qazi
qazi
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why
should
care
rather
watch
drying
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should
care
rather
watch
drying
paint
alright
gm
finally
my
wishes
have
come
true
moby
dick
with
corvette
engine
don
you
think
they
should
maybe
spend
the
money
doing
something
about
the
lousy
build
quality
design
of
their
bigger
selling
cars
this
is
another
example
of
why
gm
is
in
so
much
trouble
if
you
re
going
to
stick
the
lt
or
zr
engine
in
car
at
least
make
it
nice
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one
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auto
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was
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first
journalist
to
get
his
hands
on
the
new
yorker
if
you
like
his
impressions
of
it
his
review
appeared
in
friday
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in
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he
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just
to
set
the
record
straight
beamers
are
bmw
motorcycles
bmw
cars
are
bimmers
please
huh
though
beamers
were
ibm
employees
let
get
our
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actually
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purists
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repair
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all
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of
toyota
celicas
probably
good
for
models
as
well
like
new
condition
these
are
the
manuals
used
by
the
toyota
dealers
mechanics
they
normally
cost
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anyone
know
of
dead
first
generation
mr2
need
body
parts
steering
rack
and
few
minor
pieces
was
about
to
buy
parts
car
but
the
owner
backed
out
after
month
of
pulling
my
leg
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the
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hurdle
for
automatics
imho
is
not
shifting
speed
per
se
but
rather
the
transmission
reaction
speed
when
you
try
to
force
it
to
shift
manually
this
was
the
biggest
fault
with
the
subaru
ecvt
it
took
soooooo
lonnnnnnnnggggg
for
the
tranny
to
find
the
right
ratio
the
sales
propaganda
says
the
saturn
automatic
is
effectively
an
electronically
shifted
manual
might
this
mean
that
saturn
has
conquered
the
problem
dunno
only
driven
saturn
speeds
input
please
another
question
any
plans
for
manual
trans
chrysler
lh
does
anyone
else
out
there
fall
asleep
at
night
dreaming
of
this
combo
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chances
are
that
this
has
been
discussed
to
death
already
and
if
so
could
someone
who
has
kept
the
discussion
mail
me
or
direct
me
to
an
archive
site
basically
am
just
wondering
if
slick
really
does
all
it
says
that
it
does
and
also
is
there
any
data
to
support
the
claim
thanks
for
any
info
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the
chevrolet
brothers
were
respected
racers
test
drivers
for
the
buick
co
when
durant
was
there
when
the
directors
kicked
durant
out
of
gm
in
he
took
chevrolet
and
others
with
him
as
mentioned
before
they
founded
the
successful
chevrolet
company
little
known
fact
is
that
the
chevrolet
co
actually
took
over
gm
that
was
how
durant
got
back
in
charge
of
gm
legally
his
new
company
chevrolet
co
did
the
buying
and
gm
was
division
of
chevrolet
after
and
into
the
sloan
era
gm
shuffled
things
so
that
the
gm
board
was
superior
but
there
was
always
degree
of
autonomy
given
the
chevy
division
presumably
because
of
the
initial
structure
if
you
look
at
the
organization
chart
for
gm
in
sloan
book
chevy
division
reports
directly
to
th
floor
not
through
the
passenger
car
division
which
covers
buick
olds
cadillac
and
oakland
pontiac
jeff
hagen
minor
deity
of
worthless
auto
trivia
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world
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com
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grady
subject
re
dumbest
automotive
concepts
of
all
time
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id
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world
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in
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cellar
org
blu
cellar
org
dan
reed
writes
fact
is
just
leave
the
valet
key
in
my
glovebox
for
whenever
need
it
that
will
make
it
easy
for
car
thief
saves
him
her
the
trouble
of
popping
your
ignition
dick
grady
salem
nh
usa
grady
world
std
com
so
many
newsgroups
so
little
time
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grady
subject
re
dumbest
automotive
concepts
of
all
time
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id
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world
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in
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bhtulin
unix
amherst
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barak
tulin
writes
just
started
reading
this
thread
today
so
forgive
me
if
it
has
already
been
mentioned
but
what
was
the
deal
with
renault
putting
the
horn
on
the
left
hand
turn
signal
stalk
it
was
button
on
the
end
where
the
washer
button
would
be
on
the
wiper
washer
stalk
could
the
frenchies
not
figure
out
the
wiring
through
the
steering
wheel
or
what
ford
tried
that
also
back
in
my
ranger
pickup
had
the
horn
at
the
end
of
the
turn
signal
stalk
instead
of
in
the
center
of
the
wheel
where
god
intended
it
to
be
drove
two
different
cars
then
the
other
an
camry
and
never
did
get
used
to
pushing
the
turn
signal
stalk
to
blow
the
horn
the
only
time
got
it
right
was
when
was
getting
the
annual
state
required
safety
inspection
not
one
of
ford
better
ideas
dick
grady
salem
nh
usa
grady
world
std
com
so
many
newsgroups
so
little
time
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swrinde
network
ucsd
edu
pacbell
com
att
out
cbnewsj
hoodlum
tommy
from
tommy
boole
att
com
tommy
reingold
subject
re
where
can
get
new
york
taxi
reply
to
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boole
att
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at
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wrat
unisql
uucp
wharfie
writes
actually
you
want
checker
special
if
you
can
find
one
good
luck
sorry
let
mine
go
grew
up
in
new
york
city
so
rode
in
many
checker
cabs
the
jump
seats
were
fun
as
kid
although
the
cars
were
roomy
good
trait
for
taxi
they
had
design
flaw
that
don
understand
they
never
fixed
the
rear
passengers
tended
to
fall
out
of
their
seats
when
the
driver
braked
wouldn
want
to
take
long
ride
in
the
back
seat
of
one
of
these
vehicles
why
did
you
like
yours
never
drove
one
so
have
to
ask
tommy
reingold
at
bell
labs
holmdel
nj
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com
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att
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subject
re
seating
ergonomics
headroom
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amiller
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com
amiller
almaden
ibm
com
alex
miller
writes
my
physical
therapist
has
suggested
that
good
driving
position
for
me
is
to
have
my
back
nearly
vertical
and
for
my
knees
not
to
be
much
higher
than
my
hips
are
there
any
cars
that
are
particularly
good
in
respect
to
having
both
headroom
and
well
designed
seat
height
take
look
at
mini
vans
sat
in
dodge
caravan
which
had
high
seat
and
plenty
of
headroom
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grady
salem
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usa
grady
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std
com
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many
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little
time
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linac
att
att
out
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from
tommy
boole
att
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tommy
reingold
subject
re
improvements
in
automatic
transmissions
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to
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subaru
manual
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jeff
hagen
writes
the
biggest
hurdle
for
automatics
imho
is
not
shifting
speed
per
se
but
rather
the
transmission
reaction
speed
when
you
try
to
force
it
to
shift
manually
rented
an
oldsmobile
achieva
is
that
yuppie
name
or
what
and
nissan
stanza
they
both
had
automatics
manual
transmission
bigot
but
have
to
admit
that
the
transmissions
on
these
cars
were
better
shifters
than
am
and
yes
they
responded
very
quickly
to
kickdown
requests
the
nissan
had
tachometer
so
was
able
to
figure
out
which
gear
was
in
the
olds
may
have
also
but
don
remember
believe
it
shifted
all
the
way
down
to
second
at
about
mph
when
my
foot
told
it
no
really
want
to
accelerate
quickly
would
still
prefer
manual
but
won
delude
myself
into
thinking
that
can
out
accelerate
modern
automatic
and
very
smooth
at
shifting
but
certainly
not
as
good
as
an
automatic
tommy
reingold
at
bell
labs
holmdel
nj
tommy
boole
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com
or
att
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everyone
getting
car
in
the
near
future
ve
narrow
it
down
to
zx
and
sc300
which
might
be
better
choice
thanks
for
your
opnion
danny
hey
you
programmers
out
there
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at
the
geo
prizm
lsi
today
very
nice
anyway
had
questions
that
the
salesperson
couldn
answer
how
does
the
theft
deterrent
on
the
prizm
audio
systems
work
can
find
the
answer
in
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of
geo
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have
any
opinions
on
fairly
recent
model
alfa
spiders
reliablilty
for
what
their
class
not
talking
alfa
vs
toyota
corrola
which
is
more
relaible
as
far
as
can
discern
in
recent
years
there
are
levels
with
all
basically
the
same
mechanical
aspects
please
email
any
responses
ted
schreiber
mechanical
enginering
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university
tel
fax
email
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re
car
buying
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christ
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writes
mark
states
in
his
post
to
know
the
dealer
price
and
offer
above
my
husband
and
are
in
the
market
to
buy
our
first
car
together
and
neither
of
us
know
how
to
go
about
it
how
do
you
find
out
the
dealer
price
are
their
books
to
look
in
do
you
send
away
somewhere
for
it
several
company
publish
periodicals
or
times
year
which
list
the
sticker
prices
and
the
dealer
invoice
prices
of
all
the
cars
and
their
options
edmund
is
the
name
of
one
such
price
guide
you
can
find
these
price
guides
at
most
places
which
sell
magazines
dick
grady
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std
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jhunix
hcf
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expires
references
blue
cis
pitt
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organization
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computing
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hopkins
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baltimore
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ben
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don
know
if
you
could
call
him
rushed
but
big
ben
mcdonald
didn
much
time
at
all
in
the
minors
of
course
that
was
because
the
balls
used
in
aaa
had
seams
too
large
and
gave
mcdonald
blisters
forcing
him
to
go
on
the
dl
several
times
he
done
most
of
his
learning
here
in
the
majors
of
course
gregg
wild
thing
olson
and
mike
deserved
cy
young
mussina
didn
spend
much
time
in
the
minors
either
read
somewhere
that
pitchers
are
less
likely
to
need
that
much
time
in
the
minors
anyway
so
maybe
that
has
something
to
do
with
it
let
go
why
not
admiral
steve
still
reliving
sept
liu
admiral
steve
liu
internet
address
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jhunix
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in
chief
of
the
security
division
of
the
pi
club
earth
chapter
president
of
the
earth
chapter
of
the
pi
club
founded
april
world
champions
baltimore
orioles
why
not
series
in
the
yards
stanley
cup
champions
washington
capitals
committee
for
the
liberation
and
intergration
of
terrifying
organisms
and
their
rehabilitation
into
society
the
only
problem
is
that
the
abbreviation
is
clitoris
from
the
polymorph
episode
of
red
dwarf
the
bangles
are
the
greatest
female
rock
band
that
ever
existed
this
sig
has
been
brought
to
you
by
frungy
the
sport
of
kings
my
god
man
drilling
holes
through
his
head
is
not
the
answer
dr
mccoy
you
know
susanna
hoffs
has
really
nice
ass
comment
by
flanagan
the
pi
club
creating
the
largest
signatures
for
the
past
nine
months
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am
looking
to
buy
used
eagle
talon
or
tsi
awd
question
is
that
the
tsi
awd
was
mentioned
in
the
april
consumer
reports
to
car
to
avoid
in
particular
the
manual
transmission
electrical
system
and
brakes
were
below
par
in
both
models
friend
of
mine
ownes
tsi
awd
and
he
has
had
brake
jobs
pads
one
stuck
valve
and
some
clutch
transmission
problem
something
about
sticking
grinding
into
second
gear
this
doesn
seem
too
bad
if
one
beats
on
his
car
am
willing
to
suffer
reliability
for
speed
and
looks
seems
you
have
to
pay
big
buck
if
you
want
all
three
anyway
can
anyone
please
let
me
know
how
you
like
your
talon
and
any
problems
you
may
have
had
and
if
the
repairs
are
worth
it
thanks
for
any
responses
jay
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atom
from
atom
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com
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re
dumb
options
list
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ca
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acs
ucalgary
ca
charles
parr
writes
the
idea
here
is
to
list
pointless
options
you
know
stuff
you
get
on
car
that
has
no
earthly
use
power
windows
like
my
power
windows
think
they
re
worth
it
however
cruise
control
is
pretty
dumb
option
what
the
point
if
you
re
on
long
trip
you
floor
the
gas
and
keep
your
eyes
on
the
rear
view
mirror
for
cops
right
power
seats
are
pretty
dumb
too
unless
you
re
unlucky
enough
to
have
to
share
your
car
otherwise
you
just
adjust
it
once
and
just
leave
it
like
that
allen
tom
you
re
not
like
the
others
you
like
the
same
atom
soda
berkeley
edu
things
do
wax
paper
boiled
football
atom
netcom
com
leather
dog
breath
we
re
not
hitchhiking
anymore
we
re
riding
ren
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mu
edu
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msen
com
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destroyer
cs
ubc
ca
uw
beaver
news
washington
edu
spiff
seattleu
edu
sumax
seattleu
edu
not
for
mail
from
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wife
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if
you
hold
off
there
are
number
of
interesting
convertibles
coming
to
market
in
the
next
few
years
the
new
lebaron
will
be
based
on
the
mitsubishi
galant
which
should
be
an
improvement
over
the
current
model
the
new
pl
compact
will
have
convertible
option
also
chrysler
product
kia
makers
of
the
ford
festiva
is
planning
larger
convertible
steve
morris
internet
smorris
sumax
seattleu
edu
addiction
studies
pgm
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uw
beaver
uunet
gtenmc
dataio
sumax
smorris
seattle
university
phone
dept
or
direct
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wa
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from
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subject
re
improvements
in
automatic
transmissions
keywords
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subaru
manual
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hoodlum
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than
blir
lines
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host
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an
excellent
automatic
can
be
found
in
the
subaru
legacy
it
switches
to
sport
mode
when
the
electronics
figure
it
not
when
the
driver
sets
the
switch
which
is
the
proper
way
to
do
it
imo
so
what
does
sport
mode
entail
several
things
revving
to
red
line
or
to
the
rev
limiter
in
the
case
of
the
legacy
delayed
upshifts
if
you
lift
off
briefly
it
will
remain
in
the
low
gear
this
is
handy
if
you
are
charging
through
corners
and
would
like
to
do
without
the
distraction
of
upshifts
when
there
another
curve
approaching
part
throttle
downshifts
based
on
the
speed
at
which
the
pedal
is
depressed
rather
than
the
position
of
the
pedal
modern
electronics
can
measure
this
very
easily
and
switch
to
sport
mode
this
is
wonderful
if
you
want
to
charge
through
green
light
about
to
turn
red
my
audi
senses
this
very
well
and
can
downshift
on
as
little
as
half
throttle
if
my
right
foot
is
fast
enough
also
think
that
smart
automatic
can
deliver
better
gas
mileage
than
dumb
driver
with
stick
all
else
being
equal
remember
that
the
idea
of
stick
being
more
economical
than
an
automatic
makes
big
assumption
that
the
driver
is
smart
enough
to
know
what
gear
to
use
for
each
situation
how
many
times
have
you
ridden
with
an
inattentive
driver
cruising
on
the
highway
at
in
th
gear
of
speed
how
many
of
people
who
drive
manuals
really
know
what
the
best
gear
to
use
is
for
every
conceivable
situation
sure
there
will
be
some
who
know
but
suspect
that
chip
controlled
automatic
with
all
possible
scenario
ratio
combinations
stored
in
rom
is
likely
to
do
better
can
also
say
that
all
my
previous
assumptions
were
proved
wrong
after
got
car
with
instantaneous
mpg
readout
high
gear
low
revs
and
wide
open
throttle
is
more
economical
than
low
gear
high
revs
and
small
throttle
opening
the
explanation
is
quite
simple
if
one
sits
down
to
think
about
it
but
not
that
obvious
at
first
sight
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fajita19
cs
itc
hp
com
we
get
about
taurus
sables
for
fleet
cars
at
our
site
every
year
then
the
company
sells
them
year
later
to
employees
the
folks
know
who
drive
buy
them
have
no
complaints
the
cars
seem
to
drive
real
nice
too
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de
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muenchen
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rec
autos
you
write
if
ayrton
senna
can
drive
racecar
with
fully
automatic
transmission
it
can
be
half
bad
this
mclaren
auto
transmission
still
think
it
only
half
auto
but
you
may
be
right
has
nothing
to
do
with
your
gm
chrysler
volvo
or
whatever
auto
transmission
it
normal
manual
transmission
gearbox
with
clutch
and
all
but
there
are
servo
motors
which
do
the
shifting
that
means
there
is
no
power
loss
in
the
drivetrain
if
you
take
out
minimal
mechanical
friction
and
the
sami
auto
transmissions
ferrari
williams
mclaren
don
tell
you
when
to
shift
either
however
these
transmissions
share
an
important
disadvantage
with
your
stock
auto
trannie
they
are
expensive
as
long
as
these
servo
shifted
gearboxes
aren
available
on
normal
cars
gonna
stick
with
my
manual
just
can
see
an
advantage
to
make
up
for
two
grand
lose
in
this
deal
and
the
loss
in
mileage
and
power
except
maybe
in
real
heavy
traffic
but
then
drive
mostly
on
the
autobahn
and
country
roads
anyway
there
no
point
in
making
religion
out
of
this
just
wanted
to
point
out
few
technical
facts
and
my
own
opinion
so
there
no
need
for
flame
war
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zx
or
sc300
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server
organization
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nebraska
at
omaha
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mon
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gmt
lines
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ns1
cc
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danny
phornprapha
writes
hi
everyone
getting
car
in
the
near
future
ve
narrow
it
down
to
zx
and
sc300
which
might
be
better
choice
thanks
for
your
opnion
danny
ve
been
asking
myself
this
same
question
for
the
past
year
so
if
when
you
find
out
would
you
please
share
the
magistic
answer
with
me
the
way
see
it
right
now
work
twice
as
hard
so
you
can
have
both
cheers
issa
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halcyon
com
barking
weasel
writes
schludermann
sscvx1
ssc
gov
writes
my
technique
is
to
ease
back
off
the
throttle
and
at
the
same
time
gently
wrist
back
on
the
shift
lever
if
for
some
reason
miss
the
shift
window
lightly
press
the
accelerator
try
agian
ve
found
that
clutchless
shifting
is
eaiser
quicker
at
high
rpms
also
skip
gears
some
times
using
sounds
about
right
usually
slip
it
out
during
throttle
down
and
then
blip
the
throttle
and
wait
until
it
feels
like
things
are
right
usually
about
second
and
then
slip
it
into
gear
so
how
did
you
guys
learn
this
is
it
something
you
were
born
with
or
did
you
make
horrible
grinding
noises
the
first
few
times
how
many
times
would
think
you
have
to
have
certain
amount
of
feel
for
it
to
begin
with
some
people
would
never
get
it
and
others
like
me
would
never
have
the
guts
to
try
it
unless
maybe
you
were
planning
to
buy
new
transmission
anyway
btw
ve
heard
that
quite
few
truckers
and
race
car
drivers
shift
this
way
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time
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off
really
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hello
world
just
bought
new
stealth
two
weeks
ago
got
grad
student
rebate
someone
told
me
that
there
another
reabet
for
st
time
chrysler
buyer
true
if
yes
can
still
get
it
or
am
too
late
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cheema
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communications
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igor
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univ
new
brunswick
lines
am
currently
in
the
car
market
and
would
like
opinions
on
vw
passat
glx
how
does
it
compare
to
toyota
camry
thought
the
car
looked
very
solid
stable
and
european
only
disappointment
so
far
is
that
that
it
doesn
offer
an
airbao
my
next
question
is
why
isn
vw
offering
automobiles
with
airbags
should
pay
the
extra
three
thousand
for
bmw
is
even
though
it
is
smaller
and
less
powerful
than
than
the
passat
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danny
phornprapha
writes
have
as
my
budget
looking
for
sports
or
gt
car
what
do
you
think
would
be
the
best
buy
well
for
bit
more
you
could
get
an
mazda
rx
definitely
best
for
under
you
re
stuck
with
in
no
particular
order
chevy
camaro
z28
lt1
ponitac
firebird
firehawk
ford
mustang
cobra
toyota
mr2
turbo
gmc
typhoon
travis
path
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posting
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was
in
the
great
storm
my
mazda
mpv
was
damaged
so
bad
they
are
going
to
replace
the
top
doors
and
hood
it
is
black
so
they
will
repaint
the
entire
vehicle
estimated
cost
around
and
repair
time
approx
to
weeks
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keywords
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chris
behanna
writes
several
chemists
already
have
come
up
with
several
substitutes
for
r12
you
don
hear
about
them
because
the
mobile
air
conditioning
society
macs
that
is
the
people
who
stand
to
rake
in
that
to
per
retrofit
per
automobile
have
mounted
an
organized
campaign
to
squash
those
r12
substitutes
out
of
existence
if
not
ban
them
altogether
on
very
shaky
technical
grounds
at
best
on
outright
lies
at
worst
now
not
saying
you
re
wrong
because
know
that
the
substitutes
exist
but
this
sounds
lot
like
the
mpg
carbs
that
the
oil
companies
keep
us
all
from
getting
it
sounds
crazy
but
it
true
one
of
the
best
subsitutes
ghg
is
currently
commercial
product
unfortunately
the
sae
committee
on
mobile
air
conditioning
is
comprised
almost
exclusively
of
macs
members
such
being
the
case
no
papers
about
any
alternative
refrigerant
other
than
have
been
accepted
for
review
publication
yo
john
you
want
to
provide
some
more
details
or
should
just
repost
your
voluminous
repost
later
chris
behanna
dod
fxwg
wide
glide
jubilee
red
lady
behanna
syl
nj
nec
com
cb360t
baby
bike
disclaimer
now
why
would
nec
zx
needs
name
agree
with
any
of
this
anyway
was
raised
by
pack
of
wild
corn
dogs
we
here
are
very
interested
in
info
on
r12
substitutes
in
fact
think
we
really
need
all
the
info
on
this
we
can
get
would
really
appreciate
technical
supply
and
hardware
upgrade
details
also
r12
is
useful
solvent
reagent
in
the
extraction
production
of
certain
pharmaceuticals
any
info
on
the
substitutes
corresponding
usefullness
am
currently
working
with
the
local
engineers
who
are
making
sure
we
are
compliant
with
the
regulations
the
trouble
with
regulations
is
that
they
only
tell
you
what
you
are
no
longer
permitted
to
do
not
what
you
should
do
instead
think
the
cause
of
the
new
regulations
is
the
montreal
protocol
which
has
definite
cfc
phase
out
schedule
of
course
the
cause
of
the
montreal
protocol
was
all
the
research
done
on
the
causes
of
the
ozone
depletion
problem
someone
asked
earlier
about
why
the
governments
were
working
so
fast
to
ban
the
ozone
depleting
cfc
chemicals
and
not
gasolines
and
other
greenhouse
gas
producing
compounds
the
greenhouse
effect
produced
by
infrared
trapping
gasses
like
co2
and
methane
and
the
ozone
hole
problem
produced
by
long
lived
chlorine
containing
molecules
are
not
the
same
thing
it
is
lot
easier
to
do
something
about
not
using
the
cfc
chloro
fluorocarbons
than
it
is
to
stop
producing
co2
and
methane
which
are
natural
byproducts
of
combustion
and
of
living
animal
organisms
planting
more
trees
and
not
destroying
so
many
existing
trees
would
help
the
greenhouse
gas
problem
but
would
do
nothing
for
the
ozone
problem
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steven
morris
writes
hey
nissan
why
aren
you
guys
making
any
station
wagons
you
used
to
make
wagon
on
every
platform
sentra
stanza
maxima
and
now
none
at
all
in
fact
they
make
some
but
they
just
don
sell
them
here
in
sunny
california
is
wagon
based
on
sentra
avenil
is
wd
wd
wagon
it
looks
like
infinity
g20
but
actually
it
independently
designed
to
be
wagon
mean
it
not
based
on
any
sedans
nissan
had
better
consider
to
sell
them
here
after
buying
my
se
and
really
loving
it
would
like
to
buy
another
nissan
product
for
my
wife
but
prefer
wagon
ve
owned
minivans
and
don
prefer
them
how
about
an
altima
wagon
or
sentra
wagon
would
do
sounds
nice
but
doubt
they
have
plan
coz
avenil
was
introduced
to
replace
any
sedan
based
wagon
or
here
an
even
better
suggestion
why
don
you
guys
go
ahead
and
buy
the
rest
of
fuji
heavy
industries
subaru
and
put
either
an
in
line
or
into
the
legacy
wd
wagon
buy
the
legacy
in
minute
if
it
had
nissan
engine
instead
of
the
horizontal
that
they
seem
sentimentally
attached
to
with
all
the
camry
accord
taurus
volvo
and
subaru
wagons
out
there
it
got
to
be
market
segment
that
would
be
worthwhile
can
wait
year
or
two
but
if
you
don
have
something
to
compete
by
the
model
may
have
to
go
elsewhere
thanks
steve
morris
internet
smorris
sumax
seattleu
edu
addiction
studies
pgm
uucp
uw
beaver
uunet
gtenmc
dataio
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seattle
university
phone
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direct
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erik
velapoldi
this
happened
about
year
ago
on
the
washington
dc
beltway
snot
nosed
drunken
kids
decided
it
would
be
really
cool
to
throw
huge
rocks
down
on
cars
from
an
overpass
four
or
five
cars
were
hit
there
were
several
serious
injuries
and
sadly
small
girl
sitting
in
the
front
seat
of
one
of
them
was
struck
in
the
head
by
one
of
the
larger
rocks
don
recall
if
she
made
it
but
think
she
was
comatose
for
month
or
so
and
doctors
weren
holding
out
hope
that
she
live
what
the
hell
is
happening
to
this
great
country
of
ours
can
see
boyhood
pranks
of
peeing
off
of
bridges
and
such
but
pound
rocks
has
our
society
really
stooped
this
low
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erik
velapoldi
this
happened
about
year
ago
on
the
washington
dc
beltway
snot
nosed
drunken
kids
decided
it
would
be
really
cool
to
throw
huge
rocks
down
on
cars
from
an
overpass
four
or
five
cars
were
hit
there
were
several
serious
injuries
and
sadly
about
year
ago
some
kids
tossed
rock
off
an
overpass
on
near
eau
claire
wisconsin
and
it
killed
the
driver
below
believe
he
was
schoolteacher
from
minnesota
jason
hanson
wisconsin
ave
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university
milwaukee
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re
car
buying
story
was
christ
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monninger
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bigfoot
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com
wrote
while
not
exactly
service
incident
had
similar
experience
recently
when
bought
new
truck
had
picked
out
the
vehicle
wanted
and
after
little
haggling
we
agreed
on
price
wrote
them
check
for
the
down
payment
plus
tax
and
license
and
told
them
be
back
that
evening
to
pick
up
the
truck
when
returned
had
to
wait
about
an
hour
before
the
finance
guy
could
get
to
me
when
finally
got
in
there
everything
went
smoothly
until
he
started
adding
up
the
numbers
he
then
discovered
that
they
had
miscalculated
the
tax
license
by
about
he
then
said
he
needed
another
from
me
said
we
had
already
agreed
on
price
and
it
was
their
problem
wasn
giving
them
any
more
money
the
finance
guy
then
similar
thing
happend
to
me
year
ago
bought
used
ford
bronco
which
has
since
been
stolen
and
few
weeks
after
paid
and
took
delivery
they
sent
letter
telling
me
they
goofed
and
miscalculated
the
license
renewal
by
and
that
need
to
send
in
check
to
avoid
further
delay
in
the
processing
of
my
registration
the
thing
is
had
already
received
the
pink
slip
from
the
dmv
so
ignored
it
received
another
letter
and
then
the
phone
calls
started
coming
first
from
the
finance
guy
and
then
from
the
general
manager
both
hounding
me
for
the
extra
money
they
left
me
alone
once
told
them
already
had
the
paperwork
and
pointed
out
the
clause
in
the
contract
that
stated
that
the
final
price
was
just
that
final
afterall
they
wouldn
budge
if
had
told
them
wanted
another
off
after
the
deal
had
been
signed
right
told
them
not
to
call
again
and
that
would
not
do
business
with
them
in
the
future
they
didn
seem
to
have
problem
with
that
this
after
all
was
used
ford
at
toyota
dealership
had
much
better
experience
buying
new
pathfinder
about
month
ago
it
certainly
pays
to
buy
car
on
the
last
sunday
of
the
month
it
was
even
raining
too
so
they
had
done
very
little
business
that
weekend
and
were
really
willing
to
deal
kept
telling
them
would
think
about
it
and
they
kept
dropping
the
price
got
very
good
deal
and
so
far
have
been
very
please
with
the
service
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looking
for
recommendations
for
good
great
alfa
romeo
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in
south
jersey
or
philadelphia
or
nearby
have
alfa
spider
that
needs
some
engine
tranny
steering
work
done
the
body
is
in
quite
good
shape
the
car
is
awful
in
cold
weather
won
start
if
below
freezing
know
know
why
drive
spider
if
there
snow
on
the
ground
it
has
bosch
mechanical
fuel
injection
that
am
sure
needs
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what
to
look
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or
who
to
call
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steven
orlin
writes
take
the
electrodes
of
the
amp
ohm
volt
meter
whatever
and
connect
one
to
each
earlobe
then
symmetrically
insert
my
fingers
in
each
of
the
spark
plug
boots
no
cheating
guys
both
hands
must
be
used
have
just
couple
of
questions
about
this
technique
first
what
firing
order
should
use
do
start
with
my
pointer
finger
or
my
pinky
left
hand
or
right
and
secondly
have
cyl
and
there
are
two
cylinders
unaccounted
for
any
suggestions
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writes
while
taking
an
extended
easter
vacation
was
going
north
on
somewhere
between
centerville
tx
and
dallas
tx
and
came
upon
train
parked
on
trestle
with
its
locomotive
sitting
directly
over
the
northbound
lanes
there
appeared
to
be
movement
within
the
cab
and
out
of
curiosity
slowed
to
to
get
better
look
just
as
passed
from
underneath
the
trestle
my
radar
detector
went
into
full
alert
all
lights
lit
and
all
chirps
beeps
and
buzzes
going
strong
thought
had
been
nailed
good
but
no
police
materialized
could
this
have
been
caused
by
the
train
radio
or
what
travis
boy
travis
were
you
lucky
you
went
under
the
new
texas
rangers
stealth
patrol
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my
honda
accord
just
hit
the
magic
mile
mark
and
now
all
sorts
of
things
are
beginning
to
go
bad
the
latest
problem
am
experiencing
is
with
my
brakes
they
still
stop
the
car
fine
but
once
am
stopped
completely
my
brake
pedal
will
sink
another
or
inches
all
by
itself
if
feels
really
strange
and
am
worried
my
brakes
will
quit
working
one
of
these
days
checked
my
brake
fluid
and
the
reservoir
was
full
but
the
fluid
itself
looked
really
dirty
like
dirty
oil
called
my
mechanic
and
he
told
me
need
new
brake
master
cylinder
which
will
cost
me
whopping
was
just
wondering
if
anyone
out
there
has
experienced
this
sort
of
thing
if
so
is
my
mechanic
being
honest
or
do
simply
need
to
have
my
brakes
bled
and
new
fluid
put
in
any
help
you
could
provide
would
be
appreciated
please
send
replies
directly
to
me
as
rarely
have
chance
to
read
this
list
will
post
the
responses
if
there
is
any
interest
thanks
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have
the
eurowiper
boots
in
white
and
had
to
throw
away
the
first
pair
since
found
no
way
of
cleaning
them
after
they
looked
almost
black
now
have
my
second
pair
of
white
ones
and
once
again
they
are
dirty
need
way
to
clean
them
removing
them
since
had
to
cut
them
to
remove
them
is
there
way
or
should
just
buy
black
ones
thanks
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it
not
black
white
thing
it
homosapian
thing
it
takes
big
man
to
cry
and
an
even
bigger
man
to
laugh
at
that
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with
the
popularity
of
minivans
the
market
room
for
station
wagons
is
squeezed
out
they
are
not
as
comfortable
as
sedan
and
don
carry
as
much
as
the
minivans
this
is
not
to
say
nobody
wants
the
wagon
anymore
but
the
demand
is
certainly
hampered
by
the
minivan
and
may
not
be
economical
to
build
product
for
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hei
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writes
after
too
many
years
of
school
finally
graduating
and
getting
real
job
of
course
am
trying
to
make
plans
of
how
to
spend
all
this
extra
money
right
now
have
an
accord
good
car
but
not
real
sporty
was
thinking
of
selling
it
in
about
two
years
and
dropping
around
on
sports
car
of
some
kind
after
thinking
about
it
may
have
better
idea
ll
keep
the
accord
until
it
drops
and
buy
the
car
ve
always
wanted
corvette
stingray
my
reasoning
is
that
accord
corvette
is
less
than
what
would
spend
anyway
basically
thinking
of
late
early
for
around
my
question
is
what
are
good
years
to
consider
for
reliability
looks
horsepower
in
that
order
believe
it
or
not
horsepower
is
not
main
concern
if
want
to
go
fast
get
on
my
motorcycle
and
what
are
good
prices
also
what
would
insurance
look
like
male
single
might
wait
until
to
get
the
car
lower
insurance
would
the
fact
that
mainly
drive
the
other
car
lower
it
is
there
some
type
of
classic
car
or
rarely
driven
insurance
class
for
driving
it
under
miles
per
year
my
dad
has
vette
and
its
on
what
you
say
classic
insurance
basically
what
that
means
is
that
it
has
restricted
amount
of
driving
time
which
basically
means
it
cant
be
used
as
an
every
day
car
and
would
probably
suit
your
needs
for
limited
mileage
in
my
area
denver
if
you
look
around
alittle
you
can
get
an
for
or
less
not
much
less
you
said
your
not
looking
to
go
fast
they
are
really
nice
car
just
not
real
powerful
in
addition
to
restricted
mileage
many
classic
insurance
carriers
also
require
that
the
vehicle
be
garaged
when
not
in
use
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that
not
the
clutch
you
re
hearing
its
the
gearbox
early
shos
have
lot
of
what
is
referred
to
as
gear
rollover
noise
you
can
generally
have
one
of
the
first
shos
built
and
mine
doesn
make
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noise
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jim
frost
writes
it
bit
hard
to
prove
point
like
this
but
can
compare
the
was
hoping
for
something
like
the
chassis
exhibits
degrees
of
flex
when
subjected
to
forces
of
more
than
units
forces
of
more
than
units
begin
to
manifest
at
miles
per
hour
not
well
gee
it
wasn
designed
to
go
fast
because
uhh
well
gee
it
wasn
designed
to
go
fast
it
not
porsche
you
know
come
with
better
seatbelts
more
supportive
seats
stronger
passenger
compartment
cage
better
brakes
stiffer
suspension
different
tires